Digital copies of PC Bulletstorm to require persistent Internet connection?

EA product disclosure page says People Can Fly's first-person shooter/kicker follows precedent set by Ubisoft in sporting "always-on" DRM; retail copies exempt; lead producer refutes claim.

by

Source: Bulletstorm's product disclosure page.

What we heard: Ubisoft has decided to drop its embattled digital rights management system for some of its upcoming games, but Electronic Arts--which has been sued for DRM issues--is heading the other direction with its latest shooter, according to product listings.

People can fly, but only with an Internet connection, says EA.

Digital copies of the PC iteration of People Can Fly's first-person shooter/kicker Bulletstorm will require a persistent Internet connection for the game to run, according to the above source. "Persistent Internet connection and acceptance of end user license agreement required to play," reads the product disclosure for Bulletstorm's digital iteration.

Packaged copies of the title will be treated differently, as they will only require an Internet connection to "authenticate and access online features and/or services."

The official story: Bulletstorm lead producer Tanya Jessen said, via Twitter, that the former listing is inaccurate.

"I can confirm that the only time you will need an Internet connection for Bulletstorm will be on install and when playing mp (multiplayer) - no worries," reads the message.

Jessen also told GameSpot that EA is working to "ensure there's no more confusion about the topic."

Bogus or not bogus?: Certainly plausible that EA would require a constant Internet connection as a digital rights management system. However, given Jessen's direct refutation of the issue, this story seems more bogus than not.

For more on the upcoming shooter--due out on February 22 for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC--check out GameSpot's latest preview of Bulletstorm.

Discussion

115 comments
Creed02
Creed02

those whom are saying that i m not gonna buy this , atleast read full article than comment - " the only time you will need an Internet connection for Bulletstorm will be on install and when playing mp - no worries "

TheBest88
TheBest88

@blakeney what record label do you own??

bignick217
bignick217

I take it EA wants to join the ranks of players who have already boycotted Ubisoft for their assanine draconian DRM. I haven't bought a Ubisoft game in over a year because I refuse to be subjected to their DRM. Now it looks like I'm going to have to do the same to EA when it comes to their digital download games. And if EA starts doing it to their retail hard copies as well, then I won't buy any EA games at all any more. I've stuck to my guns so far in the case of Ubisoft. My position on this matter is not going to change just because EA also feel inclined to do the same. If anything, it's just going to add EA to my never buy list. Which isn't so bad in my "opinion" at the moment since EA has really only been releasing crap games lately... Aside from Mass Effect 2 and Dead Space 2... But those aren't made by EA. Only published by EA.

runstalker
runstalker

If I'm playing Bulletstorm on a PC that isn't permanently connected to the internet, I will have entered another dimension. Every device I play games on always has online connectivity, 24/7.

blakeney
blakeney

@Chrypt22 I own a record label, i know very much how digital downloads and rights to ownership work thanks. I played the demo of this on ps3 and did'nt think much of it, so you're right, its not MY software.... My point about it being pointless becuase the crackers will just crack the retail version is still the same, if all the people playing cracked copies are playing the retail one, why DRM the people that buy via (legal) download. If a games multiplayer is that good people either play on a private server with their cracked copy, or like most, they will go out and buy it to play online. The ONLY people this DRM effects are the (like you say) the FEW that for whatever reason decide to play at a time when their net is down/not accessable. On that note....it sounds like a waste of time and money, aka pointless non?

Dynamo11
Dynamo11

Oh wow, looks like I'm going to pirate it then with an offline crack. Good going Epic Games EDIT: Ah well, it's good that it's bogus

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@Chrypt22 I never said anywhere that I pirate games nor do I support it. I was saying that many people that bought the games do things to get around some parts of DRM such as having to have a CD in the drive so they can play without having to put in the CDs. Also, I wasn't saying that entire countries have bandwidth caps. I was saying that for some people in their own home with their own internet provider their plan may be set up with limits because there are people even in the US with limits on their internet because that is how they set it up and what they use. I was never saying anything about the US's internet connections being better than other countries at all I said like the US and many countries throughout EUROPE don't face many of these problems. Lots of Asia can be included in that statement but I didn't feel it was necessary to go on listing a bunch of countries. Nothing about what I was saying was aimed towards countries as a whole, but towards a few people in them. You yourself can look through this list and see that there are people here whose internet connection acts up and drops which would cause problems for them with this DRM. I hardly ever talk about DRM because it isn't a big deal and I hate how games release with tons of bugs and reviewers seem to overlook them on games they choose. Next time before trying to prove some point to me reread what I write and make sure it is accurate.

