Documentary on industry sexism fully funded

"GTFO: A Film About Women In Gaming" reaches $20,000 funding target on Kickstarter; four days remain for extra funds.

The documentary about sexism in games--GTFO: A Film About Women In Gaming--has reached its $20,000 funding target through Kickstarter. At press time, funding stands at $23,381 from 853 backers. Funding closes May 10.

"Thanks to all the generous backers out there, we were fully funded as of last night! Thank you to everyone who pledged and spread the word! From $1 to $500, all of you made a difference," New York City-based filmmaker Shannon Sun-Higginson said in a statement. "I'm excited to get this project really going."

The purpose of the film, Sun-Higginson explained last month, is to bring to light the "harassment of women in video games." It will reveal the experiences of women in the gaming industry "both good and bad," and also to lay out steps that can be taken to "change the environment for the better."

GTFO: A Film About Women In Gaming will feature interviews with gamers, bloggers, scholars, developers, and "experts." The movie is expected to launch by March 2014.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

Discussion

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lcrava
lcrava

Wow. This is exactly why we can't trust anything that comes from someone that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die.

lcrava
lcrava

They should take their own advice, stop playing online and GTFO the gaming industry.

davehunt8
davehunt8

The amount of hatred, anger, and sexist comments coming from this article alone justifies the need for this kind of documentary, and the need for more dialogue on this topic.

Ever since the disgusting display from the male gaming community in the Anita Sarkeesian campaign, it's become more and more evident how deep of a problem this actually is.

The inability to recognize gender issues in gaming shows the lack of maturity of the vast majority of the gaming community.

Grow up boys and stop getting so damn angry every time this topic comes up. To intelligent people it shows how unbelievably ignorant and unintelligent you are.

PCsama
PCsama

can't wait to see this film  :)

Orkk
Orkk

Please, for the love of god, no. No. NO. I will deal with this by being as apathetic as humanly possible.

Biggs613
Biggs613

In other news, my documentary "Rage: How The Angry Cat became so damn angry..." has reached it's kickstarter goal of $5, it should be released whenever I feel like uploading it to the interwebs.

lcrava
lcrava

All you Feminazis talk about is "EQUALITY" and how you should be treated the same as men. Let's see how long it would take you to run back and embrace the differences between men and women after you get punched in the mouth by a dude. Even if you hit him back you will want to be treated differently, GUARANTEED! You will hurt, he will laugh. 

tizmond
tizmond

$23000. For MORE of this biased, feminist crap. Really ?!  Do we really need another man-bashing, male-gamer stereotyping "documentary" ?!?!  I'd much rather see that kind of money go to a worthwhile charity.  Online Trolls will be Trolls, regardless of gender, race etc. The sooner women realise this and grow thicker skin, like the rest of us, then we can all move on and spend money like this on a charity that actually DESERVES it.  I'm all for more women playing video games, but if you're going to bitch every time someone is nasty to you online, either toughen up, learn to use the "Mute" button, or YOU GTFO.

DarthLod
DarthLod

And what about a film about the Men of Gaming? I thought it was all; about equality?

Guest1001
Guest1001

... You're kidding me. This actually exists.

So what can we expect? A two-hour love letter to Anita Sarkeesian with equally-biased examples of sexism and refusal to reach the route of the problems in the gaming industry (e.g. - saying "women are paid less" without investigating why)? Or can we expect an impartial viewpoint, with fair commentary from women like Gabrielle Toledano, Christine Phelan and Janette Goering, who acknowledge the mistakes made by the "teh gaming industry is sexist" crowd, as well as the progress that needs to happen?

Salanderr
Salanderr

I love how easy it is to spot all the guys in this comment box who never have, and never will have a girlfriend. Anyone with an embarrassingly bad "sandwich" joke (shockingly a lot of them). I almost feel sorry for them. I guess they really will be making their own sandwiches their whole life. 

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

Feminism in the title == 400+ comments guaranteed.

You're enjoying this aren't you Eddie? Bet you get some sweet pay for this.

