DICE: Mobile presents opportunity, not threat--Report

DICE general manager Karl Magnus Troedsson says that there will always be a demand for console and PC games that deliver a "hi-def experience."

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DICE general manager Karl Magnus Troedsson has refuted claims that a booming mobile gaming space will negatively impact traditional console and PC development.

Mobile gaming won't harm console and PC development, says DICE.

Speaking to Edge, Troedsson said that he believed the mobile space is actually creating more opportunities for traditional gaming, because more people are playing games.

"People are playing more on their mobile devices, but I don't see people playing on other SKUs as a problem for triple-A developers. It's actually the contrary," Troedsson told the publication. "I think people engaging in any kind of gaming is good for all games, because it means that people will play more."

"I consider myself to be a hardcore, triple-A kind of player, and I definitely play more on my mobile devices now, but I don't play less on my other devices as a result. … There will always be a demand for games that require a lot of hardware, to deliver a really hi-def experience. … One thing is for sure, people will continue to want to play the best-looking games out there."

Last week, Epic Games revealed that the iPhone and iPad title Infinity Blade had been more profitable for the studio than its Gears of War franchise. At the time, Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney said he was surprised at how fast smartphone and tablet devices are improving.

Some reports suggest that the mobile gaming market will grow to $10 billion by the year 2014.

Discussion

39 comments
UnwantedSpam
UnwantedSpam

I'd gladly choose my consoles, PC, Vita, and 3DS over smartphone games any day. I can sink hours, days, years, and centuries into my core gaming consoles,but I can't play a smartphone/tablet game for more than 5 minutes without getting bored.

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

The biggest threat, if any, comes from devs and publishers who say, "mobile is where the greater profit is! let's go there instead!" As long as game makers stay true, so will traditional gamers. For that, I applaude you, Karl Magnus Troedsson.

DeadrisingX1
DeadrisingX1

"...people will continue to want to play the best-looking games out there." Hah. Looks aren't everything you know. And playing on a mobile device for the majority of your time doesn't seem to be very "hardcore".

nurnberg
nurnberg

A lot of people like me will never care at all about "mobile" gaming, regardless of how popular it becomes.

Cruisemissile
Cruisemissile

And with mobile games its easy to do free to play! so Im guessing their hinting this is where EA is going to start with the whole micro transaction crap and then work inwards to the core games.

 

Remember guys all these dev's that keep talking about stuff like this are working for EA! you know the company that want's all games to be a demo when downloaded and then charge you for every mission and item you need.

vader501st
vader501st

DICE are hypocrites. First with the "Premium Service" stuff, now this.  Can't take them seriously.

GhostHero333
GhostHero333

To buy the Gears of War games and play them you need an xbox 360 in which not every member of the household has one. A cell phone however all 6 people in my house have one and about 3 of us have infinity blade so yeah no wonder they sold more of infinity blade. Ignorant. 

vochelli
vochelli

Interesting how he said people will demand, "the best-looking games out there," and not the more complex and intricate games in terms of story and gameplay. Speaking about his priorities perhaps?

CreMax90
CreMax90

To me, I see mobile gaming as a tool to welcome non-gamers to the gaming world. Take my brother for example, he never played games on console or PC and wasnt interested, but after his numerous hours of mobile gaming, he is actually more interested in core games like The Witcher 2. Batman Arkham city, and more recently Sniper Elite v2. Say what you want about mobile gaming, I know more people who are interested in core gaming after playing casual games on mobile. We all have to start somewhere basic, right?

therealgreek89
therealgreek89

Does anyone really think that hardcore gamers on pc (or even consoles) are really gonna give up their rigs/consoles and go out and get tablets to play games on? There are just as many hardcore gamers now as there ever was, so this fallacy that mobile gaming is killing traditional gaming is completely ridiculous.

