Deep Silver to PC gamers -- "We got your back"

Saints Row and Metro publisher CEO says company is not interested in creating its own DRM platform.

Saints Row and Metro publisher Deep Silver has a message for PC gamers: "We got your back." That's what the developer said today on Twitter, referencing a new interview CEO Dr. Klemens Kundratitz gave to Penny Arcade Report on the matter of PC piracy.

Kundratitz said many publishers shy away from launching the PC version of a game day-and-date with console not because developing for PC is difficult, but because they "fear the piracy issues."

He explained that Deep Silver has not contemplated creating its own DRM platform, like Origin from Electronic Arts or Ubisoft's Uplay. Ultimately, if Deep Silver can create compelling games, piracy won't matter, Kundratitz said.

"Uplay is not the way we want to approach things, definitely," he said. "I think we just need to make sure that the games we publish are worth the money, and certainly there is always this piracy situation that any publisher has. No publisher can tackle, really."

"In a business plan, we typically ignore [piracy]," Kundratitz added. "It's not something that is new; it's something that has been part of our business for decades. As a publisher you just live with it, yes?"

Deep Silver acquired the Saints Row franchise and developer Volition from THQ during the company's bankruptcy auction earlier this year. The company also scooped up the Metro franchise during the auction. Deep Silver's portfolio also includes franchises like Dead Island, Sacred, and Risen, among others.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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homefront2info
homefront2info

The only necessary DRM is cutting pirates out of the multiplayer version of the game.  This can be accomplished in most cases by removal of the LAN option and some other methods with networking.  Let the pirates steal the single player campaign and miss out on the multiplayer fun.

sakaixx
sakaixx

got a new rig last month so why do I have to pay a penny more for a game ? spend a fortune on that baby 

so_hai
so_hai

If piracy doesn't matter to them, why does setting a RRP?

mkeezay22
mkeezay22

Gravity_Slave are you really comparing pirating a game to stealing a car, those are so far apart you must be insane or you've just watched too many anti-piracy ads before movies.

Pirating a $60 game the person was never gonna buy to begin with is far from stealing a vehicle worth thousands of dollars someone worked hard to pay for and probably use to get back and forth from work and possibly get their kids to school.

You've just put up the flimsiest argument on GS congratulations

mbloof
mbloof

If they only sell/distribute via Steam they don't really need DRM do they? Sure, I bet there's some 'steam crack' lurking somewhere on the internet but really why bother with it? How much Steam based PC pirating is really going on these days? Any?

With the digital sale of the game linked with player forums a buyer can get a decent 'feel' for the quality and playability of a game pre-purchase from actual players and if you wait a few weeks or for a promotional coupon or sale the game is going to cost < =1/2 the $60 release cost. The chances of buying a dud are less and the cost is less so why bother trying to steal it?

While Steam does have those that for whatever reason hate it, its easy to use and at least it does not present me with a bunch of pop-up advertising that the two publisher created DRM platforms constantly bombard me with. Its less intrusive to my game play experience and its a simple few clicks to install a game I own on another box.

blobby-blobby
blobby-blobby

DRM is needed with PC games because the trend carries on. I have read PC gamers telling themselves that when they steal a game, they are not stealing it just using it as a kind of demo in case they don't like the game. People who steal games on PC actually believe they have a right to do so basically and most of the PC gamers standing up for the PC probs do it also. It's a bizzar platform with bizzar gamers and things, I don't think look good for PC because they will never get every game going to that platform at this rate.

Gruntlock
Gruntlock

If a publiser doesn't even have enogh faith in their games to try to protect them from theft, why should customers have faith in them? You only leave something unprotected if it's worthless.

PainMaker
PainMaker

As if piracy is tied to PC only..   Geez get your head out of your 'behind'.   There's looooads of piracy going on with PS3 and Xbox360 aswell.   So they might aswell just stop making games because there's always gonna be piracy, PC is not alone and never will be.

Heck, piracy on the consoles is even easier than on PC - without diving into that topic too deep.

nadavkra
nadavkra

Piracy is not an excuse. PC games have become more accessible due to online services like Steam, which brings offers and stimulate consumers. Of course it won't fade away completely, but ignoring the PC market is just plain stupid. Kudos to Deep Silver for having the guts to even reject a DRM platform.

mkeezay22
mkeezay22

More publishers are releasing their PC games on or close to the console release date now than in previous years, even Ubisoft has went from releasing Assassins Creed 8 months later to a shorter period every game, AC4 will be less than a month later.