FlyingAce1016
FlyingAce1016

Feminism in the since that people should be treated like people equally is good , but the stereotypical "anti male feminism" is just as bad as a guy being sexist basically most feminist are the exact thing which they are trying to defeat: sexism

Guest1001
Guest1001

@davehunt8 Dave, please don't buy into the idea that the only people opposing this are male. There's been criticism from women of Anita Sarkeesian and other gaming-based gender issues movements like #1ReasonWhy. To assume that the only reason people could possibly oppose these movements is because they're male and immature is preposterous and, unfortunately, it's the attitude that gaming sites seem to take too.

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe we take issue with the arguments being raised by people making the claims that the gaming industry is sexist? I myself have been a victim of online abuse while playing multiplayer games so how is it fair that only insults against women are being stamped out? In my teens, I had of body image issues because of the unrealistic standards of beauty seen in bishounen heroes like those in the Final Fantasy series. Why aren't they discussed when gaming journalists talk about objectification? And Anita Sarkeesian has so many biased and cherry-picked examples that I'm amazed any gaming sites give her the time of day but that's the power feminism has; the fear of being labelled "anti-woman" overrides logical arguments and journalistic integrity.

Dave, the only ignorance here is being expressed by you. Much like Anita Sarkeesian herself, you're ignoring actual criticism and labelling anyone who disagrees as "sexist". We're coming up on the one-year anniversary of the beginning of Anita's Kickstarter and in all that time, she hasn't answered a single criticism against her. Definitely not the kind of person I'd bring up if I wanted gender issues to be taken seriously.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@Orkk Apathy is the reason this is a discussion in the first place.

arc_salvo
arc_salvo

@Biggs613 Damn, good luck with that man.  That cat of yours sounds like REALLY angry.  I'd hate to see what stuff it scratched up when it got that mad.  Cats are all with the scratching, even when they're not that mad.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava Did you honestly just reply by labelling them "feminazis" and then talk about how you want to punch them in the mouth? You're pretty much the posterboy for "dumbass sexist male gamers" aren't you? You do realize its your stupidity which is why this is an issue to begin with? Probably not, you don't seem smart enough to comprehend a complex issue like this.

darthdandelion
darthdandelion

@lcrava Being punched in the mouth by a dude is part of the reason many feminists (you spelled it wrong by the way ;) want equality. Just look up information on domestic abuse.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@tizmond It has nothing to do with online trolls and everything to do with attitudes like you are displaying right now. The beauty of Kickstarter is people that give a shit funding it, what do you care if its not your money?

srlandauer
srlandauer

Who or what is stopping you from making said film? If you have valid concerns that need to come to light, then you should voice your concerns. Just because this documentary focuses on women doesn't mean it's claiming men don't face any problems.

tizmond
tizmond

@Guest1001 Couldn't have put it any better. I get the horrible feeling it's going to be another "Sarkeesian" affair filled with male-gamer stereotyping and anti-male sentiment galore.

srlandauer
srlandauer

If you're under the impression that the majority of feminists are anti-male, you're severely misinformed. Feminism fights for equality. That's it. Saying most feminists are or the majority of feminism is anti-male is like saying most Christians are or Christianity is represented by the Westboro Baptist "Church."

davehunt8
davehunt8

@Guest1001 I thank you for actually posting a decent argument for the other side, unlike so many others here.

I'm sure there are plenty of females opposing it as well, but it's a safe assumption that the majority are male. Many of them, unlike yourself, do not offer rational discussion on the issue, instead resorting to sexist remarks and ignorant statements. I am simply calling them out as I see them. 

Having said that, the debate here is not whether or not the content of video games are sexist. I would agree that there are just as many male troupes in games as there are female troupes. I'm also not arguing that only women are harassed in online gaming. I have been harassed in online games many times before.

I only mentioned Anita Sarkeesian because of the disturbing way that the gaming community backlashed against her - an entirely inappropriate and borderline psychopathic response. I did not say I agree with her views.

