Diablo dev's disappointment sparks disdain from Diablo III team

David Brevik disapproves of changes to third entry in Blizzard action role-playing series, prompting current employees to get personal in public Facebook post.

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Despite Diablo III's commercial and critical success, the action role-playing game has attracted criticism for losing focus on what some felt made the series unique. Notable among its critics is David Brevik, who co-founded Diablo creator Blizzard North and left the studio in 2003 to form Flagship Games. Brevik explained some of his issues with the game, created by Blizzard's main studio in Irvine, California, in an interview with IncGamers.

It's all a bit disapproving-dad-and-rebellious-teenager.

"When Blizzard North shut down they lost a ton of experience with why the Action RPG works and what about it works. That's really difficult to recover from," Brevik said. He listed several changes, such as a greater focus on narrative, modifications to the loot system, and the implementation of an auction house as alterations that reflected differing priorities. He said those priorities did not always line up with what fans wanted from the next Diablo.

"I am sad because people are outraged and, you know, some of the decisions they have made are not the decisions I would make…" Brevik said. "I am also a little happy, which I hate to say. It shows that the people that were involved in Diablo really did matter, and so I am happy that it has come to light how talented that group was and how unique and special that group was."

Some current Blizzard employees were displeased by the interview, taking to a public Facebook post to commiserate about Brevik's comments. While many of the comments have since been deleted, Kotaku has posted a screen capture of their initial reaction. Andrew Silvernail, who was credited in Diablo III, pointed out that Brevik's first project after Blizzard was the unevenly received Hellgate: London. Diablo III lead designer Jay Wilson was more direct, saying, "F*** that loser."

GameSpot requested comment on the exchange from Blizzard, but did not receive a response as of press time. Beyond his decrying of the Diablo founder, Wilson today announced a patch for the game that adds 100 post-cap "Paragon Levels" to increase end-game progression and address issues with the game's loot.

Discussion

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skulb
skulb

Sadly, Gamespot is part of the whole D3 problem by giving it a score of 8,5 even though it was barely playable for the first couple of weeks, a scam to milk more money out of the customers through the RMAH and a travesty for demanding online play even for single players. How a game with these glaring faults could score anywhere above 6 even in the most charitable review is a testament to just how unreliable the gaming press has become.

If you look at Metacritic there is just ONE negative review of D3 from "professionals" and an overwhelming barrage of anger and dissatisfaction from users. Normally the two numbers displayed there correspond somewhat, but with D3 it`s like there are two totally different products being reviewed.

PsiKoticKiller
PsiKoticKiller

Indeed. I was extremely excited about Diablo 3 before it was released but it took me all of about 20 minutes to discover how much the game sucked and struggled to play it for a full two hours before deleting it from my hard drive...    It will be the last time I make a mistake of buying a blizzard game before reading plenty of reviews.   I am infinitely more happy with Torchlight 2 or nearly any other Diablo clone like Titan Quest than with Diablo 3... In my opinion the devs for Diablo 3 should be chained to a blistering hot radiator, tarred and feathered and beaten with clubs to make recompense for their idiotic design decisions that more or less take all customization out of the different characters..      I tried loading Diablo 3 up a few days ago just to give it another chance but I slapped myself for being so stupid after about 10 minutes..     And for the record... I enjoyed Hellgate London Way way way more than Diablo 3....

Rampage_chandra
Rampage_chandra

For being a hardcore D2 fan. I was, of course, disappointed from Diablo III. The Four Acts were way too small and the leveling-up systems were drastically changed.What hooked one into D2 was completely absent in D3. I used to play it way till 2007 or 2008. Just for the fun of getting the core points of player, right again. You had such freedom with your characters. While D3 gave you some weird runes to add to your abilities. Re-specing your abilities is one thing. But openly leaving everything out on the table, is, and always will be a mess.Not saying that it isnt a good game. That it is. But not what a hardcore fan like me would have expected it to be. The recent patches may have made it playable again, but I OPENLY detest to what  they have done to the leveling-up systematics. There is zero chance of having diversity in your characters. Yeah, maybe a little, but I'll say a solid zero when compared to D2.Still, being a fan. I am still playing the game, and will play it all the way. and keep criticizing the game, like everyone while Blizzard gains crapload of money over its biggest mistake.

