Diablo dev's disappointment sparks disdain from Diablo III team

David Brevik disapproves of changes to third entry in Blizzard action role-playing series, prompting current employees to get personal in public Facebook post.

Despite Diablo III's commercial and critical success, the action role-playing game has attracted criticism for losing focus on what some felt made the series unique. Notable among its critics is David Brevik, who co-founded Diablo creator Blizzard North and left the studio in 2003 to form Flagship Games. Brevik explained some of his issues with the game, created by Blizzard's main studio in Irvine, California, in an interview with IncGamers.

It's all a bit disapproving-dad-and-rebellious-teenager.

"When Blizzard North shut down they lost a ton of experience with why the Action RPG works and what about it works. That's really difficult to recover from," Brevik said. He listed several changes, such as a greater focus on narrative, modifications to the loot system, and the implementation of an auction house as alterations that reflected differing priorities. He said those priorities did not always line up with what fans wanted from the next Diablo.

"I am sad because people are outraged and, you know, some of the decisions they have made are not the decisions I would make…" Brevik said. "I am also a little happy, which I hate to say. It shows that the people that were involved in Diablo really did matter, and so I am happy that it has come to light how talented that group was and how unique and special that group was."

Some current Blizzard employees were displeased by the interview, taking to a public Facebook post to commiserate about Brevik's comments. While many of the comments have since been deleted, Kotaku has posted a screen capture of their initial reaction. Andrew Silvernail, who was credited in Diablo III, pointed out that Brevik's first project after Blizzard was the unevenly received Hellgate: London. Diablo III lead designer Jay Wilson was more direct, saying, "F*** that loser."

GameSpot requested comment on the exchange from Blizzard, but did not receive a response as of press time. Beyond his decrying of the Diablo founder, Wilson today announced a patch for the game that adds 100 post-cap "Paragon Levels" to increase end-game progression and address issues with the game's loot.

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skulb
skulb

Sadly, Gamespot is part of the whole D3 problem by giving it a score of 8,5 even though it was barely playable for the first couple of weeks, a scam to milk more money out of the customers through the RMAH and a travesty for demanding online play even for single players. How a game with these glaring faults could score anywhere above 6 even in the most charitable review is a testament to just how unreliable the gaming press has become.

If you look at Metacritic there is just ONE negative review of D3 from "professionals" and an overwhelming barrage of anger and dissatisfaction from users. Normally the two numbers displayed there correspond somewhat, but with D3 it`s like there are two totally different products being reviewed.

PsiKoticKiller
PsiKoticKiller

Indeed. I was extremely excited about Diablo 3 before it was released but it took me all of about 20 minutes to discover how much the game sucked and struggled to play it for a full two hours before deleting it from my hard drive...    It will be the last time I make a mistake of buying a blizzard game before reading plenty of reviews.   I am infinitely more happy with Torchlight 2 or nearly any other Diablo clone like Titan Quest than with Diablo 3... In my opinion the devs for Diablo 3 should be chained to a blistering hot radiator, tarred and feathered and beaten with clubs to make recompense for their idiotic design decisions that more or less take all customization out of the different characters..      I tried loading Diablo 3 up a few days ago just to give it another chance but I slapped myself for being so stupid after about 10 minutes..     And for the record... I enjoyed Hellgate London Way way way more than Diablo 3....

Rampage_chandra
Rampage_chandra

For being a hardcore D2 fan. I was, of course, disappointed from Diablo III. The Four Acts were way too small and the leveling-up systems were drastically changed.What hooked one into D2 was completely absent in D3. I used to play it way till 2007 or 2008. Just for the fun of getting the core points of player, right again. You had such freedom with your characters. While D3 gave you some weird runes to add to your abilities. Re-specing your abilities is one thing. But openly leaving everything out on the table, is, and always will be a mess.Not saying that it isnt a good game. That it is. But not what a hardcore fan like me would have expected it to be. The recent patches may have made it playable again, but I OPENLY detest to what  they have done to the leveling-up systematics. There is zero chance of having diversity in your characters. Yeah, maybe a little, but I'll say a solid zero when compared to D2.Still, being a fan. I am still playing the game, and will play it all the way. and keep criticizing the game, like everyone while Blizzard gains crapload of money over its biggest mistake.