The issue I see is the way that women are targeted in their harassment, which is frequently that of sexual harassment. I am not trying to say other groups are not targeted in specific ways as well - racism and homophobia are just as rampant in gaming culture. But this doesn't make it right, and I reject the notion that we should all just "accept" this culture. Female harassment is only one aspect of harassment that occurs, but is nevertheless important and something that we should be trying to address as a greater community, just as much as racism and homophobia. 

Expressing apathy to these issues will never change the twisted and sometimes sick culture surrounding gaming, which results in the continuous seclusion of basically any minority groups that aren't a member of the dominant white, straight, male group (from which I also belong). 

Why are we sticking up for people who spread hate and exclusion in our games? What do we achieve by doing that? Why don't we want to strive for a community like that of any other community, where minorities can feel included and not be constantly reminded of their gender, race, or sexual orientation?

lcrava
lcrava

Obviously you don't know how to read properly. I strongly suggest you learn to do that before joining a discussion and not look like a dumbass. You must be another poster kid from "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND". There is nothing "COMPLEX" about this BS documentary. Everyone gets harassed online. Women are the only ones to victimize themselves about it.You can mute or not play.

lcrava
lcrava

Couldn't care less about what you think of me or this issues that are anything but important or serious. Maybe you would like to take a crack at the issues I raised about feminism that are actually serious, instead of spewing your self righteous feminist BS. Just one more thing for you to think about, the Nazis tried to impose their will on everyone else, much like the feminists do, all that differs is their method. At least I rather someone be honest in their fight for anything, instead of resorting to manipilation, emotional blackmail and half truths. I'm not trying to impose my will on anyone and I am definately not making up problems where they don't exist.

lcrava
lcrava

It's spelling is aligned with the reality. As it stands today, women have special protections under the law and have zero interest in giving up the special treatment they receive in lieu of true equality. They only want equality when it equates to them getting more money (for less work in the case of sports) or it aligns to their personal interest. Never seen of heard of the so called "Feminists" fighting for equal rights when it comes to abuse and rape (they clearly have more rights than men in this area) as well as fighting for equal pay in the fashion industry for example (they make a lot more than men in that industry for the exact same jobs) as their are content with the status quo and it is not on their interest to give up such advantages in the name of equality. Regarding the subject at hand, they are not the only group suffering abuse online, as abuse also happen in the basis of age, sex, race, etc... Yet, somehow, they manage to single themselves out as victims and whine and bitch until the industry changes to accommodate them. Total BS. If you can't handle the industry, change yourself or find another hobby/job. God forbid make a Documentary about the real abuse women suffer in Africa and the Middle East. Just a bunch of spoiled brats that believe the world should change to accommodate them.

FlyingAce1016
FlyingAce1016

@srlandauer  Lol good point.. I wasn't stating that's what the majority is- but what people BELIEVE the majority is and Im saying its sad..... also nice one about Westboro.... those people are some scary stuff

lcrava
lcrava

Don't talk shit about my wife. She has double your IQ, is not insecure about her gender and is definitely not on welfare. Just keep your misery to yourself, and as suggested, find another way to spend your welfare money.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava Your wife married you, which is not a great endorsement of her intelligence. Keep your sexist, twisted definition of a "true woman" to the two of you, because it's bullshit.

I love the gaming community, what I don't love is having to listen to uninformed, uneducated, and arrogant little boys like yourself spewing garbage all over the potential for intelligent and rational discussion.

lcrava
lcrava

White male?!? Maybe before your transgender surgery. Regardless of your sex, you and women like you are morons. That's what my wife, who is a real woman who embraces the differences nature intended between the sexes, is saying. She also said it figures, since no real woman would act like you. Don't like the gaming community, find another way to spend your welfare money.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava I didn't answer your questions because the questions you asked are biased and prove how ignorant you are. The fact that you're old enough to have a wife is beyond me, I honestly thought I was arguing with a 15 year old.

There is a serious problem with the overall culture of gaming men, and all you have succeeded in doing is to prove that point, so thank you for your "arguments" and "facts".