Publishers need to understand they sell a lot of copies based on hype and when you wait to long hype dies down and hurts sales, they have to strike while the game is on every ones mind.

Or they can wait 3 years and sell it for 19.99 like Enslaved.

ConnollyUK
ConnollyUK

Developers always go on about piracy as if it's a PC exclusive thing, but you'll ALWAYS find pirated console games on the usual sites, sometimes days before their actual release.  I really do wish developers would at least acknowledge that piracy is not solely found on the PC.  Yes it's more prevalent because it's easier, but it is by no means an exclusive thing and is a piss poor reason for developers to not release something on PC.  

focuspuller
focuspuller

There is a massive sale going on right now for Deep Dish and Saints Row games at Steam. Saints Rows games and packs for 75% off including all the new stuff.

Hydra270
Hydra270

well for me if i want shooter its boring(hell COD2 that was intresting) i like more sandboxes and rpg games and some games for me arnt worth even 10mins to play then why should i pay if i would just trow it out in 10 mins after play and i cant even sell it anywere else. 

i have close to 100 games on steam and lets not go even in ps3/x360 games i have.

 i have taken games on preorder becouse i know they will be good. for now i have i wait x rebirth(took collectors edition hell i just love X games) and see were paradox goes with its series.

DAOWAce
DAOWAce

Any publisher that thinks like CD Projekt is a good publisher.

Game quality is an entirely different story though..

Munstable
Munstable

That's a smart way to not support piracy, I'd say.

DRM is like prohibition in the 20s, it only gives more motivation and power to the pirates.

Mr_BillGates
Mr_BillGates

Yes. Indeed. They will shoot PC pirates on the back.

RockZillaX
RockZillaX

I dont know .. yeah I can download any pirated game I wish.. I have in the past.. but maybe its an illness but I have bought physical games for a long time.. I have a massive collection in many formats but I was a little slow to adopt the digital game collection premise but now I have collected a vast library of Xbox/PS3 and Steam games.. I do oddly get a kick out of hunting around Getgamesgo, GMG, GOG and watching for bargains on certain sites to increase my digital collection.. I am only at around 150 Steam games but its growing.. Id far rather have no cracked software or games on my system.. hat way theres no registry problems and no worries running an antivirus not that I really ever do.. I am happy to pay for my games it also means i appreciate them a lot more.. I do however have a problem with the cost of some DLC.. Borderlands 2 alone's complete DLC has cost me on 2 systems around $300+ now thats just insanity.

Polygon_Pariah
Polygon_Pariah

@mkeezay22

The reason you never intended to buy it is because you already stole it. "

 .  ouch want some ointment for that burn mkeezay? lmao

dirty thief

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@mkeezay22

First off, learn how to reply to someone with the "@" symbol.  Anywho, Yes, I am comparing piracy to car theft because they both have something major in common.  Theft.  The fact that you can't piece this tidbit of common sense is whats really insane. 

You're problem, like that of any child with underdeveloped reasoning skills is to take the comparison literally.  The other part of this simple equation you just can't seem to tackle is the "intent to buy".  Because PC gaming piracy is so rampant and easy, a lot of people aren't paying for the product.  The reason you never intended to buy it is because you already stole it.  

Other than drawing you a picture or speaking to you in a tone I'd reserve for a dog or toddler, I'll try to explain with a scenario. So forget the car.

Everyone wants to see the new Blockbuster movie coming out but mkeezay22 doesn't want to pay for the ticket. So what does mkeezay22 do?  He sneaks in and doesn't pay.  No big deal, its not like you stole something physical, something like a car right? The show just keeps playing right?  They're not losing money, right?  No.  Now, here's where I think I'm losing you...