davidAG
davidAG

The real money auction house, hell the auction house alone was the death knell of this series along with the serious design flaw of it being entirely a gear check. With the implementation of an auction house, especially a real money auction house system that required that Blizzard take a more direct hand in market value manipulation and price fixing by adjusting drop rates and the roll probability of qualities for items. It turned a fun loot game into a tedious and endless grind where after slaughtering champs over and over with full stacks and magic find up the whazoo sure you'd find MORE stuff, but you'd just find more crap.

diabloakaSAHA
diabloakaSAHA

Ignore the haters people. These are the people who'd wish that even a game like fallout still remain as a turn based game inspite of how that series has evolved. All these old fans aka relics aka fossils should just dissapear or die off. As someone who loved d1 & d2 , i dont find any reason to get outraged with Diablo3. Its a great game.  99% of the gaming consumers are just hotheaded kids and hasty old men. Pitiful how they whine. 

Crimson681
Crimson681

Diablo 3 sucks because the entire game is just a 100% gear check, with minor strategy involved.  The strategy part is easy to master, but even if you master that you still can't win without solid gear end game.  And the strategy is making a wizard, cast Venom Hydra, run in circles for 2-4 minutes and hope you get lucky with a 1 in 1000 drop rate for a decent rare.  Anyone who actually thinks that is fun must have some serious mental issues. 

Yokuz1166
Yokuz1166

Yeah, Diablo 3 was awful.  If it wasn't in the same setting as the others, you couldn't tell it was of the franchise.  It was a travesty.  Blizzard took something wonderful and destroyed it.  I guess there motto is "If it's not broken, break it."

slydfx
slydfx

I think this d4rkscourge guy really needs some sex with a female or male/animal? if that's your thing. Look at him go lol! comment after comment after comment ROFL write a book you geek if you must but god dam get some sex,your in love with attention from people that you will never meet and it's really sad.Diablo 3 I spit on it with a passion,I don't need to explain why, some people are slower than others but we will all end up with the same verdict "IMMENSE FAIL" see you all on on Guild wars 2 and War Z

ctusmarsius
ctusmarsius

Diablo III has a lot of polish and was fun to play; I might even say it was worth the money. But I got bored with it after only about 2 months -- and I still played Diablo II occasionally right up to Diablo III's release. The problem is that every character is the same; there's no satisfaction in crafting your own unique and powerful character. The only skill lies in your tactics, which you master pretty quickly and are left without any room to grow. Customization falls down to luck with item drops (or paying Blizzard more money in the auction house, which I refuse to do); every other decision is made for you. It's a beautiful game that boils down to a mindless click-fest once you've seen every spell; it has tactics but not strategy.

00LiteYear
00LiteYear

Want to know an easy way to know someone hates Diablo 3? They comment on articles like these. :P Meanwhile, life goes on in Diablo 3.

 

I bet most of the commenters have never played Hellgate: London either. So, while they side with the spiteful and lonesome Brevik, they do so not because he's talented at what he does. Grumbling, seething, reciprocating the same hate over into a lake bed of commenters who comfort each other because Diablo 3 hurt them.

 

If you, the reader, really wants Diablo 3 to change, you should tell them on their site. I'm sure they could use your feedback. :)

kukumav
kukumav

No, J Wilson and your entire team of talentless trash - F You.

colt_a
colt_a

They are mad that they lost 90% of their player base in 2 months.  So now tell the guy who made the previous Diablo games good to F Off. 

 

Really, its that attitude that has made Blizzard games decline over years, because its the same attitude they hold towards the consumer as well.

Conner_Macleod
Conner_Macleod

While I like Diablo 3, I was burned out by it far faster than the previous two.  I played Diablo for years and Diablo 2 almost just as long, while Diablo 3 I was tired of after a month or so.  It just didn't have the same level of depth or diversity.  Getting rid of Diablo 2's skill tree was a huge mistake, it allowed for such great customization and it was a huge part of what made that game a success.

 

The second biggest problem I have with Diablo 3 is that you can't play single player offline, it annoyed me to no end that I could not play single player out of the box when the game first launched because there was a server problem, this should NOT affect SINGLE player!  Everyone knows that this doesn't deter true hackers, it only hurts all the legitimate fans, and not everyone wants to play multi-player.  Diablo 2's system with an open and closed battle.net was perfect, and at the same time it kept single player offline the way it's supposed to be.

 

Tertiary, I felt the game was way too short and too easy on the first modes.  I took me much longer to get through the first two games than this one.  Don't get me wrong, I think D3 has great graphics and obviously much care went into it, but at the same time it felt rushed and incomplete, especially the last act.  Had the game been longer, with a little more in depth storyline, more quests and puzzles, it would've been an instant classic, but unfortunately it became an item and level grinder way too fast, and I'm really disappointed because I waited about a decade for it.