I have a tablet, I play games on it, but that doesn't mean I've stopped playing games on my PC or either of the consoles and your Mum was never gonna play Assassins Creed anyway, it just means that publishers and developers have more freedom to choose the platform they work on, which means more games for everyone, which means a more profitable industry, which means a bigger industry.....I don't see how this is a bad thing.

itchyflop
itchyflop

 there are some really addictive touch screen tablet mobile games, but you can't replace the vita or ds, or can you. Mobile games aren't a threat, they're trying to start competing or using the gaming application to sell there products. But wait now the new Microsoft tablet with its USB port for a control pad, keyboard or mouse may be interesting indeed. I think then the likes of psp vita and Nintendo ds will have some real competition from the pc genre, which some say is now obsolete with the new tablet arriving. Mobility and technology really are progressing rather nicely. I hope the new tablet doesn't stink, maybe i can play BF3 on the move at 60 frames on my new tablet ??

Henrique2324
Henrique2324

This is EA speaking, so it's invalid. Nothing else to see here.

firehawk998
firehawk998

Anytime there is article about Tablets and Mobile Phone games you will see the guy who the article is based upon says that " The entire Mobile Phone games market will kill console and PC gaming, all hope is lost". So its refreshing to see someone like Mr Karl here offer a more rationale thought. The Mobile Market is good for getting games or genres that you would otherwise not get in traditional AAA games and a lifesaver when you want to kill some  time waiting somewhere but it will never ever replace console and PC gaming. Anyone who predicts these are really crazy.

crunchb3rry
crunchb3rry

Mobile games are a threat. To consumers. Because a lot of mobile games are built around microtransactions. They're basically premium demos. Play for a while with fake money, but not get anywhere unless you spend real money for more fake money. Which is pretty much why EA wants to go free-to-play. They don't see mobile devices at a platform, they see them as a business model to nickel & dime the hell out of consumers 1000x more than "horse armor."

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

Mobile gaming is only damaging to the console and PC market if and ONLY if people would rather play on their phones at home rather than their console or their PC. 

 

The thing core gamers in general are worried about is a loss of development time from their favorite dev studios, partial or totally, to the mobile gaming market.  Radical Entertainment just closed despite putting out a game that was reviewed in a positive light, a game that sold at least half a million.  Would it have been a better idea to do Prototype 2 for phones?  Hindsight is always 20/20... but considering Epic Games failed to turn a profit on Bulletstorm despite it being reviewed positively and despite it selling over a million copies, and considering that Infinity Blade was more profitable than Gears of War, leads me to believe that Prototype 2 for mobile phones would've done much better and Radical Entertainment would still be alive today.

 

This is what scares us as a core gamer consumer base.

aqkamboh
aqkamboh

I think its a great achievement in the forum writing field.

ZOD777
ZOD777

At least Karl gets it.  There are too many articles these days about mobile and tablet gaming becoming the industry's imminent future.  He has it right on the money.  While most people will dabble in mobile games, Triple-A games will always have a place in most homes.  Even if triple-A titles come to tablets and mobile devices, I would like to think that 40"+ HDtvs and high resolutions on bigger monitors with the latest GPUs will still be the preferred visual platform of most gamers. 

jamyskis
jamyskis

Of course mobile is not a threat. I don't personally get why people have felt the need to be so aggressively defensive towards it. Not only are the big-screen gaming markets like PC and console completely discrete from mobile, but smartphone gaming and handheld console gaming are two completely different markets as well. You can bet your bottom dollar that the vast majority of people who game on a 3DS, PSP or Vita will also be gaming on a smartphone.

 

The only reason that specific smartphone games are so profitable at present is because truly good, purchase-worthy games on a smartphone are thin on the ground. If publishers decide that people will spend money on AAA smartphone games, we'll see the margins drop on each one and smartphone gaming will suddenly not be so profitable anymore.