davidAG
davidAG

The real money auction house, hell the auction house alone was the death knell of this series along with the serious design flaw of it being entirely a gear check. With the implementation of an auction house, especially a real money auction house system that required that Blizzard take a more direct hand in market value manipulation and price fixing by adjusting drop rates and the roll probability of qualities for items. It turned a fun loot game into a tedious and endless grind where after slaughtering champs over and over with full stacks and magic find up the whazoo sure you'd find MORE stuff, but you'd just find more crap.

diabloakaSAHA
diabloakaSAHA

Ignore the haters people. These are the people who'd wish that even a game like fallout still remain as a turn based game inspite of how that series has evolved. All these old fans aka relics aka fossils should just dissapear or die off. As someone who loved d1 & d2 , i dont find any reason to get outraged with Diablo3. Its a great game.  99% of the gaming consumers are just hotheaded kids and hasty old men. Pitiful how they whine. 

Crimson681
Crimson681

Diablo 3 sucks because the entire game is just a 100% gear check, with minor strategy involved.  The strategy part is easy to master, but even if you master that you still can't win without solid gear end game.  And the strategy is making a wizard, cast Venom Hydra, run in circles for 2-4 minutes and hope you get lucky with a 1 in 1000 drop rate for a decent rare.  Anyone who actually thinks that is fun must have some serious mental issues. 

Yokuz1166
Yokuz1166

Yeah, Diablo 3 was awful.  If it wasn't in the same setting as the others, you couldn't tell it was of the franchise.  It was a travesty.  Blizzard took something wonderful and destroyed it.  I guess there motto is "If it's not broken, break it."

slydfx
slydfx

I think this d4rkscourge guy really needs some sex with a female or male/animal? if that's your thing. Look at him go lol! comment after comment after comment ROFL write a book you geek if you must but god dam get some sex,your in love with attention from people that you will never meet and it's really sad.Diablo 3 I spit on it with a passion,I don't need to explain why, some people are slower than others but we will all end up with the same verdict "IMMENSE FAIL" see you all on on Guild wars 2 and War Z

ctusmarsius
ctusmarsius

Diablo III has a lot of polish and was fun to play; I might even say it was worth the money. But I got bored with it after only about 2 months -- and I still played Diablo II occasionally right up to Diablo III's release. The problem is that every character is the same; there's no satisfaction in crafting your own unique and powerful character. The only skill lies in your tactics, which you master pretty quickly and are left without any room to grow. Customization falls down to luck with item drops (or paying Blizzard more money in the auction house, which I refuse to do); every other decision is made for you. It's a beautiful game that boils down to a mindless click-fest once you've seen every spell; it has tactics but not strategy.

00LiteYear
00LiteYear

Want to know an easy way to know someone hates Diablo 3? They comment on articles like these. :P Meanwhile, life goes on in Diablo 3.

 

I bet most of the commenters have never played Hellgate: London either. So, while they side with the spiteful and lonesome Brevik, they do so not because he's talented at what he does. Grumbling, seething, reciprocating the same hate over into a lake bed of commenters who comfort each other because Diablo 3 hurt them.

 

If you, the reader, really wants Diablo 3 to change, you should tell them on their site. I'm sure they could use your feedback. :)

kukumav
kukumav

No, J Wilson and your entire team of talentless trash - F You.

colt_a
colt_a

They are mad that they lost 90% of their player base in 2 months.  So now tell the guy who made the previous Diablo games good to F Off. 

 

Really, its that attitude that has made Blizzard games decline over years, because its the same attitude they hold towards the consumer as well.

Conner_Macleod
Conner_Macleod

While I like Diablo 3, I was burned out by it far faster than the previous two.  I played Diablo for years and Diablo 2 almost just as long, while Diablo 3 I was tired of after a month or so.  It just didn't have the same level of depth or diversity.  Getting rid of Diablo 2's skill tree was a huge mistake, it allowed for such great customization and it was a huge part of what made that game a success.

 

The second biggest problem I have with Diablo 3 is that you can't play single player offline, it annoyed me to no end that I could not play single player out of the box when the game first launched because there was a server problem, this should NOT affect SINGLE player!  Everyone knows that this doesn't deter true hackers, it only hurts all the legitimate fans, and not everyone wants to play multi-player.  Diablo 2's system with an open and closed battle.net was perfect, and at the same time it kept single player offline the way it's supposed to be.

 

Tertiary, I felt the game was way too short and too easy on the first modes.  I took me much longer to get through the first two games than this one.  Don't get me wrong, I think D3 has great graphics and obviously much care went into it, but at the same time it felt rushed and incomplete, especially the last act.  Had the game been longer, with a little more in depth storyline, more quests and puzzles, it would've been an instant classic, but unfortunately it became an item and level grinder way too fast, and I'm really disappointed because I waited about a decade for it.