 

If there's another sequel or expansion, I really hope they get back to their roots and make it a little more challenging, longer, and have bigger worlds to explore.  The atmosphere of Diablo is still by far the best, if they can get closer to that, they'll have a game with longevity and another classic, but as of now D3 is just a little better than the competition.  I hate to say it but Blizzard is slipping a bit, and maybe WoW has made them a bit too comfy and content.

---Cipher---
---Cipher---

Wow, those posts by the D3 developers really show class. Makes me really look forward to buying a game from people who tell people who criticize their work to F off. These developers should be ashamed. It really shows, IMO, that a company who believes it can do no wrong can only fail, blizzard has been losing PR for a while now. D3 was a success only because of the name. I can say right now, come Diablo 4 I'll be watching carefully for quality.

marcusmattingly
marcusmattingly

It's so easy to be the guy on the outside looking in and say "you suck, I would have done it this way". I just don't understand this practice of taking developers and making faceless villans out of them. These D3 people are all people with friends, spouses, families, etc trying to do a job. None of these people set out to purposely destroy the franchise. If all they cared about was money and had no love for games, then they would be in another line of work because game development is risky, has long hours, and is generally unappreciated. TBH honest if I had just spent years of my life working long hours on a project and then had someone crap all over it, my first knee-jerk reaction would probably be F* You as well.

rann89
rann89

Diablo 3 is a flop. The only reason it sold so well was because of hype; everyone assumed it would live up to whatever was hoping it would be. Blizzard usually has a good track record so no one thought about it and everyone just bought the game right away. Look how many people now, who bought the game, that are still playing it. Me and everyone I know stopped playing it months ago. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of other people who agree. Blizzard got drunk off of WoW and they're main focus is reinforcing gear grinding in Diablo 3 and profiting off of it with a real-money auction house (which, insanely enough, people are actually using). Bad game from a bad team, and I'm glad someone who set the standard is telling the truth.

fedejico
fedejico

Jay Wilson has apologized for his "unprofessional" Facebook coment (it's in the official D3 forums IIRC). He also said he had higher expectations of himself than posting that kind of thing.

Kjranu
Kjranu

The ego of Diablo 3 crew is just appalling. They really need to admit the only reason Diablo 3 sold as many is because of name recognition only. Madden sells millions of copies every year but doesn't mean Madden is a good game. 

minty_cbo
minty_cbo

Diablo 3 sucked..story blew, and they put too much effort into the auction house and not enough into the game/items.. Thankfully Wilson's crew didn't touch Diablo 2...because I STILL play that.. I haven't played Diablo 3 since the patch..but it doesn't matter..too busy on my old game... I will say, they needed an open trading spot in Diablo 3 thanks to the prescence of third party trade sites/itemsites etc (d2jsp.org , lewt.com etc.) But they did a better job on the auction houses than the actual game...

I gave up on hope for D3 like 6 months prior to it's release..was hyped..then said ya know what? been how many years in development..and it looks more like WoW than diablo..so whatever..BTW Mr.Wilson? I returned my diablo 3 case back to walmart..no cd key included..  ,.|..

ulgk
ulgk

Even after the patch that made the Elites more manageable, this is still a shitty game. I'm stuck in inferno, where I have to fight the butcher. After downing his health to 35%, the whole place always lit on fire. How the hell am I suppose to kill him then?

 

Am I suppose to farm for a very long time until my gear is good enough? What kind of stupid game is that, where you have to wait for gears in order to take down the boss?

David Brevik should come back to Blizzard, and Jay Wilson along with the new crew should be fired.

gufberg
gufberg

Brevik is right - and even if he wasn't he expressed his opinion in a polite fashion with respect to the people who made Diablo and the legendary team of devs who were scattered when Blizz North shut down.Wilson's comment does nothing but empasize the truth of Brevik's words.  

fredwv
fredwv

who cares about this crud?   Guild Wars 2 tomorrow!  Woo!!!

Bigbudd0045
Bigbudd0045

I was on the side of the D3 developers, its sour grapes to bash something because you dont think you get enough credit.  Then two and a half hours ago i tried to log in and got an error.  It still isnt fixed and blizzard has no eta.  Its not the game balancing issues that I have a problem with, they will patch those and the last patch adding paragon levels was a big change....but the endless bugs, the error messages, the awful launch....this game was put out earlier than it should have been.  We all wanted d3, but i would rather have waited a few more months for a more polished release with none of these crippling bugs.