 

I play simple games like Canabalt, Little Big WarGame and World of Goo on my phone and tablet where the controls best suit those games, and I play core games on my PSP and Vita when I have a little more time to spend and I'm away from my PC and consoles. They scratch different itches.

ts997
ts997

of course its not a threat Angy birds will never replace core gaming.

mobile game are a grate place for small game developers to start because they are cheap and quick to make, i would probably say under 100k to make a good game where a AAA title is more like 100mill after you add in development, marketing and shipping

iluvOP
iluvOP

I never really understood the whole "mobile gaming" thing. I mean I do own a DSi and a PSP but I just play them sitting here or before sleeping. But...man, it requires a whole new level of courage to actually play something in public thus I never do that. I guess its bit different for those phone/ tablet games and whatnot. Havent seen a single person with a handheld console in the public in my life, but iphones and such for sure. I will never personally get such a thing since I barely have use for a phone anyway, it would just end up being a fancy alarm clock.

zulwalks
zulwalks

Mobile Games is an opportunity, especially for an Indie developer who wants to make it big in the world. For me, if I ever do make my own studio, that would be my plan. Make a few mobile games, use the profit to fund a PC game. =D

AndCarlsen
AndCarlsen

The industry is branching out, and that's good for everybody. We get more games and the companies make more money, which can be used for those triple A console titles, in case of a company like Epic.

FragRaptor
FragRaptor

ya mobile gaming is completely different than AAA production. That is like saying TV will negatively impact movies, it hasn't in the slightest.

moviequest14
moviequest14

It's ironic... I hear people say all the time how ios is a new frontier for creativity. Yet it is one of the biggest black holes of creativity with no unique ideas anywhere. I've had a lot of time to see exactly what ios has to offer , I've played ''the best of the best''. And I can pretty confidently say.... I can count the number of good games that aren't direct rip-offs or extremely casual games on the fingers of one hand. The fact of the matter is.... ios gaming isn't a threat BECAUSE it's not an opportunity.

DemannameD
DemannameD

"OH wow your Tablet has better graphics, gameplay and interface than my high end PC" Said no one ever in the future.

Toysoldier34
Toysoldier34

Well it makes sense to try and make their products as much as possible, that seems to be a majority of people's focus when it comes to mobile games.

 

When will big companies realize that when they makes mobile games or facebook games such as the Dragon Age game that failed, the gamers that want these games don't play games on those devices the way they want them too.

 

I will get Battlefield 3 on my PC but I could care less about what they release anywhere else.

Joshua2222
Joshua2222

I hope he's right but I have my own doubts....

interrasteral7
interrasteral7

 @UnwantedSpam

In my opinion, I would whether play games on my PC than a smartphone, tablet, photablet, MAC, home, and portable console.

sinn_exit
sinn_exit

 @CreMax90 Yeah playing on a console or pc not a mobile device. Like how we all did

Unfallen_Satan
Unfallen_Satan

 @therealgreek89

 One caveat is that each company only has finite resources. So if mobile gaming becomes consistently more profitable, then more resources will be shifted to those products at the expensive of traditional pc and console games.

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

 @iluvOP I guess it depends on where you're from.  I don't see it all the time but it's not a rarity.  Personally I don't see a difference between mobile gaming and the handheld consoles, in this day and age if someone's going to make fun of you for pulling out a 3DS or a PSP or whatever... they're not paying attention to all the suit and tie guys playing Angry Birds on their phones. 

 

It doesn't matter what other people think anyway once you buckle down and realize that if it's not you being made fun of for playing a game while on the go, it'll be you being made fun of for something else.  People are going to find fault with you regardless, so why bother caring?

zulwalks
zulwalks

 @moviequest14 actually there is a lot of potential for creative games on the mobile platforms, but the thing is that giving people free air to innovate it like not pressuring a teenager to study. Currently, there is no pressure for mobile game companies to innovate because making just one game or making a game cheaper than the others, seem to be alright. It would be up to the developers to pressure themselves to innovate

moviequest14
moviequest14

 @DemannameD Even games boasted for high-graphics/power (Infinity Blade , N.O.V.A , Dead Trigger , etc.) feel incredibly limited.I would say only 1 game I've played (Aaralon : Sword and Shadows) matched the scale-wise of a console (more like ps2 but still) game. There are still NO games that even get close to equaling consoles not only in graphics but scale.