 

If there's another sequel or expansion, I really hope they get back to their roots and make it a little more challenging, longer, and have bigger worlds to explore.  The atmosphere of Diablo is still by far the best, if they can get closer to that, they'll have a game with longevity and another classic, but as of now D3 is just a little better than the competition.  I hate to say it but Blizzard is slipping a bit, and maybe WoW has made them a bit too comfy and content.

---Cipher---
---Cipher---

Wow, those posts by the D3 developers really show class. Makes me really look forward to buying a game from people who tell people who criticize their work to F off. These developers should be ashamed. It really shows, IMO, that a company who believes it can do no wrong can only fail, blizzard has been losing PR for a while now. D3 was a success only because of the name. I can say right now, come Diablo 4 I'll be watching carefully for quality.

marcusmattingly
marcusmattingly

It's so easy to be the guy on the outside looking in and say "you suck, I would have done it this way". I just don't understand this practice of taking developers and making faceless villans out of them. These D3 people are all people with friends, spouses, families, etc trying to do a job. None of these people set out to purposely destroy the franchise. If all they cared about was money and had no love for games, then they would be in another line of work because game development is risky, has long hours, and is generally unappreciated. TBH honest if I had just spent years of my life working long hours on a project and then had someone crap all over it, my first knee-jerk reaction would probably be F* You as well.

nadejun
nadejun

 @diabloakaSAHA fallout hasnt 'evolved'. Bethesda lost the sattire, story depth, lore and unique game mechanics that made the game special in the first place. Interplay didnt make it by changing fallout every release into something drastically different, and if you count the poor in game animations (running sideways while camera is strafing) "evolved" then im not sure what your opinion of evolution is. When D1, D2, fallout 1, 2 and tactics were released, it was a good time where developers were paid to develop games. Your emotional response just tells us that you dont understand that basic principle. Now blizzard, bethesda, EA are run based on economic decisions, and the passion of those who created games because they love them are gone. The only developers who do that are small firms like Runic Games who arent greedy - aka. charging an overpriced game which has clearly had little effort been spent on it

Hawkssj4
Hawkssj4

 @diabloakaSAHA Who are you, to decide, whenever people should dissapear or die? different people like/dislike same game for different reasons, where one finds the beauty in things such as how certain game make one dive into the rich and deep world it offers, where one feels like he is actually getting something from that game, which enhances one's personal, inner world, there the only thing another gets satisfaction from, is how beautiful corpse explosion can be, and the top most knowledge he gets from the game is that the head hitted by rocket launcher, usually tend to explode. Of course i do apologize for my sarcasm, i admit i went too far while describing one's possible knowledge gains about the "rockets and physics" part, however, judging from how hasty you are on deciding other people fates, you are the one who looks hotheaded and hasty person for me, my friend. Besides, reading all of the other comments, reading rewievs, the way i see it , those fossils, you call them, are still the majority, refering to diablo 3 at least, which is the way i like.

Cheers

devastion913
devastion913

 @ctusmarsius

Yeah, that's why I got bored with it about the same time you did. I also played D2:LoD intermittently up until about a year before D3 from the time the LoD expansion came out. There really isn't alot to see in D3. The grinding isn't fun and the AH is a lame joke with tards picking thier own ridiculous prices. Like you said too, each charachter feels like the other. Nothing is unique. And why are my stat points automatically allocated? Why can my sorc wield barbarian style weapons and yield more damage than something you'd think a sorc would use, like a staff or a wand? The legendary weapons suck. There are no runewords, and I can't go between acts from the waypoints. Why? Maybe they will make an expansion that will fix some of these problems and help bring some of us that liked how D2:LoD was but I don't think they will.

RoadStar1602
RoadStar1602

 @kukumav I wouldn't say they are talentless. I would say they are greedy and have lost touch with their customers. They look down on us now. You can see it plainly in Jay Wilson's comment. They don't listen to what the customer wants. That goes for all of Blizzard, not just the Diablo 3 team. They've simply gotten too big for their own good, at least for me. 

 

I have purchased every Blizzard product ever released except for Cataclysm, but I'm just sick of how Blizzard does things now and I will not be buying any more of their games. It really saddens me when I think of how great Blizzard used to be compared to the horrible monster they've become.

phrozac
phrozac

 @kukumav The way D3 plays can't attributed to the artists Kuku. D3 is still a beautiful looking game. Are you more talented than the artists responsible for the look of D3 that you can do better?