Now imagine millions more people just like you, did the exact same thing all over the country.  Where-as all those people wanted to watch the movie but had no intent of paying for the ticket.  Now had they paid for it, that money would have gone back into the studios and to pay all those hard working people you talk about.  And do you think any of these pirate movie goers intend on paying for their ticket afterwards if they liked the movie?  (like the try before you buy excuse) No.  So there is your loss.  Where the product is used and not paid for on a grand scale. Again, The fact that you never intended on paying for it is because you already stole it.  That makes you a thief.  And thieves steal cars too. Get it now?  

*Now I won't even get into all the pirate gamers playing on servers (like all the taken up seats in the movie theater) that aren't run for free and require maintenance and upgrades to keep things going.  I also won't mention how its unfair to the people that actually pay for what they use. These are the things you don't understand*.

Kickable
Kickable

@mbloof the majority of rips are are just that, cracked Steam versions.  The crack being a game .exe and a Steam .dll that just bypasses loading Steam client at all.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@blobby-blobby 

That's right.  Some of these people have a painful case of entitlement issues.  The delusional and sad part is that they pretend to "try before they buy" when in fact they never really buy it.  Just like if you were to sneak into a movie theater...do you honestly go back to the ticket booth to pay for afterwards if you liked it? NO!  Just like you never pay for your games when you're bored with them.  

MonocleOwl
MonocleOwl

@blobby-blobby

Remember the days you would get demos on a CD/DVD from that magazine your friend bought in a store? A bunch of freeware, shareware programs were on that thing also. 

Those days are long gone now, and instead we get a bunch of promotional trailers for a game making you go: "Ooooohh! Aaaaaahh!" Making you want to buy the game without you getting any real "feel" of how the game actually plays. You also get the whole Aliens: Colonial Marines fiasco, where what you see isn't what you get.

Piracy is bad, no doubt about it, i would guess people do it 'cause they see no alternative. But then again, what do i know...

Total_mischief
Total_mischief

@blobby-blobby Not that it makes it right, but the gamers that download the pirated versions as a demo aren't the issue. When they do, they'll buy the game if they like it, a game they wouldn't buy otherwise. I'm not trying to make this pass as legitimate, but the real problem comes from the people who burn the pirated version to DVDs to then sell them in flea markets, not from those mean "pirates" that will likely buy the game a few days after pirating it.

WolfgarTheQuiet
WolfgarTheQuiet

@Gruntlock the more security you put on your game the more hackers will want to take the challenge and crack it, but again no matter what protection you have, piracy will always be around, also note that a lot of people download a game of torrents, try it out then buy the game, i can say i downloaded F1 2013 and Alan Wake of torrents, last night i bought both games on steam, now my torrent download has affected the piracy percentage, but they don know that i bought the games, if piracy was that much of a big issue gaming industry wouldn't have been a giant that it is, same with movie and music industry, like Metallica for example suing website with their songs for free, but they make millions a year even with that, look at Immortal Technique, very independent artist, check him out, great music, he even asks his fans to download and share his music, he still makes enough money for great life and helping others in need, piracy is made to look worse then it actually is, to me that says greed, also people say don't pirate use eBay, same shit, i can put my game on eBay, developer wont see a cent of it, plus i can still make a copy for my self before putting it up for sale

blobby-blobby
blobby-blobby

@PainMaker  

We hear this so much from PC gamers defending their beloved and none of them can ever except that PC, FACT!, is much, much, much more rife with piracy than any other platform. Just except it because numbers don't lie and devs are not deluded idiots believing things that are not true. Just deal with the fact that piracy is massive on PC it isn't a personal dig at you...

vegard1985
vegard1985

@nadavkra I downloaded a LOT of games during my youth. This was before Steam scooped up the market. Now, it's much easier and more practical to buy the game instead. My Steam library is at 146 games now and is growing exponentially. I really hope PC gaming gets another boost from Valve with SteamOS and Steam Box. The market is big enough for everyone.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@nadavkra

You're right, piracy isn't an excuse, its one of the main issues though.  Think of the millions of thieves not paying for software and the money that they should have paid, that could have went back into the company to finance further development. This is one of many reasons for the lack of support. But Its not an excuse.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@mkeezay22

That couldn't be further from the truth if you strapped it to a rocket and launched it into space.  If anything, the PC releases are getting longer and longer.  How long did it take for you guys to finally get Diablo 3? 12 years?!  (Consoles got it less than a year after PC gamers)  Starcraft 2?  You're still waiting for GTA V and Red Dead Redemption and will be for a long time.  Its funny how you PC elitists keep spewing this self righteous rhetoric like you're "Still going strong" when in fact the PC gaming industry is on such a downward spiral it can't even get support from its own.  Still the master race? lol Enjoy your Steam Machine Console my lord.