Just for the record, I'm a straight white man - sick of letting assholes like you make the gaming community out to be a group of immature little boys.

lcrava
lcrava

You haven't answered any of the questions. Get statistics and stop distorting the facts. Just so you know, UFC base their pay on the revenue the fighters create, regardless of sex. Just to be very clear, I love my wife who incidentally believes you and women like you to be complete retards. You're a waste of time.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava Why did you chose modelling as your example, because that is a "woman's" job? That is an example where demand equals income, like your UFC example.

Try people employed in the very video game industry you defend:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/04/04/game-industry-gender-wage-gap-is-horrendous/

Do you honestly think a male programmer is better than a female programmer? Designers? Business development?

I still don't even understand what point you are trying to make with your rape argument. Guess what - men are responsible for nearly all rapes, and they rape women, men, boys, and girls. You feel the need to blame rape victims instead of the rapists, showing your true colours.

I'm completely blown away by your blantant sexism 

"Wow. This is exactly why we can't trust anything that comes from someone that bleeds for 5 days and doesn't die."

"They should take their own advice, stop playing online and GTFO the gaming industry."

You should get the fuck out of the gaming industry, because you are the one making the intelligent gamer men look like stupid immature little boys.

lcrava
lcrava

Tell you what, do some research and answer these questions:

How many women are in jail today or have been arrested for rape?

How many men have been released from jail after being wrongfully accused of rape?

How much money does the top female model in the world make?

How much money does the top male model in the world make?

There are several other questions but these should be sufficient for you to grasp the concept and get some cold hard facts. I will not reply to you until you answer this questions and bring some facts in your conversation.

lcrava
lcrava

Quite honestly, you wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you in the face. You are not worth me repeating myself and reposting the links. As soon as someone exposes the truth about your group you go on a rampage. It's a waste of time using logic and facts with you when you delude yourself and base your opinions in fantasies and distort mine to victimize yourself. Cry me a river.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava "GTFO: A Film About Women In Gaming" - yes that title really explains everything... don't try to justify your ignorance. 

Please indulge me where the "facts" are in any of your arguments, it will be very entertaining. All I see is victim blaming, and then trying to make men out to be the victim... which is what is truly pathetic about your posts.

The only real "fact" here is that you're unbelievably closed minded, unwilling to even consider the documentary just because of its general topic and title. It's strange that you can't even see how stupid that is.

lcrava
lcrava

Have you read the title of the documentary you moron?!? Obviously not. There's no need to watch it to know what it is about. Unlike you, I've put plenty of facts in my posts. You wouldn't recognize that since like most women, regardless of your sex, take opinions and feelings as facts. Go burn your bra and cry in the bathroom.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava You're blind to the sheer quantity of assumptions you are making with your statements. You are assuming this documentary is going to make an unfair, biased approach to things. The whole fucking point of a documentary is to study something in detail and report the findings. 

The fact that you're immediately unwilling to consider anything in a documentary just because its about gender issues shows how ignorant and closed minded you are.

You are the problem

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava Just because there are some feminists that twist the meaning of feminism into something ugly, anti-male, and hateful doesn't mean that is what feminism is about. Don't paint everyone with the same brush just because a few people are too stupid to understand the true point. 

There are far more men who are anti-women than the other way around, does that mean all men are sexist pigs? No it doesn't. The civil rights movement had plenty of individuals who wanted nothing more than to kill white men as retribution.  Does that mean the civil rights movement was about  black rights over white rights instead of equality? No it doesn't.

Try approaching the topic from a less generalized perspective and stop feeling like you need to raise your defences every time a female tries to raise issues in gender equality. By being apathetic to issues of female harassment, all you are doing is perpetuating the problem - and the problem will never go away no matter how often you  blame actual victims and then try to victimize yourself.

lcrava
lcrava

Firstly, I presented facts, not theories, ideas or feelings like feminists often do. Secondly, civil rights has always been about true equality through the law, which, as I proved in my previous posts the feminist movement has no interest on. Nazis imposed their will with mo regard for equality, much like the feminists. The sole dofference being the methods. Both groups (feminists and nazis) hold themselves above society and believe they have more rights than the rest of the population. They automatically exclude themselves (Have you not read the title of the documentary?!? We don't even need to watch it to know its garbage). Most males see this Documentary for what it is: more feminist crap, regardless of their color. Also, males are not a protected category by the law.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava You're comparing feminists to the nazis because they "impose their will" on others? Read a history book, would you compare the civil rights movements to the nazis as well? They were trying to "impose their will" as you put it, that makes them wrong? 