Runock
Runock

If someone told me I was not talented and the game I spent years of hard work making sucks I would be pissed too.

 

D3 has gotten A-LOT better with all the fixes and the recent patch. Itemization still needs work but overall it is a good game and a good time.

trueepower44
trueepower44

Jay Wilson shows why he failed with D3 with stupid his no class remark. You can't deny the RMAH was a fail idea, major fail. D3 had years, a decade to surpass D2 and its a joke what they were able to come up with considering the time and money they had.

jamyskis
jamyskis

I'm now wondering if D3 was as bad as it was because of Activision's interference or because it lost some of its most important creative talent from the first two games, leaving a bunch of immature, overgrown kids to develop it.

Idealmind
Idealmind

This soap opera makes me sad. I had good time up to killing end boss on inferno and that was that. Spent more time in this game compared to many others, I got my moneys worth. This "death dance" never stops to amaze me. Move on, let it go, you sold millions of copies, be content, sell us an expansion, something new, this patient is dead.

MeestaPleasta
MeestaPleasta

Alright kids, lets get one thing straight.....

        When diablo 2 came out, all the diablo 1 fanboys came crying out the gate saying, "This game is trash compared to d1!! Way to ruin my favorite franchise you dumbasses!!" And here we are yet again, d2 fans coming out of the woodworks singing the same song and dance as before.

         Its called evolution people. I acknowledge d3 isnt perfect, but neither was d2 or d1 for that matter. I have over 120 hours into d3, have my lvl.60 and completed acts 1-4 on inferno, havent spent a dime in the RMAH, and I STILL love playing this game. Realize its going to be SEVERAL patches till all the kinks are worked out. (ahem* like the others)

         So please, do yourself a favor and grow up. Learn to embrace this truly solid game. Or dont, and hang on to your shitty disposition. 

Vambran
Vambran

Diablo 3 is not perfect but Hellgate sucked so bad it put Flagship under.

shadowl
shadowl

I have no interest in playin anymore i hit level 60 and just stoped, they did not put any thought into this game. They should not have added the auction house at all due to the fact that everyone gets real greedy and sells the good stuff for unreasonable prices. They just screwed up on the game period. I did find one good use for it a coaster for my mug when i drink coffee or any other drink.

bruno321
bruno321

I hate to jump on the Blizzard hate wagon here because I've really enjoyed things they've done. Warcraft 2 & 3, WoW Vanilla & TBC, D2, SC/2. To me, I think the company might be passed its prime. Diablo 3 just didn't hold my interest. Am I the only one who felt the act progression and design was ridiculously similar to D2? The cinematic scenes were great but the story was completely forgettable. For a game with so much anticipation it just didn't hold my interest. I beat it three times and couldn't see myself sticking with it to farm. If I were to do that, I should have stuck with WoW and at least had a more dynamic multiplayer experience. People compare it to WoW but I say it's like WoW Lite. There's no incentive here to keep going. Unfortunately, I was a real sucker and signed up for the year long WoW subscription, got D3 free but have only played two months of my subscription. I can't blame Blizzard. I ripped myself off. I wish I could just get the money back and buy something else. After Cataclysm and the perpetual added lack of challenge in WoW, that game is no longer an interest to me. Diablo 3 is boring. I really wanted to love it. I even told myself I loved it while playing it. It just didn't satisfy, sorry. The comment by Wilson just seems like childish misplaced frustration. I know he apologized on the forums but he ought to apologize to Brevik -- I certainly don't give a shit about being apologized to. I mean, apologize for taking my money and putting me through your beta test. Offer me money back. But save your apologies for the people you've insulted.

lonewolf1044
lonewolf1044

In some aspects I agree with Brevik's statement. The AH(Auction House) in the beginning stages of development should have been done like a voting process among it's customers first to see if there is any opposition to it.. Jay Wilson remarks was uncalled for and childish. I like D3, but it is no game of the year.

vishisluv7
vishisluv7

Wilson's version of Diablo wouldn't have sold much at all if not for Brevik's work.

Wilson is damn lucky he has nude photos of someone high up at Blizzard nude. He must, how else can they justify this man not having been fired? The game is terrible, this remark is unprofessional, yet he is retained by Blizzard.

