DICE explains why Frostbite skipped Wii U

Developer says it ran tests on Nintendo hardware with "not-too-promising results" and so "chose not to go down that path."

Frostbite engine developer DICE has explained why the technology is not supported on Wii U.

According to comments from Frostbite technical director Johan Andersson (via NeoGAF), early tests left much to be desired.

"[Frostbite 3] has never been running on Wii U," Andersson said on Twitter. "We did some tests with not too promising results with [Frostbite 2] & chose not to go down that path."

The new Electronic Arts-produced Star Wars games from DICE and Visceral Games revealed yesterday will run on the Frostbite 3 game engine. These titles were not named outright.

Other upcoming games running on Frostbite 3 include Battlefield 4, Dragon Age III: Inquisition, and the next Mass Effect.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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566 comments
DrKill09
DrKill09

Yeah, the Atari 2600 can't run Frostbite either...

yienwae
yienwae

I have the U.  I have Madden 13 and Need For Speed Most Wanted U for it (I think they are both great games).  It's fine that EA isn't going to develop some of their most successful franchises for it.  

But really, tell the truth as to why you won't instead of lying through your teeth that your Frostbite engine does not run well on the U.  Tell the truth that you have differing philosophies on how you are at odds  with the digital distribution of your products.  But don't treat us consumers like we don't what's going when it is obvious.

botsio
botsio

i will still want the wii u console regardless of some key franchise titles skipping the wii u.still there are fair and decent amount of  games to still loook forward to.

AzatiS
AzatiS

Gogo Nintendo , more mario games !! you can do it... pathetic ..

da_chub
da_chub

And I have been supporting Sony, blizzard, valve, naughy dog, rockstar, gearbox etc... Too. And i still choose to have a wii u hooked up to my tv with my gaming pc and no other consoles.

da_chub
da_chub

Madworld, no more hereos, muramasa, little kings story, geometry wars, redsteel 2, xenoblade, ff crystal bearers, godfather, Star Wars force unleashed...,. Are all decent games that make good use of gimmick motion controls all by 3rd parties. There are lots more, not mentioning Nintendo games. I also played plenty of ps3 and pc games last gen too.

hXcShock
hXcShock

I really, really want to support Nintendo.. but they're just digging their own graves.

joshphillips
joshphillips

Man Most Wanted with PC textures not possible on other consoles along with a steadier frame rate  sure does sound nice.  I guess it boils down to developers to learn the tech or for EA to put a band aid on the origin wound.  Also this whole Nintendo is going under crap just makes me laugh.  No one not Sony,  Microsoft or Nintendo is going to lose enough money from console sales to go under.  These are facts not opinions.  I could link you to sales charts all day long,  but it's your job before posting to do research not for me to do it for you even though I was nice enough to do it this time.



speedracer3190
speedracer3190

I love you guys and girls,trolls, Sheep, and... did I miss anybody? 

Nintendo does fine on its own software, if EA doesn't want to support then that's their and Nintendo's problem. Nintendo owners usually buy another system for the 3rd party games. 

I would like for the WiiU to do good, I really do. 

erix43
erix43

Sorry guys, Nintendo is failing. The Wii was amazing for what it was, but this Wii-U gimmick just sucks and developers are staying away. I smell, "Jaguar." Hell it even looks like a Jaguar, the controller anyways hehe. If Nintendo puts EVERY old school Nintendo game online and lets us play, WIN. Whatever they are doing now just sucks. Focus on Retro Nintendo! You are retro, don't forget it. Hell even do more current, but retro style games like these indie guys are doing. It's working! Do it with your technology and add innovative twists. Then i'd like to buy your console. Yay! 

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

At this point, this article isn't even necessary. But keep your heads up Nintendo fanboys, NOA hears your complaints and is sending smartphone games your way. Now you get to play angry birds on tv and on the tablet. 

the rest of us will enjoy big time releases and exclusives. so i guess it balances out.

jark888
jark888

Frostbite 3 creates a few best looking games out there.

naji2014
naji2014

Man, I always love those  Wii U-Fail news, cause they always attracts those commentators to buzz around, which reminds me of how Sh_t attracts flies. at the end, if Nintendo's E3 shows that they got games it will no surprise drive the Wii U sales, only then EA and the rest of the gang will sneak in to Join the party. WiiU is a $hitty hardware at the moment just pray that Nintendo themselves does not see it that way just yet and pull the plug.