TheJamin
TheJamin

one more reason not to buy. gg

Chrypt22
Chrypt22

@Toysoldier34 In reference to your argument that other people in other countries will be affected more than people here in the US is false by a long shot. It is widely known that people in Europe, most of Asia, and South America have better internet for cheaper than what we have here in the US. There are very few countries that have bandwidth cap limits. Canada & Australia being two that come to mind, both of which have fairly large cap limits unless your entire life revolves around gaming. Having a persistent connection doesnt take bandwidth if you are playing singleplayer and would hardly cause a dent in any cap limit. If they are playing multiplayer anyway why does it matter? People that use DRM as an excuse to pirate games are laughable. You would be pirating games anyway.. you just use it as an excuse to make yourself look like a rebel with a cause. When really you are no more than a pathetic cheap theif thats too cheap to buy a game. DRM never hurt anyone, I fail to see all the problems that stem from it. Games are released with some many errors and bugs these days and STILL all people can btch about is the stupid DRM. Go Figure.

pad69
pad69

YEA sure thing poppy!

ChiefFreeman
ChiefFreeman

I regret that I bought a gaming laptop last year for this very reason. Constant internet connection DRM freaking SUCKS! I have a stable connection that rarely drops, but I still don't think it's fair. And people wonder why pc gaming is dying? If the consoles ever do this, forget it, game over! Why should we have to have an internet connection to playa damnsingle player game? Don't punish honest gamers who aren't software pirates because of the actions of some idiots.

WinterRampage
WinterRampage

@kokonut1871 You fail to understand that you don't own the game ( unless you spent a couple of million dollars on it). The company owns it. What you buy is always a part of it, which is decided by the company. Also, stop being so affected by the internet conection. Most of the people have it most of the time. When it drops (which is very rare for the majority) just don't play it ( it's not electricity, you can live without it for a couple of hours). I don't see anyone complaining about not having a powerfull enough PC, which in essence it's the same thing: a requirement to play the game.

Ladiesman17
Ladiesman17

It's bogus everyone :roll:... sigh. :?

kokonut1971
kokonut1971

Even if this story is not true, this whole "persistent connection to internet requirement to play" should be deemed illegal, because companies are not selling you a full product when such events happen. they are selling you a disk with half of the game on it and half of the game on their servers while advertising that they are selling you a full game which is not the case. to me all games that needs full time connection to the internet should be taged as a sort of branch of MMO for lack of better term which by definition needs internet and then you are aware that you need the internet to play of course. A lot of politician are quick on the draw to try to ban blood and sex in the games but are not lifting a single finger to try to protect consumers against companies who are doing this kind of behavior towards their customers...which is completely retarded. when a company sells me software i expect to have all of it. not half on my machine then have to download the rest after going thru 20 hoops to get it. I have no problems with activating online to prove it is legit or connect thru a system like steam to authenticate an account to play...but when a company has half my software on their machine somehwere...i call this rip off. and whose to say that you are gonna be stuck with a coaster if they decide to shut down the machines which contains half of the game....now who would be screwing who? the pirates? or the companies that make the actual games...i say that this should be looked into and laws passed on on this to protect both sides properly!

zidan4000
zidan4000

don't be upset by it, you can always crack the game so that you can play your beloved game offline, and no it's not illegal as long as you bought the game you have all the right to play it on or offline.

Hm1911
Hm1911

no EA won't do this to us. see what becomes of ubisoft

jollybest1
jollybest1

@HappyBB the funny thing is that they cracked it (talking about the ubisoft drm, and the fun part is that you can play offline), no game is uncrackable , and i know some people that stoped buying games because of a stupid drm :)), and i am one of those that waited until ac2 got cracked because ofg that drm

Valen_Ca
Valen_Ca

Great, someone at EA just gave them a new idea to mess with their customers, great job whomever created this rumour.

HappyBB
HappyBB

This stupid DRM has made me rethink of buying any new PC games. Or, I will just buy the boxed version and then download game cracks to beat the stupid DRM.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

@Chrypt22 Many people have limits on how much they can use internet each month and in countries that aren't major countries like US and many throughout Europe the internet connection isn't quite as available. I live in the US and I see where you are coming from because this really doesn't affect me much at all, but I know for many it may.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

This is the worst way to fight piracy. When they do this many people who buy the game crack their own legit copies so they don't have to deal with this stuff. I know that was very common with Splinter Cell and Assassin's Creed 2. I feel Steam/Valve have the best anti piracy system. They just have a reasonable you log into your account anywhere you get your games. They respect gamers and gamers give it back. Gets old when games tack on multiplayer options as a way to get people to buy it since most pirated copies of games won't play online features as the way to get around.