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @colt_a i agree.. i can see that decline over the years too.. and i never thought that rat had the nerv to insult the guy responsable for those amazing games.. its outrageous, makes me want to punch my led screen.. :S

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @marcusmattingly so u are saying u cant judge them, or criticize their work, cause.. being a game developer is too hard? they are buried in money, n still all they care is about making more (even if that means turning things into crap) i could def stand up for some other developer teams.. (good teams that seek balance between making money and please the fans) but not this one, they sucked at everything, even at having some respect towards the original creators of this franchise.. thats really low.. cause everything that brevik said was true.. and didnt harmed anybody.. plus u can judge any1 as a consumer.. you are buying a service/product.. and if it sucks.. u should complain, or say whatever u want to say.. 

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @marcusmattingly its so funny how some ppl try to defend the indefensible.. lol like if this game was a master piece.. or like if the developers were soo awesome that u could be proud about them.. it just make no sense to me.. u must really like to mindlessly farm 4 gold over n over again, just to buy crappy items on that shitty store, over and over again, i can see there is a lot of merit on that lol it test ur dumbness lol or maybe u enjoy wasting ur real money on some stupid virtual items that look all the same.. still trying to figure it out lol why?..

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @marcusmattingly nobody said they werent normal ppl.. and also nobody said they were thinking about ruining anything.. but.. i think they did pal, and whom would u blame then?? god? hahaha fucking hilarious..

kukumav
kukumav

 @RoadStar1602 I wouldn't call them talentless either...Even though I just did :) First of all, I am too angry at Blizzard because of what they've become and I honestly didn't like the graphics either. Any game out there today has good graphics, D3 has nothing that would make you wow - so while they may not be talentless, they surely are not special either. The script ? I won't even talk about it...So where's the talent now ? One would have to think very very hard really...But yes, I did write that because of my anger - I am not sorry ! Acti-Blizzard has gone too far and likewise, I will never buy any of their games again until they pull themselves together.

kukumav
kukumav

 @phrozac As a matter of fact, I can do better and yes I am a more talented artist myself! D3 looks good - so does any other game out there. Is it unique ? Not at all. I called them talentless out of anger obviously and they deserve all the sh1t they get considering how they've fooled everyone and are still standing by their flawed product. Remember that this thing took 10 years and that they sold it thanks to D2, nothing more. Don't waste your time defending them, you'd do more good if you were angry and showed it - that would prove your honesty as a customer.

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav looks like shit to me, too much like wow, too cartoonish, diablo wasnt like that.. it had a tense atmosphere, music, dark places.. n shit like that.. oh btw ur question lacks of sense, nobody could do better cause we dont work at the making games business, we just play them.. but they do, and they SUCK at it.. we are here to give our feedback, and support the game, or not (like in this case). we are def not here to be better than them..  im sure u are too young, and u didnt even played old diablo games that much, if u support this shitty game like u do.. there is no sense at all in supporting this game or this work team, just your soooo acclaimed game looks.. (beautiful? haha really? is this some barbie game?) just think about how many mistakes they made.. specially the big epic fail that RMAH was.. nough said..

marcusmattingly
marcusmattingly

 @d4rkscourge If you think game developers, the guys in the trenches doing the work, are buried in money then you are mistaken. I am a software developer, business stuff not games, and I would have to take a substantial salary cut to be a game developer. That doesn't even account for the insane hours they work, especially near release. All I was saying is to choose that direction, requires a love of games. They are not all about the money as many like to think.

marcusmattingly
marcusmattingly

 @d4rkscourge I never said the game was a masterpiece, ever. It certainly has its flaws. All I was saying is these guys are not the devil, they are people,  and I can understand how they would go on the defensive when they are getting assaulted from all sides.

marcusmattingly
marcusmattingly

 @d4rkscourge Some of the comments I have seen have been pretty nasty is all I am saying. Saying someone only cares about money and is purposely screwing consumers is not just criticism of a game, it's an attack on someones character. If you laid down $60 bucks without knowing what you were getting and feel like you need to blame someone, then how about blaming yourself? I for one knew about these controversial features issues like always connected and the real money auction house well before I put my money down. There were articles, beta tests, gameplay videos. How could anyone have bought this game without knowing what it was like? Yet it sold a gazillion copies.