Episode23
Episode23

it is not the technical aspect. it is the fact that no one buys the wii u. it makes economically not the slightest sense for anyone to support the latest n-wonder.

jsmoke03
jsmoke03

these negative comments and news about wii u and third party developers sound like the last 2 previous gens....is this even news anymore?

HydePark1980
HydePark1980

LMAO......wouldn't be surprised if someone else from DICE gives a different story that totally contradicts this one.

wyan_
wyan_

Problem?...

Ninsheep?

thetravman
thetravman

I'm inclined to believe that something deep is going on between Nintendo and EA. This is not a good excuse because DICE apparently has the game running on the 360 and Ps3. It should be common knowledge by now that the WiiU is more capable than the current generation consoles. Activision, Ubisoft and Bethesda consider the WiiU a next generation system. DICE themselves said before when BF4 was first confirmed that they wanted to focus on the low spec machines so the WiiU was out of the question. These contradicting articles just irritates me. Someone is lying.

Like I said, I believe there is some beef with EA: Crysis 3 was running beautifully on the WiiU but EA refused to publish it. Madden, EA's biggest franchise that never skips a console, is now skipping the WiiU. Fifa 14 is rumoured to not to be released on the console. Battlefield 4 is giving out contradicting excuses to not support the WiiU. I don't know. Maybe the WiiU truly is underpowered as EA claims, but I highly doubt it. Nothing seems certain yet.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Will Nintendo fanboys finally accept the truth that the hardware of the Wii U sucks?

These are engine experts.  There are few others qualified to test the specs.

xolivierx
xolivierx

A console exists for the sole purpose of playing games on it. Therefore, with no games, what is the purpose of the WiiU?

FlameBoyBen
FlameBoyBen

Remember EA was all over the WiiU and they sort of stopped. This must really hurt there relationship with Nintendo (and all other companies) to be so professionally untrustworthy

PC_Otter
PC_Otter

I honestly hope that this all goes viral, because the butthurt I'm seeing here is hilarious and the tears I taste are delicious.


snova9308
snova9308

so much stupid fanboys hating on Eddie because he brings them bad news, if you people want to be left out in the dark that badly, just cut your internet service.

bfmv2007
bfmv2007

Why are all of these Nintendo fanboys putting the blame on EA? Anyone with a brain knows that the Wii U isnt even as powerful as current gen xbox and ps3, so its common sense that its not going to run next gen graphics engines, or even some current gen ones at that. Developers know this, so why would they release Battlefield 4 on the Wii U if the graphics wouldnt be up to par with the other systems, and have horrible frame rate? Anything under 30 frames is practically unacceptable. Most 3rd party developers would just be digging their own hole if they release a game on the Wii U. Its obvious that MOST next gen games will be running on either frostbite 3, or unreal engine 4. Wii U cant run either of these engines, so things dont look good.

And to the Nintendo fanboys, yes the Wii U can run frostbite 3, or unreal engine 4. But lets be honest here, a 5 year old PC can run Crysis 3, but would you really want to play it on a 5 year old PC? Would it even be playable? Just because a system can run something, dosent mean its playable.

da_chub
da_chub

You pretty much described what they are already doing.

speedracer3190
speedracer3190

@racerxgundam Awesome, I love angry birds! 

I am happy because as a Nintendo fan Angry Birds is all I need from a Nintendo device.

Kag359six
Kag359six

@Episode23 It's technical... when you think about it, everything comes down to technical issues. However hard it is to port the engine to different consoles judges how much time, and in the end, money will be spent to do it. If it wasn't a pain to program a port of Frostbite 3 engine to Wii U, then it would probably cost very little and make the Wii U a "why not" type of console. There are still potential buyers on that system.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@HydePark1980 

They pretty much did, they said that with BF4, they're only focusing on the "low spec" consoles, indicating that they categorize the Wii U as a "high spec console" or "next gen console." 

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Thanatos2k 

And yet when you have the SAME EXACT developers making statements saying that they're not bringing Battlefield 4 to the Wii U because they're focusing on the "low spec consoles" kind of contradictory to what you're saying huh? How about when Crytek, another developer under EA had their most graphically intensive game Crysis 3, up and running on the Wii U ready to be put on a disc and shipped but suddenly canned? 

Sure they're experts, but it doesn't mean everything they say is true or they mean what they say, and since this is developer under EA we're talking about, there's obvious BS going on behind the scenes. 

CloWnCircus
CloWnCircus

@xolivierx Microsoft would disagree, games are not the sole purpose anymore, now you'll have cable TV as well.

