DICE considered delaying Battlefield 4 on Xbox One, PS4

Patrick Bach says people fail to grasp how difficult it can be to develop alongside new hardware; game won't use Xbox One Cloud servers at launch.

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DICE considered delaying the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 versions of Battlefield 4, but was able to overcome development hurdles to have the game ready for launch, executive producer Patrick Bach has said.

Speaking with GamesIndustry International, Bach said some people fail to understand how difficult it can be to develop alongside new hardware like the Xbox One and PS4.

"We've been very aggressive with Battlefield 4 in that we want to be out at launch with the next gen consoles. I think people might not grasp how hard that is, to develop a game at the same time as the hardware," Bach said. "We've been struggling quite a lot to keep up with the changes we've seen--both sides need to adapt and you end up being late. Everything is very complicated. Battlefield itself is a really complicated game, so it doesn't make our lives any easier."

Bach said he understands why Ubisoft chose to delay its Xbox One and PS4 launch title Watch Dogs this week, but made clear Battlefield 4 for next-generation consoles will be there at launch.

"So we knew we'd set ourselves a tough challenge, but people on the outside seem to think that because there are going to be launch titles, it's easy. What are we spending all our time doing? They don't understand how hard it is! Talking about Watch Dogs, I don't blame them, there are times when we've considered doing the same thing," Bach said.

"Luckily we've overcome those hurdles and thought about what the game actually is on the next-gen. We've had an excellent team working that out at the same time as the game itself, which is a big struggle," he added. "We can see that a lot of the next-gen games coming are, arguably, lesser when it comes to the scope of features because of this problem."

In August this year, Bach told Videogamer that DICE would "need to compromise in some places" for the Xbox One and PS4 versions of the game.

Also in the interview, Bach confirmed that Battlefield 4 on Xbox One will not make use of Microsoft's Xbox Live Compute, a cloud-powered service that offers developers dedicated servers and the ability to offload various computations to the cloud to beef up performance.

"Not from day one. The reasons for that are multiple," Bach said. "We started this project before these plans were locked down, so we didn't dare fiddle too much with it. Also, we're not Xbox One exclusive, so we needed a solution that would work on all platforms. We're on five platforms, so we need something that's Battlefield, not Xbox One."

Lastly, Bach addressed the recently concluded Battlefield 4 beta. He said the principal focus of the test was to get an idea for how the game's servers would hold up at launch. This kind of load-testing can alleviate the kind of struggles that Rockstar Games endured for Grand Theft Auto Online, he said.

"It's about testing the back end so that you don't end up in a Rockstar situation where the game doesn't actually work on day one," Bach said. "We've been in that situation previously for the same reasons, where you're expecting one scenario and then it turns out to be completely different--it's really, really hard to cater for that."

Battlefield 4 launches October 29 for Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC. Xbox One and PS4 versions will follow at launch in November.

Discussion

477 comments
blackace
blackace

They should have used the could and increase the XB1 versions performance. That's just stupid not to use resources to make the game play better on one platform over another. Obviously the XB1 version would look and play better with the cloud service being utilized. Hopefully they will patch this in at a later date.

muckisnipeuk
muckisnipeuk

i played the bf4 beta on ps3 was not gonna buy a ps4 was gonna give up gaming but played the eta on ps3 i liked it but its buggy as hell needs lots doing to it . i preored ps4  now like sad hey lol

mischiefmeerkat
mischiefmeerkat

Why don't they just release it broken and have a required day one patch like everyone else?

battlefront1943
battlefront1943

Having played the PS3 beta, this game needs a lot of work -- killed my interest in BF4.  DICE should have bucked EA and taken more time to deliver a better product...  on all platforms, current and next-gen. 

groowagon
groowagon

reading these comments gives you nice idea about the average reading comprehension skills of gamespot users.

toshineon
toshineon

"but was able to overcome development hurdles to have the game ready for launch"

Or, as we call it in the trade, EA was breathing down their neck.

josh7845
josh7845

Looks like day one patches will be needed. 

NTM23
NTM23

Oh, I read it as DICE considers, not considered. Never mind.

iCondemned
iCondemned

I know it's not delayed, but I really do hope they change their mind and delay it. We have many games that we're already playing and planning to play. The last thing we want to do is change game from game, over and over again. I think a respectable thing to do is hold it back until Jan. 2014. We already have tons of current and next-gen on the list; Ghosts, NFS Rivals, Dead Rising 3, Titanfall, Second Son, and many more. If Battlefield really wants to be on top, I believe having an extra two months to polish out any hidden bugs would be a GREAT idea. This is my opinion.

batman_420
batman_420

I hope they do delay it. I've got other games I need to play too :D

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

take as long as you need, I won't be getting any more games till next september anyway I already have gta v and new south park pre-ordered and also dark souls 2 pre-ordered so thats me sorted for a while.

AMERICANRIFLE
AMERICANRIFLE

MESSAGE TO THE MORONS:

BATTLEFIELD 4 IS NOT DELAYED.   IT WILL BE AVAILABLE AT LAUNCHONCE AGAIN IT WILL BE AVAILABLE AT LAUNCH.

READ THE ARTICLE. I KNOW IN THIS PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM WE CURRENTLY HAVE LEARNING TO READ HAS BECOME VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT, BUT IF YOU WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO READ, IF YOU KNOW HOW, THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE ARTICLE WOULD CLEARLY TELL YOU:

"DICE considered delaying the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 versions of Battlefield 4, but was able to overcome development hurdles to have the game ready for launch, executive producer Patrick Bach has said."