Morphine_OD
Morphine_OD

Jay Wilson is a loser if I ever seen one. And as Jay Wilson used to say "F*ck that loser"

SeptuagintXXX
SeptuagintXXX

Jay Wilson really had no idea how to build this game. The game is a complete mess.  The loot system is terrible, the monsters are either too easy or ridiculously cheap, the quests are generic and completely forgettable, there's no plot, or story, or quest that is class specific, the class specific gear usually sucks.

 

The game is just garbage.

Icky27
Icky27

The simple fact that it was IMPOSSIBLE to find a random drop to increase your characters stats makes it unplayable.  Why do slot machines work?  Because from time to time they reward you.

philMcCrevis
philMcCrevis

Jay Wilson is a piece of chit and I'm glad someone finally said what we all know to be true.  Diablo 3 is an unmitigated failer.  the fact that critics are too frightened of costing their employer ad revenue (look at the way Jay Wilson reacted LOL) to provide an honest review, is just further evidence of the sad state of gaming today.  Diablo 3 is a complete commercial sellout piece of garbage and the patch is stupid - paragon levels?  lol ok now i want to play another 400 hours so people can see a number below my character.  The loot system is horrible - all designed to force you to the AH out of abject frustration.  Players in 2 years?  ZERO

Nzilla
Nzilla

I think we all know what that real money auction house was all about, not to mention the persistent online.  Learn to take criticism.

Poodlejumper
Poodlejumper

If D3 weren't a blatant quest for moolah I'd feel pity.  I though I'd have a "come back to us moment with SC2.  

 

I still get f***ing spam from Starcraft 2 with some scammers telling me my "blizzard ID has been hacked".  How did that happen, huh?  Yeah sure...blame me...

 

Yeah... So glad I didn't buy this.

 

But I did pre-order Torchlight 2!

Blood_Angel
Blood_Angel

I really like how honest Brevik is and at no point did he insult the team responsible for D3, but Jay Wilson is an immature brat.

 

PS: I have just 3 words. "Path of Exile". look it up and certainly have a go at it when it goes in to open beta, if you loved D2 you will most likely like (or even love) Path of Exile.

maneljoao
maneljoao

it would be easy for D3 to be a huge success over D2. Diablo III just needs to be like Diablo II in every single way with better graphics and new classes. We need rune words, fun items (not this items that you farm to get +10 str or int) in D2 you had items with completely random effects that were fun; introduce charms, replayability, player-chosen character development (not this automatic garbage), get rid of those silly runes (to encourage multiple builds of the same character), fix the loot in hell OR make inferno easier (Diablo II was FUN because your character was a walking god), speed up the gameplay (am I the only one who thinks D3 drags along? I mean, compared with D2; introduce mana potions and the ability to spam your favourite skills and stop this mana management bulls***t (this is AN action RPG, not a freaking mmo).

 

And this is some of the things from the top of my head...I bet there's a whole list of them out there.

 

So...yeah, we need a D2:LOD but updated to the year 2012. :)

That would make an excellent game. I mean, there's still people playing Diablo II. That's a testament of how great that game was. Why the f*** they went a did something so different?

 

Manji14
Manji14

First they sell-out like bitches making auction houses and cashing in the success of previous games, and then when somebody hints at that they get all offended, what a bunch of morons.

I understand the producers may have forced them to do that, but it's still what they did, so deal with it.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

Seems like he struck a nerve?

 

Let's see how many people play D3 in 2 years, compared to how many people are still playing D2...

alenth
alenth

Oh, and the reason that D3 sold that much is because of the sick hype and D2 popularity.

alenth
alenth

Lol Drama between devs, unfortunately D3 does not bring a good lasting appeal for hardcore gamers and it becomes boring after a month (even less time lol), anyways we all know that gaming now is not made by gamers for gamers and i think that Brevik has a good opinion about the game, unfortunately Wilson acts like a spoiled kid instead of being professional about the subject. 

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

Brevik said the "Team" was special, not himself... Jay says... nothing useful. Having not played the games I can't decide on anything other than who the better man is.

Although the reception of Diablo 3 suggests it does have problems and unlike another high profile game that had problems (FF14) they deny the problems instead of raising their hands and saying lets try to fix this.

This Jay Wilson bloke sounds like a total bell end, he wouldn't even have the chance to make Diablo 3 without the guy he's bitching at.

Brixtan
Brixtan

Jay Wilson is an idiot - hope he gets fired over his facebook QQ fest.