BrutalPandaX2
BrutalPandaX2

@PC_Otterthanks, I think it's a little embarrassing CPU but don't think that seeing 1.24 GHz cores is all that matters in performance. The PowerPC cores in the 360 do not have out-of-order execution. This means they can't change the order of instructions to execute them more efficiently, limiting the theoretical performance. It's more like an Intel Atom (in-order with Hyperthreading). On the other hand, the WiiU chip is more like an AMD Bobcat- lower clock speed, half the number of threads, but better real-world performance, largely due to OOOE.

If EA wanted to release games on the Wii U, they would pay DICE to tweak the Frostbite engine to run on Wii U, but EA is anti-Wii U. Simple as that.

Vegamyster
Vegamyster

@bfmv2007 

"Anyone with a brain knows that the Wii U isnt even as powerful as current gen xbox and ps3"

Look at Need for speed most wanted U, Its framerate is more stable + it has Pc textures & improved lighting. Also Crysis 3 could run on the Wii-u

Here's a quote 

"When asked about the Nintendo console, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli offered up the following:

We did have Crysis 3 running on the Wii U. We were very close to launching it. But there was a lack of business support between Nintendo and EA on that. Since we as a company couldn't launch on the Wii U ourselves—we don't have a publishing license—Crysis 3 on Wii U had to die."

PC_Otter
PC_Otter

@bfmv2007 A top end 5 year old PC would have a huge advantage over the Wii U.  At least double the graphics performance (Geforce 9800GTX) and a Core 2 Quad that ****s all over Xenon, and by huge extension Wii U's Expresso CPU.

gruoch1
gruoch1

@abHS4L88 @HydePark1980 I don't understand. Why is DICE focusing on "low spec" consoles for a game that's running on a next gen engine??

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@Vegamyster @bfmv2007 Crysis 3 is current gen, the Frostbite 3 engine is NEXT gen.

Of COURSE Crysis 3 can run on a Wii U... The Wii U "might" be able to match the CURRENT gen 360/PS3 (May even exceed it a tad), but I'd be slightly embarrassed if I released a console 8 YEARS after the current gen started and then struggle to show that it matched up in performance.

This all a year before the NEXT gen hits? Which is going to be roughly 10 times as powerful as the current gen?

Yeah, bravo Nintendo, you've created a real gem...

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@gruoch1

I don't know, I'm just posting what they said. Maybe to show the scaling capabilities of Frostbite 3? I mean part of the draw of these next gen engines is not only the power, but how easy it's supposed to be to scale games depending on the platform it's being brought to in order to decrease development costs. 

Vegamyster
Vegamyster

@Daemoroth The Gpu in the Wii-U still hasn't been confirmed a 100% the lastest speculation is that its around the power of a modified R7xx 4650/4670. Other speculations are that its a modifiedE6760.

People should be more patient wait for visual proof which I'm sure they'll be showing off during E3, I am intrigued to see Retro's new game & engine.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@abHS4L88 Seriously? Do you actively avoid basic comprehension? I pointed out that idiotic example NOT as an example to support my view, but as a way to show that looking at PURELY RELEASE DATES to determine the generation of a console is not going to work.

I don't assume anything based on the games it's playing, I'm looking purely at the hardware under the hood.

And no matter HOW you slice it, spin it, or try to interpret it, the Wii U HARDWARE's capabilities are within the same region as the PS3/360.

Let's be lenient, and assume that the Wii U has TWICE the processing power of the 360/PS3 (That's VERY lenient - the Wii U being a little more powerful), with the next gen expected to have 10 times the processing power of the current gen, that leaves the Wii U with at most a fifth of the performance capability More likely an eighth), so yeah, a MASSIVE gap.

Also, the only reason so many "idiots" have a problem with calling the Wii U "next gen" is because so many idiots are throwing a fit and calling everyone haters when an article shows up about the underpowered Wii U, then trying to claim that a current-gen game (Crysis 3) playing on a Wii U is proof that a next-gen engine will work on it.

abHS4L88
abHS4L88

@Daemoroth

That was easily one of the most idiotic examples I've EVER seen. The design of the PS3 and some of the internals are different (like power consumption) but the overall hardware design is the SAME so why would ANYONE think that the PS3 super slim is a next gen system? 

I love how people automatically assume the Wii U is weak because it's only playing current gen games, well excuse me but I don't recall the PS3/360 playing games that looked like what we're getting now in 2005/06. The gap between the Wii U vs the PS4/next XBox is going to be MUCH smaller than the gap between the Wii vs the PS3/360 yet for some reason, many didn't have a problem calling the Wii a 7th gen system, so why the hell do so many idiots have a problem with calling the Wii U an 8th gen system? 