Senor_Kami
Senor_Kami

Sucks that they gimped the X1 version because others systems didn't have that feature.

ender707
ender707

"Considered", not "Considering".  Relax, everybody, just...relax.


Also its prob a good thing its not using Xbox lives cloud rendering service, I seem to remember Live going down once or twice in the past.  It would be nice to still be able to play the game without it.

Moegitto
Moegitto

So in other words, BF4 wasn't supposed to release on launch but EA didn't want to give COD: Ghosts too much leeway with the next gen release window time frame. Don't worry DICE, we understand it isn't your fault. You gotta do what the boss says, just make sure the game is an improvement over BF3 and we won't hate you.

Karmazyn
Karmazyn

Hmmm I delayed ps4 by buying new GPU....I think it was great decision after all. I still want to lay my hands on the new ps4 but of there is not enough games I can as well wait.....Watch Dog, Drive Club and BF 4 now......blow after blow....

rulo90
rulo90

first is watchdogs then BF4.. screw it then why not delay the consoles all together at this point to. everything is coming out to be shitty at this point.

thanxforplayin
thanxforplayin

The way I see it Battlefield 4 is still playable on current gen which means its not 100% next gen or else these last gen consoles would not be able to handle them.

Hiddai
Hiddai

I think it's true

charlieholmes
charlieholmes

They will still have server side problems upon launch despite the beta. There are still a lot of us gamers who don't play the beta choosing to wait for the finished experienced first. Thus, the taxing of the servers by the added players on launch will cause problems I bet.

metgear2000
metgear2000

BF4 will be the best on PC. FPS games are no good on consoles.

derspy700
derspy700

@battlefront1943 Haven't you heard of the phrase "The beta does not represent quality of the actual game."? The point of the beta was to fix whatever problems arose, and they have.

Manhasted
Manhasted

@groowagon *Reading. I assume you are not a Gamespot user?

blackace
blackace

@josh7845 They have day one patches. Definitely on the XB1 version. They should have just delayed the game until next year. I would have waited.

wyshouldi02
wyshouldi02

@NTM23 Haha me too! Had a heart in mouth moment - this game is the reason I can't wait to finish exams. Or should I rephrase, this game gives me a reason to finish exams. 

godslayer61
godslayer61

@iCondemned just to cater to you get off your high horse , just don't buy it until you are ready to play it instead of trying to give the shaft to the other people who do want it

BlackBaldwin
BlackBaldwin

U do know second sons is delayed until 2014 right I could be wrong but ya..

SJGSpook
SJGSpook

@AMERICANRIFLE The word 'considered' was a big clue for me. I used my superior detective work to deduce the facts.

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

@Senor_Kami other systems don't need that feature, they can use their own power to render the game and don't need to take extra power from servers lol. microsoft really dropped the ball just face the facts.

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

@ender707 are you kidding? it is definitely a good thing, not probably lol.

AlexBadaboom
AlexBadaboom

@Karmazyn you should read the actual article before commenting, it is not going to be delayed it was only considered

Ravenlore_basic
Ravenlore_basic

@thanxforplayin lower the rez, to 480P lower the frame rate to 30FPS, lower the AI, Physics, number of explosions on screen, and the number of NPCs on screen at once then you can get these games to play on Xbox and PS2.  Just like Battlefield 2: modern combat that later came to Xbox 360, PS3 and PC. http://www.gamespot.com/battlefield-2-modern-combat/

So what makes a game next gen, and at what point does a game go from being last gen to next gen???

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

@metgear2000 thank you for stating the obvious for me, good luck with the console trolls.

2Black2Strong
2Black2Strong

@Aaronp2k Not to call you out, but you are a noob. The PS4 reveal was in Feb and BF4 was not announced for next gen in that special. The 17 minute gameplay trailer was not released until March. Even the E3 presentation did not have PS4 at the end credits. Please due your homework before replying to my comment. The article below is from March 27, 2013 before XBOX's reveal. Sorry to make you look like a dumbass

"DICE has confirmed it has no plans to bring its Battlefield 4 to the Nintendo Wii U.

Have you heard the news? Battlefield 4 is officially official, and it’s coming out this fall. Well, except on the Wii U. In an interview with VideoGamer, BF4 creative director Lars Gustavsson explained DICE just didn’t want to stretch the team too thin with development on another console.

“I think overall for me as creative director, number one is to deliver a really great game and experience,” said Gustavsson. “Sometimes, at least for us, it’s focus on what you do well and what you know well, and ensure that you deliver something good than trying a bit too much, stretching yourself too thin and risking it.”

The Wii U isn’t the only console without a planned release. Neither EA nor DICE has mentioned anything about the game coming to the PlayStation 4 (let alone the mysterious next Xbox). While there’s still a chance next generation consoles could still see Battlefield 4 this year, Wii U owners will have to look elsewhere for yet another big 2013 release."

toshineon
toshineon

@dre2k14 @Aaronp2k Guys, guys... I think we all can just agree on that the game would have been best if it were released on the SNES.

dre2k14
dre2k14

@Aaronp2k Pony PlaySlave do you have a ps4?do you really know how great it is with its 2 game exclusives?No well do us all a favor and stfu!

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

@Senor_Kami @Aaronp2k But don't worry, I wouldn't expect anyone who falls for microscam's marketing magic tricks to understand the technical aspects of what they are using to play their games. because anyone who does understand the technical aspects knows that buying an x1 is a huge mistake.

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

@Senor_Kami @Aaronp2k lol, says the guy who thinks a cloud server is a dedicated server. and you missed my point. other systems (like the ps4 and pc) have dedicated hardware for rendering, they do not need a server to do it for them lol.