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @criticalmigz  @kukumav lol i never thought we would agree at something, haha just joking.. xD its true, any1 can easily tell how diablo games gradually lost that atmosphere, bummer indeed.. diablo 2 had some of it.. but way less than d1..   yaa! it would be frikin awesome to have a dead space ARPG, but i think it would be asking much.. Its nothing like it but, the new x-com looks nice, thou its not an ARPG, it is more like a turn based strategy game, but if it is like the old x-coms, it should have a great tense sci-fi horror like atmosphere, and rpg elements too.. Anyway i have faith in the next diablo installment, im sure the next time they will try to get back to their roots.. if there is any secuel coming up in the far future..

phrozac
phrozac

 @criticalmigz  @d4rkscourge  @kukumav Yeah, D1 definitely had a Gothic horror vibe going on. That vibe has faded with each successive sequel. It's been a bummer for awhile, but I hope another ARPG comes out to really capture that gothic horror essence. As things grow to mainstream, they tend to get more bland. I know Dark Souls captured it pretty well. Dead Space is doing it in Sci-fi. I really want a next gen Diablo that gets back to it's horror roots. Can you imagine Dead Space as an ARPG????! ZOMG.

criticalmigz
criticalmigz

 @phrozac  @d4rkscourge  @kukumav  funny coz for me the best ambient of the three diablos,from 1 to 3,is unfortunately diablo 1...  it has scary feel,not so cartoonish,and scary background... Girl crying,etc.. maybe they made it cartoon-like for 1 that many reported that diablo1 gamers went crazy or to be approximate, "possessed" by evil spirits...it was the scariest of the three...                     then came the diablo 2,which was more fun to play due to its diversities,more spells (diablo 1 shared spells,depends on attributes).. plus the runes and the gems... diablo3,it was fun too,and the graphics are better,but somethings really missing... scary  ambiance from diablo 1 wasnt there, and so as the diversions and flexibility from 2 was lost too...but im pretty sure,the next one would be the best,,,feels like its the beta for the next diablo 's 4th installment...              i hope theyd be open for changes,and suggestions from fans/diablo players..

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav haha my "mental state" lol, well.. i agree, the visual presentation, is impeccable just like any other blizzard game, like the stunning fmvs it has, same as always.. they wont release a game that lacks of those aspects..  im glad that u agree with me about the music of the old games, since those OSTs were perfect and had a lot to do with diablo games atmosphere, soo virtuous.. i still listen to some of the songs, specially tristam song (i also play it myself)  i know u weren't defending the music, i did not attributed that to u.. i just got confused cause u said on your first msgs that old diablos were ugly, so i thought u were pretty much against the old team, and supporting this new team.. sounded like if u despised the first 2 games.. but now i know u do have all the good things about the old games really present.. since u can value, things like the music, game design n stuff like that..  Talking about the dev team, i understand that the other 50+ ppl have their own responsibilities, at which some failed, but still they shouldn't be put in the same bag as jay willson, i personally think that the biggest mistake wasn't the whole dev team, it was just jay willson on the head of the project, u can see the lack of codes he has, not only as a game developer, but as person, speaking of a colleague like that :S.. sure, he didnt had much to do with art/audio/animation/programming, but he leaded the game to a place, a wrong place, but that's my personal opinion, when he and his team, decided to add aspects that weren't there b4, like the so criticized action house, im sure that was his whole idea, or things like lowering the drops, to force ppl to be slaves of that new system..  im sure he also said "OK" and gave the green light, when some1 said to him "hey we should take RPG aspects out of the game, we dont need that complexity.. if we want to reach a bigger audience"  those are all big mistakes, so don't blame ppl that doesn't have your dev knowledge, like me, when they are frustrated at how a team (or a man) plays with their expectations, and now we even have to hear him insulting the guy (brevik) which happens to be the one that made the name DIABLO that huge, and possibly responsible of his sales "success" so try to understand when ppl starts to insulting jay and his team, maybe out of ignorance i know, not everybody knows how a game developer team works.. but def with good reasons.. cause we, as consumers.. were expecting this for years, and we blindly bought it just to be screwed by how they are trying to make money without backing up the motive of using diablo on the game box, if u ask me the game could be called "FANTASY WORLD OF BEAUTY" and i would never notice at all that it was meant to be a diablo sequel.. im sure ill try it in 6 months like u said or maybe even a year or 2.. since i bought the game, and i cant get my money back.. so im sure ill give it a try again, to see what changed, but since i doubt they change the aspects i don't like about it, like removing the RMAH or adding more customizations to skill threes n stuff like that,  i think it will still pretty much the same thing for me.. even after years of patches.. i def try to move along lol, its not that im constantly talkinga about d3, but when ive read this news a month or two ago, i was WTF?! that was really outrageous.. so i had to express my dislikes toward that awful comment.. u are trying to defend their work, i understand, i was just trying to do the same, but with the previous team, i owe them lots of happy moments of my childhood.. anyways, sry again for the things i said b4, despite all that i enjoyed our exchange of personal views, u seem to know a lot of this matter.. see ya around..