Do you honestly think that white privileged men don't "impose their will" on anyone? Every time a feminist issue comes up in gaming the white male population freaks the fuck out and instead of having an intelligent conversation about the problems, it decays into sandwich jokes, comments and threats about rape, and the dumb-as-fuck label "feminazis" being tossed around every other sentence. To anyone with a hint of intelligence it shows how close minded and arrogant gamers are, and I'm sick of being associated with stupid shitheads like you.

There's enough female harassment in this thread, and in the Anita Sarkeesian campaign alone to justify the need for a documentary on female harassment. Do us all a favour and keep your uninformed ignorant opinions to yourself. 

lcrava
lcrava

You are a moron. That's a fact.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava You have yet to point out a single "fact" that you have brought to the discussion.

lcrava
lcrava

Another useless post without a single fact in it. Just opinions about someone you know nothing about. I'm very open to facts and statistics. Unfortunately, you didn't present any. Everyone gets verbally abused online, that is a fact. That is the reason why I stopped playing games online in the first place. Another fact is that of all the people that gets abused, including abuse because of race, religious inclination, etc..., only women victimized themselves and saw this as another opportunity to make some cash out of being professional victims.

srlandauer
srlandauer

Be completely honest here: Even if you saw facts that proved your views to be misled and based on fantasies of your own, would you pay them any attention? You're obviously not planning on paying attention to this documentary, because you assume it won't have any facts. But that's the point of documentaries--presenting facts and opinions to give a balanced view. Anyone presenting you with facts would only be wasting their time because you refuse to see anything beyond your own opinions, which have become facts to you. Without a willingness to see other points of view without viciously attacking those who differ from yourself, we're stuck in a circle of stagnation.

davehunt8
davehunt8

@lcrava And your posts are just full to the brim with facts? It's sad that you actually think that your grossly misinformed opinions are facts for some reason. Let's quote a few of your "facts"

"Once again never heard or seen feminists fight for equality in that industry."

Because you're the expert on the topic right? Because YOU have never seen or heard it means it doesn't exist? Maybe you are the problem, being as closed minded as you are - blocking out anything that doesn't fit your twisted definition of what feminism is.

"Amazingly, you will not find a single case of a man raped by a woman."

I'm really not sure what argument you're trying to make with this statement as it seems to counter your own arguements, but again it is a statement based on no actual facts.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/04/07/toronto-sexual-assault-four-female-suspects.html

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault/male-sexual-assault

"Lets not forget that women, the master manipulators they are, sometimes abuse this fact by crying rape when there is none"

It's becoming more and more evident to me that you just simply hate women for whatever reason, and make up broad statements about women in general to justify your hatred. Again you have no facts, just broad misinformed opinions. Yes there are cases of false rape claims, does that mean that we should ignore the vast majority of rape claims that are true? What a disgusting statement to make.

You have given no facts in any of your arguments while acting completely self righteous that your ignorant, biggot opinions are actually "facts". This is the last comment I'll make to you because you're obviously far too uneducated to even be worth my time debating with. 

If you stopped sharing your sexist, hateful opinions with the rest of the world, maybe documentaries like this wouldn't need to be made. As long as you and your so called "facts" keep showing their ugly faces in these discussions, they won't go away. Better get used to it.

lcrava
lcrava

As usual not a single fact in your post. You need facts and statistics to build an opinion that's not based on fantasy. That's what your feminism is. A fantasy. Reality is much different and based on the facts I exposed. You don't like it, because it uncovers the ugly truth about your group. Without facts, opinions and thus debates based on said opinions are useless, much like your post.