CreMax90
CreMax90

 @sinn_exit Last generation, consoles was the basic tool for non-gamers. This generation, its mobile games. I didnt meant we 'all' played mobile games first, I meant we started something basic. I hope you know what I meant.

moviequest14
moviequest14

 @zulwalks But why is there so much ''potential'' for it? What makes it so special? I see a lack of potential over traditional handhelds , ios devices don't even have buttons while modern portable gaming systems have both touch screen and buttons along with multiple other interfaces (ds had it before iphone did). My question is... why is everyone working so hard to make the ios service such a success? If I introduced to you a device that had practically no original non-casual games yet after 5 years with only 1... 2 if you're lucky... sources of input , relying on virtual d-pads , and didn't say it was ios , you (along and mainly talking about everyone else) could care less about it , and you'd laugh me out the door for trying to push it. Nobody held Nintendo's hand when it came to 3ds , they said ''prove it to us , GIVE us a reason to buy it'' , 3ds struggled , and Nintendo got it back on track. With Vita nobody's holding Sony's hand , they're saying ''GIVE us a reason to buy it , prove to us our money will be well spent'' and Sony will hopefully fullfill that. But with Apple/ios even with a disappointing overall library they're saying ''it's ok , we'll trust you , there's potential , it's ok , we'll make do with the rip-offs and casual games we have right now , we know that some day you'll be as good as consoles , you're unique'' and Apple/ios has had 5+ years... what have we seen? Why is it 3ds (and hopefully soon Vita) have earned their own and gained a substantial library in 1 year while ios hasn't in 5 and people are still coaching and cheering ios on?

zulwalks
zulwalks

 @moviequest14 even so, pc and consoles would have already moved on especially with new generation of GPUs and CPUs coming out

moviequest14
moviequest14

 @zulwalks What other interface is there? Voice recognition? both 3ds and Vita can do that. AR but both 3ds and Vita can also do that. Really , unless there is a feature so unused the general public doesn't even know it exists... I don't see any interface that hasn't already been used/used in 3ds and vita.

''The reason why those people are getting so much stick is because those platforms are expensive to be just one product'' the problem is just that. I have much experience with my Iphone and it is quite literally a vale-store swiss army knife. It does a lot of things , but NONE of them as good as the original. It has a browser but nowhere near normal browser quality , it has facebook but only a small fraction of normal facebook , pictures can be taken but not as well as a middle-grade camera , etc. etc. the person isn't stupid , but PEOPLE are. The mass market relies on gimmicks and is rather simple minded , just go to a theater and see as a whole how they act when advertisements come on. At least in my opinion , that whole ''It does all this while in your phone!'' thing is basically a gimmick , *people* want a phone that does everything , even if it doesn't do anything excellently. I'm ashamed that those (like game journalists , personalities , etc.) have latched onto it as they have. 

zulwalks
zulwalks

 @moviequest14 well for Nintendo and Sony (recently) its a different story. They would monitor and rate each game before it is released. Most original games that earn below a certain score wouldn't be licensed for their platform unless they know that it would fly off the shelves no matter what (e.g movie tie-ins). So there is pressure to create original and high quality games from the start. The reason why those people are getting so much stick is because those platforms are expensive to be just one product, whether or not it is for hardcore or casual. People nowadays want a TV that can serve as an internet browser or a wallet that is also a cover for your iPhone.

What I meant by potential is that there is so much potential to create original games that utilises all of the phones interface yet makes sense to use them in a certain manner.Currently for the iOS the games just uses simple touch screen gestures and the tilt function. Currently I am creating a game concept for the playstation suite (for ps vita, tablets and smartphones) and after doing research, I realised that most games on the mobile platforms don't do anything much other than the same basic gestures

moviequest14
moviequest14

 @zulwalks I still haven't seen any ios games that matched ps2 quality yet. Sure games like Infinity Blade look good but the gameplay interface is extremely limited and it ends up feeling like a tech demo just showing what the iphone can do , not a full fledged game. I'm talking about last generation , so far I haven't even seen one game that got close quality wise either.