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav it wasn't a matter of comprehension thou, maybe lack of attention plus the unconscious defensive state.. which was pointless cause i wasn't being attacked in the first place...

phrozac
phrozac

 @d4rkscourge  @kukumav Good to see you talking sense d4rk. I was a bit concerned for your mental state. I am not defending the actual game design. I am defending the honest efforts of the team itself and the quality of the visual presentation. It is a subjective arena, art. Like someone might think Warhammer 40K is the best thing in the world and hate Miyazaki style animation. Who is to say. I agree that Matt Uelman's soundtrack for D1 and D2 is superior as D3 is very conventional fantasy orchestrated music. I wasn't defending D3's music. Jay Wilson made a big mistake in posting what he did in public. You guys can hate on him all you want. Although I don't think his little slip is representative of the 50+ other people on the dev team. It just sucks to hear all the hate directed towards the team as a whole, when as a developer myself, you have responsibilities in your own area while other have responsibilities in theres. In Jay's case, the overall design of the game. He had nothing to do with art/audio/animation/programming...So D3 is the least of the series? Ok. Move along. Every series has it's highs and lows. Wow. Maybe try the game out in 6 months.

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav u re totally right lol, i messed up, and got cranked up with no sense at all..  i already acknowledged that b4, on my last msg.. sry again for all that nonsense.. 

phrozac
phrozac

 @d4rkscourge  @kukumav Wow. You really are thick headed. I am not making any judgments on any country other than the middle portion of the US. Read my last post. COMPREHENSION. Look it up. And then calm down. And have I once defend the game design? No. COMPREHENSION. You should stop replying to post with nonsensical rants that are completely off topic. You are hilarious.

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav it is not only the game design the thing i don't like, still i think that's the weakest point of d3, it is almost everything, even how cartoonish it looks.. u said b4 that d2 was cartoonish, ya it was.. but maintained a balance having mournful places, eerie atmosphere etc.. i even prefer d2 music, i don't mind keep talking about the game, but in a peaceful way..  i have to say, and take charge that i misunderstood some things that u said, it is true, i just read them again, and u weren't  talking anything about central or south america, as i did misunderstood at first the thing about FPS tech so i gave u the line to start talking about how bad my english is haha, by misunderstanding those things.. so i apologize.. cause that was my fault..i haven't insulted u thou, when i said worthless assholes.. i was talking about the ppl that can be stupid enough to invest money on d3, and since u said, u weren't one of those.. that's not for u to take, then i called u ignorant.. well, i take that back, since i spoke that out of anger.. the whole thing was my fault i agree, u were more tempered than me that's also true.. i have to say this, cause i just notice how dumb i was, and how i overreacted to something u didn't even said.. sry again.. u didn't deserved all those things, specially the ones from my last msg, i was blinded.. anyways, as far as diablo 3 goes, i still disagree with u in lots of ways.. but that's how life is.. 

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav poor level of education?? lol u have no idea.. english is not my main language.. so i think i do pretty good when it comes to it.. i wonder how good is your spanish or any other language besides english, to have 36 years old, u sure are childish enough to keep this conversation on, when u are not even discussing about the game anymore.. u are now just freely judging the education of a country u don't even know.. u boasts of US good education but im pretty sure, u cant point anything else besides US in a map,  like many american cant do.. if there is some1 that has bad education, that's the regular american citizen (certainly not all Americans are as ignorant as you thou, at least i want to believe that) who have the same retrograde thinking about foreign ppl like u do.. so i wont take that as an insult, in fact i value, and im very proud of my education, enough to notice i can be better than that.. that's how good your education is, that u generalize, instead of talking directly about my country, u think all central/south america is the same, and u couldn't be more wrong..  The one that has a myopic view of art (and of life in general) that would be u my friend.. since u don't know how to excercise reason, to notice that 75% of the ppl here thinks the same way i do about the game, u are not even listening or even trying to understand our solid points of view about why the game isn't the precious gem u are saying it is.. so it seems u cant stand d3s failure, that is not my problem, or anybody elses, i bet that unconsciously u know it sucks but u cant deal with it so i recommend u do some therapy haha.. and clearly u are the one that is taking this too personally, by starting to mess with other ppl personal things, like education, home country and stuff, i was just talking about a game.. so wash your mouth b4 u start talking about others ppls countries without even knowing of what the hell are u talking about... i can notice u dont have anything else coherent enough to say about d3 so u now begin to detract ppl... why don't u go and troll the hell out of some1 else??, im not the only one here that have the same thinking about your "masterpiece"  Anyway, this already got pointless enough for me to stop answering to your trolling from now on, a 36 man child that plays diablo 3, that's one hell of a title.. well earned if u ask me.. haha, catch u on the flip side man... have a good one!