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@Vegamyster Fair enough but that is an entirely different discussion. If you want to talk game quality vs graphic fidelity you won't be short on examples of why a good game doesn't need great graphics (And why great graphics don't mean a great game). And you'll find me on the same side of the fence as you...

But that's not what we're discussing here, this was about which generation the Wii U fits into, and I hold firm that while it's Nintendo's next gen console (Compared to the Wii), it falls under the current CONSOLE generation.

Vegamyster
Vegamyster

@Daemoroth "Whether its performance in comparison to their competitors is important isn't up to Nintendo, it's up to consumers, and so far it would seem that the majority vote is "yeah, it's important"."

Tell that to the growing indie community. I remember seeing some guy mocking the Wii-U because it wasn't going to compare spec wise to the Ps4, then i saw him on a Minecraft article saying how fun the game was. Graphics are great but at the end of the day its the gameplay that hooks & keeps you.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@Vegamyster So, just as I stated in my post: "The fact of the matter is that, depending on what you're looking at, generations mean different things" you provided an excellent example.

Yes, the Wii U is the next gen NINTENDO console, just like the PS3 was the next gen Sony console when compared to the PS2, or the PS3 super slim is the fifth gen PS3 console.

What I'm talking about, when talking about the performance of the Wii U, is the next gen CONSOLE cycle, and in THAT category the Wii U fits with the current CONSOLE gen.

Yes, it's Nintendo's next gen console, which fits into the current CONSOLE generation.

Whether its performance in comparison to their competitors is important isn't up to Nintendo, it's up to consumers, and so far it would seem that the majority vote is "yeah, it's important".

BrutalPandaX2
BrutalPandaX2

@Daemoroth lol what are you talking about, you're arguing about increase in graphical and processing performance being the definition of next gen, what I'm saying is it's not about a huge leap in performance, it can also be an advance in gameplay. what are you expecting me to say Wii U has better specs than PS4 or next Xbox? I know it doesn't I'm not retarded. Besides there are lot more things that go into 'specs' than just CPU and GPU.

Vegamyster
Vegamyster

@Daemoroth "The Wii U plays in the same league as the current PS3/360, so is part of the current console cycle"

Okay here is the definition of Next generation: "pertaining to the next generation in a family; also, pertaining to the next stage of development or version of a product, service, or technology"

The Wii-U is clearly more powerful then Nintendo's last gen Wii, it doesn't matter how much better/worse it is from Nintendo's competitors.


Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@BrutalPandaX2 What does any game or quality of that game have to do with the performance of the console?

Stop being such a fanboy, I am stating a simple fact - the Wii U's performance is on par with the PS3/360 (Maybe a little better), and it will be nowhere NEAR the performance of the next XBox/PS4.

That is a fact, it's not a biased opinion, not some "hater" statement, it's in the hardware itself.

I never mentioned a single game, nor game quality (Nor amount of games available on the console), so where you get your rock-solid defence of "try a good game first" I have no clue...

BrutalPandaX2
BrutalPandaX2

@Daemoroth cmon now. you obviously never even tried a good game on the Wii U.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@Vegamyster Going purely by release date, what about the old "fat" PS3 vs the "standard" PS3? Oh, and by your logic the PS3 super slim would be "next gen" yes? Being released late last year, even after the Wii U?

The fact of the matter is that, depending on what you're looking at, generations mean different things - technically the PS3 super slim is the 5th generation PS3, but falls within the current console generation.

Sony released the last revision of the PS2 in November 2007, a year after the PS3's release. Still isn't counted as "current gen". The Sony BRAVIA KDL22PX300 incorporates the PS2, released in 2010, and it still isn't "current gen".

The next console cycle starts with the next Xbox/PS4 (The next major leap in performance, not some arbitrary cut-off date), whichever comes first, and in order to be counted amongst those, you have to play in the same league. The Wii U plays in the same league as the current PS3/360, so is part of the current console cycle, hence NOT next gen.

Vegamyster
Vegamyster

@Daemoroth

I haven't seen my comment pop up so i'll retype it.

Next gen is determined when something is put out, not its power. Want proof? Pc already trumps "next gen" consoles and they're not even out yet. It comes down to what games you want to play.

 If the 360/Ps3 can run Frost Bite 3 then so can the Wii-U, that's my point.