Yams1980
Yams1980

excessive so called "copy protection" increases piracy and motivation to pirate and download a game. nobody wants a game that has limited features/installs... when you can just download it and have a superior copy than the purchased one. Constant internet connection to play a game is just terrible, my internet goes down often, and is why I play single player games.

WinterRampage
WinterRampage

I think you guys fail to understand that DRM is not meant to stop the piracy forever, just for a couple of days when the most sales are made. Most major developers have clearly stated that they don't want DRM, but it's a necesary thing to stop piracy. Look what happened to World of Goo, an great indie game with no DRM: it has a 90% piracy rate. Do you realy think that the devs are just stupid for imposing those things? It clearly works. It worked for Bioshock (13 days without crack), Assassins Creed, or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory (which was uncracked for more then a year). Stop blaming the developers for trying to release games on an extremly pirated platform. Edit: The missinformation in this thread is staggering. Please read this article (It actually contains real numbers and an unbiased view on those things): http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html (It's long but it's worth it).

imprezawrx500
imprezawrx500

ea is just encouraging people to use cracked software with no limitations if they put this junk in games. Just like ubi games it's the paying customer that will be left with the limited software. Games like Splinter Cell Conviction are far more hassle if you have the original version than the cracked version with runs perfect with no internet required. When will devs get it through their head drm only hurts sales and people will pirate whatever drm they put in it. If you want ot kill the used game market, just use steamworks, now that is not very annoying and only needs to be connected to the internet once.

Oggy1985
Oggy1985

Another DRM fail title on the horizon.

lordkorosh
lordkorosh

let just say there are gamers around the world who are buying games but they do not have internet connection,yes in fact there are many as for me i am from india so we do have such problems here,THIS IS JUST GOING TO FORCE US TO GET CRACK VERSION INSTEAD OF BEING HONEST CUSTOMER,WAY TO GO EA.

steelmouth
steelmouth

Leaks are never too far off from the truth any how this will never work for some of us out side of the US and EU for the same reason as with cloud computing, WE DONT ALL HAVE ENTERNET CONNECTIONS AT HOME even if we do we cant afford to always have it connected and it will be a shame to always have to pay my ISP to play my games that I bought with my money while ps3 and x360 gamers can play at any time, wait a minute I only play on the x360 so never mind

biggest_loser
biggest_loser

Wouldn't bother me if it did. Just like playing online with Steam.

TrueIori
TrueIori

@scorpgul You do know this is under the RUMOR section right? must I tell you what that means?

TrueIori
TrueIori

@shansss123 Especially one that been proven NOT to work -_-..

TrueIori
TrueIori

@Chrypt22 Just because it does not affect you does not make it a bad excuse. Unless you live under a rock you should know not everyone has stable connections or even if their ISP limits their bandwidth. So your little rant makes no sense..-_-

Chrypt22
Chrypt22

@blakeney when its cracked you still wont be able to play multiplayer. Most if not everyone is buying this game for the multiplayer, and if youre not then you the extreme minority. Second, how often does your internet go down? I can count on one hand how many times my internet has gone down in one year. Even still, it wasnt down for more than an hour or two. So I partly agree that it probably doesn't need a persistant internet connection for the fact it is a multiplayer game, more or less. However, your excuse for "what if your internet goes down" is a bad excuse why not to put it in. To me it doesnt bother me... why should i care, they are just trying to protect their investment. It doesnt hurt anyone, its not YOUR software and the people that download it digitally HAVE a persistant internet connection or else they wouldnt be downloading it. I fail to see why the masses of people are hurt by this??

blakeney
blakeney

@tommynj Dont be a fool...... what about if your net goes down, are you still going to be happy when you cant play your game? The funniest part about what you said, is that you fail to relise that its not even pirates getting shafted here...... when this game gets cracked...which it will, the need for the net to play will be gone, becuase its cracked..... so only honest paying customers are getting stung by this DRM.

snxx
snxx

@tommynj Even if it may be unlikely for one person to be without internet for two days, let's consider that this game sells 300k copies, that way it's literally 300k times more likely someone will have an connection problem and won't be able to play. Also, there are a lot of possible problems. Let's say the publisher's authentication servers are overloaded or down (lot's of people still complain about Assassin's Creed 2 similar problems). Or let's say you like to play on your laptop, or you're traveling, and wants to play on your laptop, but you want to save battery, so you disable the Wi-Fi connection. Maybe you're traveling through a place where you don't have a free, open and good Wi-Fi connection at all (maybe camping?)? Maybe your router is in your brother's room and there's a "tilt" and your router needs a hard reset to start working again, but is 2am and your brother sleeps with the door locked? Maybe you didn't pay your internet bill because you crashed the car and you're temporarily broke? Maybe a natural disaster disabled your city's internet connection (it happened to a cousin o' mine last year: he had a PC and free time, but no internet - his city was flooded for about four days) As I said, there are many, many possible issues.