DIGN
DIGN

@mkeezay22 Now THAT is something that made me scratch my head. Not only did I never expect to see Enslaved on the PC, I don't even care or want the game anymore even at $19.99. Anyone who wants that has already played it by now.

Polygon_Pariah
Polygon_Pariah

@ConnollyUK 

yeah but what you are forgetting and failed to mention is that piracy is more wide spread on the pc than consoles.  theres a big difference.  semantics

dysguised22
dysguised22

I think it's when publishers start to approach things as CDP (and now Deep Silver..we'll see) quality will increase. But when companies go the "we are a business about making money first, fun/innovation second" route...it seems to lower everything overall into a simplified, try-to-appeal-to-everyone game for the bottom line revenue. Yes, every game company wants to make money. My point is, CDP and now Deep Silver's approach is the more appealing one that if anything, will reduce piracy more than hardcore drm that just treats everyone like a thief, regardless if they bought the game legitimately or not.

vegard1985
vegard1985

@Munstable And I can't believe they haven't figured that one out yet. The nastiest PC DRM solution ever (imo), GFWL, seriously stopped me from buying games. Anything with Origin as well. I only buy Uplay games if I REALLY want them, like Watch Dogs. I was about to buy Far Cry 3 this summer during the Steam sale, but flinched just long enough to remember it had Uplay. 

Before anyone calls me a hypocrite; yes Steam is essentially a DRM platform as well. But it's also the biggest digital distributor of PC games, it updates and syncs games without bothering you and leaves a fairly small footprint on your system. And you can even play in offline mode. When buying games nowadays I usually only buy if it is on Steam or has a very high chance of coming to it later.

motorxd
motorxd

@RockZillaX You have a problem with the cost of DLC yet still spent $300+ on it...  Granted it is your money to do whatever you want with but you are exactly the type of person who has enabled this industry to sell you a game engine with most of the content held back only to be sold at a premium to you in small chunks later on.

This is why "voting with your wallet" doesn't work. Sure there will be people pissed off about the price/content of DLC but what is the point in complaining if you're just going to swallow that lump and throw them a wad of cash anyhow.  Stand up for what you believe, say it with me now.. "No Gearbox, not this time."  Come on.. say it!

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@Total_mischief @blobby-blobby What you think that once a person has downloaded the full version of a game and has the copy on their computer they would then delete the free copy and go out of their way to pay and redownload the same game?

People are pretty stupid, but they are still people and still human, and humans will take everything they can get as easily as possible. It is basically instinct.

If that were really true and people just downloaded a demo, piracy wouldn't be a massive problem would it?

WolfgarTheQuiet
WolfgarTheQuiet

@blobby-blobby the more security you put on your game the more hackers will want to take the challenge and crack it, but again no matter what protection you have, piracy will always be around, also note that a lot of people download a game of torrents, try it out then buy the game, i can say i downloaded F1 2013 and Alan Wake of torrents, last night i bought both games on steam, now my torrent download has affected the piracy percentage, but they don know that i bought the games, if piracy was that much of a big issue gaming industry wouldn't have been a giant that it is, same with movie and music industry, like Metallica for example suing website with their songs for free, but they make millions a year even with that, look at Immortal Technique, very independent artist, check him out, great music, he even asks his fans to download and share his music, he still makes enough money for great life and helping others in need, piracy is made to look worse then it actually is, to me that says greed, also people say don't pirate use eBay, same shit, i can put my game on eBay, developer wont see a cent of it, plus i can still make a copy for my self before putting it up for sale

nadavkra
nadavkra

@vegard1985 haha, same here. I don't think downloading qualifies young kids with no money/age to work for example as "thieves" and it's something that they just can't avoid. All these advertising and stimulation out there... They just want to be a part of it. Also, I don't think it's a big of a deal to a company when someone downloads an old game. With the advances of technology, games get obsolete pretty fast nowadays. Maybe it's time to put the word "abandonware" trending again. You know, I see some really old games being sold on Steam... Is it really that absurd to torrent a game released like, 15 years ago only because it's on Steam? I can't even see people paying for it.