phrozac
phrozac

 @d4rkscourge  @kukumav You have a very myopic view of game art my friend. You should keep your comments on the game design since that is your main concern as you have stated. Explain to me how my comments are immature in relation to the rants you are spewing? I haven't taken an extreme position as you have, and didn't engage in name calling or insults. All I did was make a comment on the poor level of education of middle America of the UNITED STATES. But you didn't get that, because you took it as a racist insult. Lighten up, buddy.

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav i think u are below your twenties, and that u don't developed any shit, u sound too immature.. you are just stunned by something about this crappy game, and like u said to kukumav, don't let your feelings affect your judgments towards gaming, i think u are blinded by D3 for some amazingly stupid reason.. maybe jay willson pays u (?) haha.. if u want aesthetics try looking for other games, real pieces of art, idk bioshock 1 for ex.. D3 isn't the mecca of gaming, or how every game should look like, so stop talking as if it were.. u shouldn't take it as inspiration, since the game is soooo flawed that looks unfinished.. and take notice that it took 10 fucking years to be made, so it shouldn't require any patches, since it took a decade to get it done....... geez, this already got old.. : /

phrozac
phrozac

 @kukumav  @phrozac Haha. I've been a game dev for 12 years and am now a freelance artist. I think D3 is aesthetically beautiful. Don't let your feelings for how the game plays affect your judgement in the visuals. Look again at D2. It was pretty goddamn colorful. Look at the D2 character art, pretty goddamn cartoony. I'd love to see your art.http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Diablo-2-Wallpaper-diablo-18654375-1600-1200.jpgThe game took 6 years for Irvine to make, btw. Bliz north worked on it from 2001-2005 and didn't have much to show for it. Trust me. I know.

rahl247
rahl247

game is good but there is a major flaw it does not make you want to keep playen. i mean drop rates where bad in d2 but not this bad. imo the way they did the skill tree sucked, no varity AT ALL

phrozac
phrozac

 @d4rkscourge  @kukumav Geez, so now I'm racist? As for someone who speaks two languages, you sure have a poor grasp on one of them. I happen to be 36, and my argument is much more tempered than yours d4rk. Try not to take everything so personally. It's a game, and you have a life I hope outside of it. Also, I was never claiming D3 to be a mecca of gaming, just defending it against some very opinionated color commentary. Cheers!

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav First of all im from south america, specifically Argentina.. what has that to do with anything?? does that mean i am inferior to u? or maybe i cant express my view just cause i live here.. haha.. flawed or not i can speak 2 languages, im not sure if u can say the same.. so leaving that aside, i did played diablo 2 from day1, and also played the first1, i have 26 yolds and ive been playing games for my whole life.. i remember all the patching, and how the game looked even b4 LOD, thou at that moment was already better than d3, cause i never talked about graphics aspects, i was referring to game mechanics, drop system, art (places and character design) the ways u had to get items, doing magic find runs, which btw was awesome (the best the game had)  i really miss the characters, i dont feel shit for the new ones.. so i did understand what u were saying about FPS TECH but still i don't get ur point, if u are saying that d3 will look good, just like d2 did after the tons of patches, u are wrong, u cant change a game from its core with a few 30mb patches, D3 has no solutions, and about the RMAH, which is what essentially screwed the game, if u think u can get the same equipment that anybody else without using that shit, you are TERRIBLY wrong.. cause they want u to use that shit, and will make u use it..  i used to have your same thinking about "ill not use the RMAH" but i found out it is pointless.. otherwise u need to be farming gold for the rest of your life, cause that's how stupid D3 is, in D2 u had to farm your own items, or buy them farming runes which was the money for D2 (that was really unique and well made if u ask me) besides working as rune words on some items, and i wont even talk about how they simplified the RPG aspects of the game, cmon im sure even u can see that, if it is true that u have played D2, the game is made now for kids and anyone can tell that, how simplified it is, how the world is more colorful, then u got the fact that this shitty game took 10 years to get finished, and its more flawed than my english hahaha.. anyways im not angry lol i just feel sry for u, besides being racist, u cant tell the difference between one golden gem of gaming, and the scam that D3 is, sucks to be u.. i think u took to many prozacs my friend haha, u should quit that shit.. anyways, no hard feelings, and good luck with D3 gold farming, SO FUN!! hahaha..

