David Cage calls on industry to 'grow up'

Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls boss frustrated with developers' reluctance to broach more mature material, believes industry is beset by Peter Pan syndrome.

Speaking to Gamasutra at Gamescom this week in Cologne, Germany, Quantic Dream boss David Cage said he is fed up with the industry's unwillingness to embrace more mature subject material.

Cage wants the industry to leave Neverland.

"I think we should have more courage in our industry and take more risks, because I think this is what the industry needs now," Cage said. "I mean, how many first-person shooters can you make? How many monsters/aliens/zombies can you kill in games? There's a moment where we need to grow up. We need to grow up."

Cage claimed the industry is currently plagued by the "Peter Pan syndrome," a reluctance to mature as embodied by the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up. He said this mentality should not be allowed to persist.

This is not the first time Cage has called on the industry to branch out. Last month, the developer claimed the industry would die without innovation, further noting that while shooters will "always be successful," new ideas will benefit the business.

Cage is currently working on Beyond: Two Souls, a new narrative-focused PlayStation 3 game that he claims will be emotional, mature, and unique. Juno and Inception actress Ellen Page will provide the voice and likeness for the game's mysterious young woman, Jodie Holmes.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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hypgnosis
hypgnosis

Gamespot's next article should be titled: "We choke on yet another load from David Cage OMFG tastes so good!"

I_are_Cake
I_are_Cake

Spec Ops: The Line, BioShock, & Deus Ex: Human Revolution are very mature shooters. We need more games like those & the narrative brilliance that people like David Cage bring out.

MVan86
MVan86

Cage's comment simply sounds self serving: "My vision of what makes a good and mature game is right and everything else isn't mature."

SoreThumbsBill
SoreThumbsBill

This guy needs to get off his moral high horse. Heavy Rain was an ok game and not as phenomenal as Cage thinks it was.

csward
csward

Amen, preaching to the choir Cage.

 

More games like Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, and other Rockstar games please. 

Hrodwulf666
Hrodwulf666

 @DIGN Good call, nice mention of MOH, which in my opinion carried a huge emotional weight to it and exposed the tragic reality and high risks that soldiers all face, a thing which most games avoid. Dealing with the fall out.

Now THATS adult. HOW many protagonists just die off in the COD series without even a mention???? 

 

BUT we all aknowlege this as a problem! Once again this guy is waxing lyrical about what he thinks and just leaving us with industry jargon and buzz words. He's really not saying ANYTHING we haven't already thought or wished for, he' just spewing out what he thinks we want to hear. Its THAT simple. This guy isnt breaking any barriers. he meeting industry mile stone neck a neck with other devs.. he's NOT blazing any trails. 

 

If he wants to be more adult, ill send him my Tax papers... Patronizing B*****d. 

DIGN
DIGN

Too bad most of us are trying to do that, but when you have dumb parents buying their kids CoD4: MW v1.3 every year and then companies like Activision, Infinity Ward, and Treyarc influencing them to buy it we get stuck with this crappy infinite loop-hole where only one game can prevail. 

 

   I don't agree with shooters making the industry not "mature" or "grow-up" it's the fact that CoD ruined the market for any other game especially shooters. You can have a mature shooter that draws out emotion, I know that Medal of Honor(2010) almost yanked a tear at the end, MoH had the best story out of current "modern shooters" but since it wasn't CoD it was tossed aside and overlooked by alot of people.   If you haven't played it you can pick it up for like $10 now, though the game might be a bit dated now.

Zeeksie
Zeeksie

The first time I kind of agree with this guy.

JulyAeon
JulyAeon

Mostly agree, after all the hype of "new" games I always feel they weren't really new and certainly not innovative, just re-packaged. Such a downer. There are so many mature players out there hungry for really new ideas. They still haven't cottoned on to the fact that adults like to use games consoles and pc's for their enjoyment. Yet everything is geared up for children. How they are able to sell more grown-up orientated games will be a challenge though, seeing how many parents buy certain shooter/war games for their very imature offsprings even when they know they are in the wrong...

vault-boy
vault-boy

He's right. There will always be a place for games that don't deal with mature themes, great games from Mario to Halo, but we are a young art that still needs to grow up. We need to start being more mature with our art, we need to tackle the themes that we haven't yet, and we need to do it seriously. There is so much that we can show through this medium, and it can only serve to make the industry better. I am not saying that all games have to be mature, Hell a part of being a mature adult means you have to admit you still like things that aren't mature (every person likes at least one thing that's immature), but we can't just sit where we are at.

worlock77
worlock77

Too bad 'Heavy Rain' was not particular emotional, mature or actually fun. I played through it all the way out of curiosity, but to my view it really does not deserve the acclaim that it has received.

jark888
jark888

I really enjoy playing Heavy Rain. I think it is a valuable game ,and I'm definitely looking forward to Beyond : Two Souls ;D

Hurvl
Hurvl

Perhaps he also wants the industry to stop (Peter) Pan-dering to the people who don't want games to be deep, difficult and long. I know I do.

camyers1310
camyers1310

The industry need to approach subject matter more maturely. And I mean in the sense of Dead Island. While the game itself (mechanics, violence, story, yada yada.....) may not have been 'innovative' or 'mature'. Look at that trailer. THAT was mature. While zombies are old news that trailer struck an emotional chord with me. It was POWERFUL to watch that family's demise. With the right music, correct shots, and setting, they created a very mature theme in an otherwise immature setting.  I truely believe THAT is what Cage is talking about. We need more emotional impacting story. Not necessarily more Heavy Rain but again, Dead Islands trailer is a prime example of what I mean.