In the end, piracy is not a good thing. But I clearly understand some cases and sometimes companies also try to explore the consumers, pricing something that could be downloadable for free nowadays (in this case, old games).

nadavkra
nadavkra

@Gravity_Slave I get your point, and even agree with it. But don't forget companies also have their flaws and they have to make sure the final product is totally worth the money, so I understand when people say they download to "try before buy", not to mention when a company explores the consumer with overpricing or releasing a bad/defectuous product. Respect and understanding should be mutual between companies and consumers before demanding it.

MonocleOwl
MonocleOwl

@Polygon_Pariah 

Probably 'cause more people have access to a computer than a gaming console, mainly 'cause a console is a specialized piece of hardware (you use it only for gaming), while the PC is (a lot) more diverse in its usage.

nomadski69
nomadski69

@Polygon_Pariah Your joking, right? You do know cracked console games come out well before the PC ones do? If you think Console piracy isnt absolutely rife, or easy to attain, then your really not thinking straight.

Its just that the console market is so huge, the larger number of pirates are relatively smaller as an overall percentage.

While we are on the subject of piracy, AC4 was available for download a number of days ago for consoles. No PC version out yet. Go figure.

dysguised22
dysguised22

You mean the part where he said "it's more prevalent because it's easier"?

There's no difference.

Redundant.

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

@motorxd @RockZillaX While I agree to some degree with what you're saying, DLC hocking sorts aren't necessarily just selling a shell of a game with content to follow. Borderlands 2 is a very awful example on RockZillaX's part, for example, as BL2 vanilla offers quite a bit without any additional investment. The DLC for BL2 (which costs less than $300, BTW), can really only be described as gratuitous icing on the already sufficient cake, as far as I'm concerned.

It's all a matter of what's worth the money they ask. Usually, the asking price is far too steep (I.e. CoD games), but that doesn't mean that DLC is inherently wrong. Expansion packs once inhabited the same market, and tended to be worthwhile, there's no reason DLC can't do the same, and it sometimes does.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

@@what_is_game

Protecting the CEO ? (you prob don't even know what CEO stands for)...what about the thousands of other workers expecting a paycheck that isn't in upper management.  You're stealing from them too.  In any case...you're an idiot. Get Flagged.

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

@Total_mischief @blobby-blobby Your "explanation" was the exact thing I was replying to. You know just because you say something doesn't make it correct.

You really think people will download a full game, play it for a bit, then uninstall it and go out and buy the full game? A game which they have just been playing on their computer for free? They are going to remove that free version and go and pay money for another copy?

I don't know about you buy that seems like a lot of hassle for people who aren't even willing to try their luck buying a game. And from my experience people don't take kindly to paying to be inconvenienced which is essentially what they would be doing if they did what you say they do.

The planet is full of lazy fucktards and most of them are the reason we have piracy in the first place.

Total_mischief
Total_mischief

@Dannystaples14 @Total_mischief @blobby-blobby I literally just explained what is the bigger part of the problem and you managed to completely ignore it. Also don't pretend to know the first thing about "human nature", there are tendencies but, contrary to popular belief, not everyone's a moron. You should first take the time to read and understand what's in front of you before making a comment on stupidity.

Kickable
Kickable

@Gruntlock @Daemoroth I couldn't hear your argument because the non-stop gushing over the series by everyone else is so loud.

Daemoroth
Daemoroth

@Gruntlock That's your opinion then, I disagree with you quite fervently but I'll leave it at "different strokes". :)

vegard1985
vegard1985

@nadavkra If they're trying to charge 10 euros for it, which by the way is definitely not equivalent to 10 USD - then I could understand it. For the most part though, the games are dirt cheap, especially during sales which is when I pick up most games, so even with my limited income (student); I can binge now and then. 

mkeezay22
mkeezay22

@parrot_of_adun @motorxd @RockZillaX True many games offer great DLC that is simply meant to add to the experience and was obviosly developed after the game to extend it's lifespan, profitability, and replay value.