snxx
snxx

@HIT3kNology Or perhaps I live in a place that charges me a 60% import tax on ANY imported product PLUS about U$25,00 for shipping, but whose laws ignore the taxing of digital content? Or perhaps I'm a technology enthusiast and don't like physical discs, so my PC won't even have a DVD drive just because I don't want one/don't believe in DVDs? You may not understand this, HIT3kNology, but we live in a really big world, with 7 billion people, and, like you or not, most of these people won't live in the same environment you live, won't think the same way you do and won't have access to the same conditions/opportunities/easements as you. And, anyway, if you run a game company (or almost any business, actually) you can't risk alienating part of your potential consumers by saying "don't like digital? don't buy it, grab a retail", and you know why? Because a lot of people will say, "fine, if you won't respect me, I won't buy your game". Also, digital distribution is a LOT cheaper for the producers, so you'd WANT people buying the digital copies, you'd profit more that way.

HIT3kNology
HIT3kNology

Learn to read gnats, "Digital copies of PC Bulletstorm to require persistent Internet connection." Perhaps instead of yet again whining like little girls over a game you didnt produce you could go out and purchase a boxed copy. Perhaps your just large and lazy and dont want to go to the store, or perhaps just not intellegent enough to realize that you can also use your bank card (most likely your parents card) to purchase a boxed copy off the internet. Go to the bnet forums and complain about how you need a constant internet connection to play World of Warcraft, I hear they care.

Oracleas
Oracleas

They're not gonna feature that kind of DRM. their rep already said they won't. Gaming companies should realize that the only way to sell games on a console such as the PC is by releasing high quality games, and releasing it using a friendly interface digital distribution system such as steam. Games do sell on the PC, but only if they're worth it (WoW can kick any console´s game out of the water any day, and Starcraft 2 did very good. among plenty of others, of course) But anyway, i won't be getting this game... seems pretty boring to me. waiting for Brink

Jedi_Dad
Jedi_Dad

Did they not pay attention to AC2 and the problems that caused by requiring a persistent Internet connection?

Darth_DuMas
Darth_DuMas

This makes no sense, of all the versions, the Steam versions of PC games for example are the ones that don't need the extra DRM. yet publishers are too stupid to look at the bigger picture. Keep those services sweet and they'll just become a better place for you to output your games in the future, more returns. I'd never buy a PC game with DRM other than steams default non invasive varient, thats my limit.

Veronity
Veronity

Why are this game companies lead by some realy dumb dudes who never learn from mistakes, AC games were more then a perfect lesson. Well get ready to preorder torrents lol. "People can fly, but only with an Internet connection, says EA." "EA can fly if they listen to what gamers want from them says the community"

zeebenzene
zeebenzene

Online DRM is the reason I didn't buy Settlers 7, which I really wanted to play. *sigh* 'least bulletstorm isn't going that route

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

More bogus than not? Sounds outright bogus to me. If you can't trust Creative Director Adrian Chmielarz on this kind of thing, you can trust no one. Unless, of course, both EA and Epic have been keeping People Can Fly in the dark... But I find that highly unlikely.

tommynj
tommynj

@snxx Ok I can understand that but really, how often does anyone's internet go down for 2 days or more ? Mine may go out of a couple of hours max if there is a real problem.I don't think I ever been without a connection for more than 24 hours.

snxx
snxx

@tommynj: Actually, Tommy, it's the opposite. If the game demands a persistent connection and you bought the game and someday your connection is down (let's say a tempest affected the cables, so you'll won't have internet for two days), then you're the one who won't be able to play while your connection is down. And why that? Because the pirate will have a cracked version of the game and won't need an internet connection to play, so he'll have no problem if he finds himself in the hypothetical situation above. Can you understand what that means? That means the pirate will have a better service than the paying customer, meaning you're encouraging people to not buy your game.

tommynj
tommynj

People complain having to have an internet connection to play but yet they don't complain to have an internet connection to post nonsense on forums. Gotta love the logic! Don'[t pirate and you won't have an issue, it is that simple.

thrice00
thrice00

Does it work......... No it get crack. Does it pisses off honest customers........ YES!"!!!!!!!!! So does not work AS intended and make angry your customers!!!!!!! And........ they do it anyway. Good Job Guys!!

evaneself
evaneself

Money for nothing. I will never be so stupid to support this practice, I will never buy games with activatons, and I have over 500 titles. But will be so many zombies with parents money.

blakeney
blakeney

Whats the point? Crackers will just crack "retail" copies anyway?

limakokba
limakokba

And just when i decided to pre-order this game....... huh, assassin's spoiled it for me. i will not suffer another one!!