Serpentes420
Serpentes420

I think by "mature" what Mr. Cage really means is serious.  But what I believe he tends to forget is that a video game has the word..game in it.  Meaning it should be fun.  Now the only work of Mr. Cage's I've played is Heavy Rain, and while I could use many positive adjectives to describe that game (such as different or interesting) fun is not one that comes to mind when I think of Heavy Rain. 

 

I do not believe games cannot be both serious and fun though, plenty of fun games have serious themes, Bioshock immediately springs to mind.  It was a fun game that touched on very serious themes.  I hope with Beyond David Cage manages to be both serious and fun, but he shouldn't lecture an industry that is about entertainment for not being artsy enough for his taste or demand that developers spend AAA development money on games that will sell like indie games.  The movie industry has the major studios for big blockbusters and indy studios for high minded films, the game industry has went much the same way and in the end the consumer has plenty of options to choose from in both instances.

warhawk-geeby
warhawk-geeby

You tell em Mr Cage!!!

 

Fully agree with EVERYTHING.  Man knows his brown excrement.

Ameriggio
Ameriggio

I think Beyond: Two Souls (with the voice of Ellen Page) is one of the strongest reasons to buy PS3. 

nonfanboygamer1
nonfanboygamer1

I hear where he's coming from. Retailers/publishers aren't taking many risks on games that are creative and different.

Razer361
Razer361

Games don't need to grow up. At least not in the way he's talking about. I just think he wants to see explicit gore and sex in every game. A game can be "mature" without being rated mature.

Senor_Kami
Senor_Kami

It's unfortunate, but I think David Cage is ultimately calling for more diversity in the industry and people are interpreting it as David Cage saying that only one type of game should be made, the total opposite of his point.  He's not saying that every game should be super serious and mature.  He's just saying that SOME should, and it shouldn't be relegated to low budget $10 XBL/PSN/Steam games.

 

He is pretty much the only one in the industry putting AAA-shooter budgets behind titles that aren't based around shooting people up, racing cars, etc.

interrasteral7
interrasteral7

David Cage can talk about the video game industry to grow up while sadly Activision is selling millions of Call of Duty video games. The only people that should grow up are the gaming audience, not the video game industry (except Activision, EA, Ubisoft, and Crapcom).

The-Neon-Seal
The-Neon-Seal

If you ask me there arn't enough good, honest fun childrens games around. We have what? Lego stuff (yay!), Little big planet and rachet & clank which has been hit and miss this generation. Also, what wrong with shooting aliens, robots and giant, irradiated lizards?

kakanoucia
kakanoucia

While I agree that there needs to be more innovative ideas in the industry, it's the audience that needs to grow up.  It's not difficult to keep an eye on games that aren't shooters with aliens, zombies etc. It is more to do with the millions of people buying the same game year after year (which blows my mind, how are people not tired of Call of Duty?).  I'm looking forward to playing the waves of downloadable games on psn and Steam, none of which are shooters.David Cage has too much ego to take seriously, Heavy Rain had clever concepts, but for a game that is driven by the story, there were WAYYYY too many plot holes, plot conveniences, terrible terrible voice acting, mediocre to bad writing and so on and so forth.

Albaficas
Albaficas

 @MVan86 and he is right

had enough with all these michael bay games PEGI  for eveyrone craps we get just for quick bucks

 

hate more plz 

Albaficas
Albaficas

 @SoreThumbsBill the fact is heavy rain was the best storytelling game the past 2 generations 

 

go back to train bandwagon CoD and shut it thx

Nick_Atreides
Nick_Atreides

Also, name calling (especially with curse words) further discredits anything relevant you have to say.

ryangcnx-2
ryangcnx-2

 @DIGN I agree, there are many parents that just don't care. My future kids will not be playing these games until they are old enough. Also, I have never had a Shooter draw out emotions, only RPG's have done that for me.

 

But also, it seems half the parents out there don't even take a few minutes to read up on their console purchase to realize they can set parental controls up to prevent their kids from playing these games. 

csward
csward

 @DIGN Parents take their kids to R movies too. I want my games for grown ups and parents can learn to control  what their kids play, imagine that!