srlandauer
srlandauer

I always try to take debates and opinions seriously, but you clearly are misinformed and uneducated in terms of what feminism is and who feminists are. You've made up your mind based on vocal minorities that warp the meaning and goals of feminism. True feminism is about equality, and is against patriarchy, which happens to harm both men and women, young and old, people of any race and ethnicity in any part of the world. Progress gets stunted because people like you generalize and label every feminist attempt at bringing issues to light as something malicious and unfounded. Please make sure you are informed about the facts of the movement you are attacking before posting comments that make you look angry and ignorant.

lcrava
lcrava

This is exactly why I do not like feminism. It goes overboard like affirmative action and feminists ignore facts and examples like you did. Before putting links up for pro feminist articles, please explain the questions I raised as to feminist who believe in "true" equality never campaigned to raise awareness about the fact that the authorities and the law protects them in case of rape, domestic violence, sexual harassment, etc... Men are victim of said crimes too, but the authorities wont take them seriously if a woman is the perpetrator. You can't be naive to the point of believing if a man says a woman drugged and raped him the police and the justice system will treat it the same as a woman making the same accusations against a man. You would be even more naive if you tell me none of this crimes ever happen. Lets not forget that women, the master manipulators they are, sometimes abuse this fact by crying rape when there is none (http://www.google.com/search?q=man%20arrested%20for%20rape%20he%20didn't%20commit) . Several of this people spent years in jail for a crime they didn't commit. Amazingly, you will not find a single case of a man raped by a woman. I've never heard or seen feminists fighting for this men's rights which would be true equality. As I mentioned previously, women make a lot more money than men in female dominated industries as in fashion (http://www.forbes.com/2008/05/05/fashion-modeling-magazines-biz-media-cz_ls_0506malemodels.html). Once again never heard or seen feminists fight for equality in that industry. To make matters worse, women "force" their way into industries where they do not belong, as for example the UFC. A Female only event was not financially feasible due to lack of interest and cost vs revenue from attendance, so the feminists force their way into a men's event piggy backing on their success, trying to base their pay on what men in that industry make. That is totally wrong, their pay should be based on their ability to create revenue (which incidentally is exactly how men's pay is determined). They are also trying to force their way into the NFL, since for obvious reasons they cannot have their own league. If that ever happened, the NFL would be ruined. Same with the gaming industry. Is a male oriented industry, and you are trying to change it to be agreeable to a group that is not a majority. We don't try to change the fashion industry or the interior design industry that are female oriented, so obviously there is NO EQUALITY and FEMINISTS, above all else, DON'T WANT EQUALITY. FEMINISTS WANT TO MANIPULATE SO THEY COME OUT ON TOP!

darthdandelion
darthdandelion

@lcrava By special protections you must be referring to the lack of equal pay to men (http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2013/02/14/gender-pay-gap-wider-2012-and-its-great-for-women/)? 

And by equal rights regarding rape, do you mean feminists want men to be raped as much as women are? Because we don't. We actually don't want anyone to be raped, ever, and we want all victims to be taken seriously. Being raped more often isn't a right, in case you didn't notice (according to RAINN, 9 of every 10 victims are women http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims). 

You're point about women not being the only group targeted for abuse online is very true. Which is why many feminists support all equality: gender, racial, religious, ect. Unfortunately, women are a group that is targeted for harassment and abuse both online and off, which is a problem. 

Leaving problems intact is a silly approach. There's a problem with this industry (you and people like you) and that needs to change. We don't have to settle for being treated poorly, we have every right to stand up for ourselves and demand the same respect that everyone should be receiving. If YOU don't like that, then YOU can find another hobby/job.

Women suffer the same abuse around the world. Women are the number one discriminated group IN THE WORLD. So your argument that women in Africa and the Middle East suffer from "real abuse" is absurd. Women everywhere experience real abuse and that is nothing to make light of. I would also like to see some facts to back up your arguments. You seem to be saying a lot of things that don't seem entirely accurate, so I would be curious what reliable sources you're obtaining your information from.

Also, feminist is defined as "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminist). You are clearly very anti-feminist. What exactly is your problem with gender equality? Why do you feel it's necessary for both men and women to suffer by discriminating against women (and yes, men suffer from a lack of equality as well, this isn't just to improve conditions for women)? I'd be curious to know why you have such an issue with considering women your equals.