phrozac
phrozac

 @d4rkscourge  @kukumav Haha, don't  be so angry. I'm not one of those "worthless assholes" as I will never use the RMAH. Why bother with it? If you don't want to use it...don't use it. Also, I think your reading comprehension is flawed concerning my comment about tech from the latest FPS's. You must come from middle america. And I doubt you played D2 for the first year. If you did, you would remember all the patching required to make that game awesome. Rose tinting nostalgia, my friend.

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @phrozac  @kukumav i never quitted playing diablo 2, and sometimes i play the first diablo every few years when i feel nostalgic.. (few games have that tense atmosphere) it never was about graphics, or looks when it came to diablo, it was everything on it, im well aware about how the past 2 game looked.. in fact, i think diablo 2 will still be played for years too come, i cant say the same for D3, which is a complete fail, only for kids and ppl that dont know shit about how the game was..  aimed to take money from u without delivering anything that the other 2 games u called "not pretty" did..  tech from latest fps? haha wow.. awesome dude!!!!!!!.. that can lick my ballsack..  and about what u think, i cant really add much besides that, u cant tell the difference between an awesome game, and a piece of shit labeled the same way, but with nothing on it that resemble diablos old formula.. i already debated too much about this shitty game hhaha im done with it.. i suggest u go back and melt ur brain farming gold for your whole life or maybe u are one of those worthless assholes that use real money on the action house.. that would be even worse.. seeya buddy..  good luck with that!

phrozac
phrozac

 @d4rkscourge  @kukumav I played D1 and D2. Did you? Do you actually remember what D2 looked like? Not a pretty game. Not a good looking game at all. I suggest you install it again and have a run through. D3 is done with very skilled old school techniques. Don't be blinded by normal maps and tech from the latest FPS's. This is old school style art. No fancy tech. And very well done.Here is your lovely D2 character art. Nostalgia can be funny, huh? Also, if you played D2, you will remmeber that it took several patches to get to be the game we all love today. Have patience.http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18600000/Diablo-2-Wallpaper-diablo-18654386-1024-768.jpg

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @marcusmattingly i never said the guys were the devil neither or anything like it, i just dont understand why ppl like u say good things about them, when they are basically fucking every1 in the ass, including u.. all the things ive said b4, are based on facts, and things that most ppl think, u only need to look around on the comments to notice that.. plus i think something must have happened, if everybody has bad things to say towards wilson, and his team.. i never seen this happen on any other "flawed game".. u should think about that.. the guy, the team... they just used a name, to ensure sells without backing that up after the release, letting down millions of ppl.. 10 years to make this crap? i think i dont need to add more about this.. it is clear as water..

d4rkscourge
d4rkscourge

 @marcusmattingly oh and about laying down the 60 bucks, well maybe u didn't played the other 2 diablos.. but i did, as soon as they came out...so i was expecting to get the same formula with which the game gained that capital D "Diablo" name, maybe u didn't knew what to expect but i did.. i did saw everything u were saying (haven't played any beta thou), still nothing describes the game better than playing it.. so i had hopes, i had to buy the game that ive been waiting for 10 years, like happened with SC2 (which wasn't a letdown at all)..  lol so u are actually blaming me for making the mistake of having faith and expecting good things from one of the greatest companies of gaming??, are u stupid or what? don't u know the same thing happened to thousands+ ppl, not just me. they didn't purposely ruined the game no, but do they purposely screw with  all the customers? HELL ya, 1 word/4 letters = RMAH...i wont tell u all the shitty stuff it has cause it already making me wanna puke right-now, but ill just add this, they did sold "gazillion" copies, SADLY just cause they used that hard earned diablo name, to label a game which could be called any other way, and no one would notice that this were meant to be diablo 3, that = millions of ppl buying the game without blinking, just cause they read "diablo 3" so, over and out man, this already got old.. but i had to answer that thing about the 60bucks... was a spine on my back.. hahaha :P cheers