Albaficas
Albaficas

 @worlock77 the game was emotional,was mature

and it deserved all the awards and praise it got

 

go back to yoru shooter kid..let the mature gamers do the talking here kkthxbb

Albaficas
Albaficas

 @Hurvl you right,he's games are for mature ppl and with some brains actaully...something u clearly dont have so hey..plenty of CoD games and marios for you out there so why dont u go play these kid games and let the mature gamers do the talking here ? kkthxbb

vault-boy
vault-boy

 @camyers1310 I child dying isn't mature, its a cop out. True maturity involves character, not just death.

kavadias1981
kavadias1981

 @Senor_Kami I agree. But just like the film industry, the game industry has become a very risky place to do business. As such, companies tend to focus their efforts on action games, just like film companies do with action films, as they bring is the greatest return on their investment. It is a shame that small, mature, and frankly beautiful games/films are overlooked as a result of this, but it is as interrasteral7 pointed out, it is the audience that is the issue here, not the developers. 

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

 @Senor_Kami But their are AAA platformers, shooters, racers, sports, fantasy, beat em ups, etc etc etc, but people just want to focus on hating certain games. People keep saying for example that there are too many shooters, but if you look at the most recent reviews, it will give you the last 10 games reviewed and none of them are shooters. And people say there is too much CoD, but how many games a year are released? How many of those are CoD?

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

 @interrasteral7 Why is the first game anyone ever mentions in a negative way CoD there are other games out there folks, if you don't like it don't buy it. But there is a reason it sells so good, its fun which is why most people play games, for fun. And I personally enjoy the campaigns in CoD they are well written and well presented.

Razer361
Razer361

 @The-Neon-Seal LBP and the Lego games aren't children's games. They are actually family games. Children's games are more like some of the games on Kinect.

MVan86
MVan86

 @Albaficas No he's not right. not all shooters or action games are for people who haven't 'grown up' - besides what does that even mean? Am I only grown up if I take everything ultra seriously?

 

He's merely expressing his own personal opinion, in a highly self-serving way (by including a plug for his previous games and since more of his games will follow the same path).

Hrodwulf666
Hrodwulf666

 @Albaficas   I made my point and a cogent argument, I'm sorry it didn't match yours and that you got your balls in a twist about it. No I'm not going to shut it, not for the likes of you. If you choose to be taken in by this guys rhetoric then that's fine, but don't condemn me for having a contrary opinion, neither should you be attacking anyone else on this thread that expresses a contrary opinion to your own. You think he has a point? His point is something so obvious that we all already acknowledge it, he just repackages the ideal in in his own words.

Nick_Atreides...  Welcome to the world. I can see you also have trouble with people expressing ideas that you don't recognize as relevant. I can see how you might object if I actually used real uncensored expletives, yet I didn't, I used one word that I starred out. I can only surmise that when you refer to name calling and "type like this" that you are also outraged that I maintain an objective standpoint to this mans transparent verbal offerings. This is what I believe, I have made no effort towards trolling, I simply stand against this guy and his ego satisfying posturing and I am entitled to do so. There's not much that I hate more than blind aggressive fanboyism. I can speak out against whoever I want as long I don't attack them personally. 

worlock77
worlock77

 @Albaficas 

Right, since I don't like this game you like then I must be a 14 year-old 'Call of Duty' fanatic right? Call me "kid" all you want, but understand this: I've been playing video games for 30 years now.

 

As to 'Heavy Rain': it was basically one drawn out quick-time event with all the ham-fisted emotion of a daytime soap opera.

Hurvl
Hurvl

 @Albaficas First of all, it's nice of you to respond to a 2 month old comment. Second of all, I did not criticize David Cage in any way in my previous comment, it was actually the opposite. I said that I wanted the industry to stop pandering to the amount of gamers who don't like deep, complex games. I like deep, complex games and if you would have read my comment, instead of writing an insulting response with poor spelling, you would have understood that.

Ameriggio
Ameriggio

 @stan_boyd  @Senor_Kami No, people say that "there is too much CoD" because they don't want to play the same game every year, me too. Yes, it was cool to see a lot ot special effects in every Call of Duty, to end the WWII/save the world from a nuclear war. But people are tired of all of that.

The Call of Duty series must have a rest for several years to think about the future of CoD, or even create a new game.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

 @Senor_Kami Also everyone praises the 90's for me the 90's were crap, there were ALOT of turn based RPG's and they bore the hell out of me.

interrasteral7
interrasteral7

 @stan_boyd

 You mean bad video games like Medal of Honor (2010) and Battlefield 3 that EA said was better than Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 but is not. Battlefield 3 and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 were bad in ther own ways, but Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 is the exact same video game as Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare with not even a little change to the gameplay and the campaigns are short.   

kakanoucia
kakanoucia

 @stan_boyd Have you also tried Spec Ops?  Military shooter with a great story, if CoD provides you with interesting stories, I think you'll find plenty to enjoy in "Spec Ops: The Line" in that department.  It's a little more like Black Ops in terms of the type of story it is telling.  Unless you prefer the over-the-top action that the Modern Warfare games provide.  People just aren't willing to try out these other games because the name "Call of Duty" or "Battlefield" isn't slapped on the cover.  Don't get me wrong, the Call of Duty games are definitely high quality games, I just think it needs a break for other games to get some of the spotlight.  That's what is hurting the industry.