Dark Souls 2 graphics downgrade claims addressed by From Software

Dark Souls II developer From Software says games are "constantly being balanced" during their creation, following claims that the final game did not live up to the visual quality of prerelease footage.

From Software has responded to claims that the final version of Dark Souls II did not match the visual quality of the game's prerelease footage.

"Throughout the game development process, a game is constantly being balanced not only in game playability, but also in the realm of resource management,” a From Software representative told MCV.

Dark Souls II was released last week to critical acclaim, but some people were concerned that the final game did not look like they expected. YouTube user HypeBitHero, for instance, compared scenes from the final build of the game with those shown back in April 2013.

In response, From Software added that “a developer is always challenged with creating the most rewarding gaming experience while delivering continuity in graphical quality, gameplay dynamics, and balance within the game."

"The final version of Dark Souls II displays the culmination of this delicate balance and we’re very proud of the positive media and fan reception for the game.”

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dannydopamine8
dannydopamine8

Would be perfectly fine and excusable but whats the excuse for the downgrade in the pc version? Developer laziness just like every other game on earth

Clovergirl227
Clovergirl227

It might be the low-powered consoles that play them. Lets' wait for the PC version to see if it has been downgraded or not.

RSM-HQ
RSM-HQ

Maybe the first Soul game that I've invested in, but is the graphics really a deal breaker? 


The game itself has other issues that seem more essential to be the developers current concern. Which I hope are console patched and be the main focus for the PC version. Graphic-hogs obsession with 'lighting' is one thing, but these issues are all current and effect what really matters. Gameplay!


So much screen tearing/ 

Occasional hitboxes not responding during successful attacks (Prime cause of my combat deaths)/

Menus load up delay can take up to thirty seconds/

Enemies vanishing, and, or reappearing behind you instantly/


Tell me all these are less important than a graphical upgrade? Do so, and I wonder why you play games period!

.

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

Yet again people moaning about graphics on another game. Dark Souls & Demon's Souls were never about graphics, they are always about the gameplay. Since when did that all change for dark souls 2?


The game is great, and if you can't look past the graphics then you are just pathetic really and missing out on loads of fun.

kalliati
kalliati

I put consumers into 2 categories. Those who pre-order games and those who wait. 


Those who pre-order get all caught up in the false advertising and manipulative marketing strategies then get underwhelmed and disappointed with what inevitably happens when the game is released.


Then there are those who already know this and wait for the title to be released, reviewed, and make a judgement call on if they find the game will be worth their money now or wait until the price drops.


I will never accept manipulative marketing strategies used like what "From Software" did and think its insulting they get away with it but i'm sure its not first or last time we'll fall for it. As the old saying goes, "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

baldy40
baldy40

I see a lot of apologists flooding the comment section. Let me make one thing clear - I'm no PC elitist - and certainly no graphics snob. I gleefully enjoy a myriad of titles across many platforms, and generally speaking, a game's graphical fidelity is fairly low on my list of priorities. 


But...

Those that are saying 'graphics don't matter', or, 'this downgrade isn't that big of a deal', are horribly mistaken. Among Dark Souls' most fundamental qualities, is its unwavering, smothering, melancholic atmosphere. That atmosphere has been gutted - and in some areas, entirely lost

When I see the pre-release footage, I see a cold, grey, unforgiving & forgotten world - one that harbors reprieve only in the warm vicinity of the occasional bonfire. 


When I look at the final game, I only see hollow remnants of that world. It looks like the developers took a hammer to not only the graphics, but the very art style


Not only that - but we've been seeing footage of this game in an unmolested state forMONTHS before release. There was no indication of this graphical underhauling - no reasonable explanation for this sudden & unwarranted graphical dissection. This conversation shouldn't be the age-old slapping contest between PC elitists & console fanboys. It needs to be about false-advertising and a gross lacking of developer transparency. 

Perhaps this graphical downgrade was necessary. But we should have known about it. There is no excuse for tight-lipped development on this scale. When you defend this graphical downgrade & its covert implementation, you are defending unacceptable, anti-consumer marketing practices. Criticism is what helps artists improve - it's what helps keep games like Ride to Hell: Retribution in the deep, dark holes they belong in. 

You aren't helping anybody by ignoring an issue. In doing so, you are merely creating a bigger problem. Call us whiny, bratty - or most foolishly of all, 'entitled'. But we have a right to be upset - as consumers who were falsely baited with a product not representative of the final version, we have an obligation to point it out. When you pretend nothing is wrong - when you put your fingers in your ears & say "lalalalalala", you are telling developers that it's A-Okay to deceive us this way...

MirkoS77
MirkoS77

It still makes no sense.  I understand that things are always being balanced throughout development, but these were drastic changes that occurred literally right before release.  RIGHT before it.  You'd think at the beginning (or at the very latest) the middle of production the team would come to the understanding that they wouldn't be able to pull it off.  This wouldn't be something that would come to light a a few weeks or even a month before it hits the shelves.


Also, things such as the abundance of torch sconces that go underutilized say to me that this was not an issue throughout development.  I just don't get why it was so sudden.  As if they were playing a slide-show while making it but were fine with it, then decided to utterly gut the game at the last minute.  It just doesn't make sense.  It's far too abrupt a change and stinks, IMO.



SpLiTMaN
SpLiTMaN

pre release trailers and gameplay...pc made...released games...consoles....What Did you expect?????? i didn't even buy it on my p3 just waiting for the pc release...although I'm hopefull that they made the good choice and won't have to fudge around for 3 days patching 3rd party fixes again....

aardvark1983
aardvark1983

Don't worry, Dark Souls 2 will have decent graphics after they release the DLC: HD Pack!


What did you think you were doing, just testing the standalone game? DLC: HD to the max! (settings, that is)

solidsnake_cs
solidsnake_cs

The argument of 8 years old machines is not true. MGS: Ground Zeroes run on the same 8 years old machines and look A LOT better. Its just an excuse of BAD PROGRAMMING.

SphinxDemon
SphinxDemon

I really just hope it comes out look decent for PC

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kevinvegda
kevinvegda

Good guys FromSoft. Saying politely that "Your consoles can't run shit".

cws3e
cws3e

I personally don't think it looks that bad, but clearly we now live in a world of graphic snobbery.  The game play is tight and the game is fun to play.  Those are the most important things and I'm happy to have the game as is.

hitomo
hitomo

you dont play console games for graphics, how can you?

ScottOakley
ScottOakley

Better graphics won't make you die less.

sandernightsite
sandernightsite

If PC version will look that bad.. blame the consoles >_>

Seifer24
Seifer24

hopefully the pc version will be better


Diggfinger
Diggfinger

Framework is better and the game runs slightly faster. So, ok trade-off I presume. The game-play kicks ass so thats pivotal. 

kingdmnro
kingdmnro

The gameplay is good but good graphics add to the atmosphere of a game, especially in a dark universe like the one we find in darksouls. Other PS3 games achieved good graphics without being AAA.
Darksouls 2 was possible due to the success of DS1 so they had money to spare for decent looking graphics since they don't have celebreties doing the voice cast, they did not spend that much on the marketing campaign compared to titles like GTA5, AC4, Titanfall, etc. So no freaking excuses for this shitty ps2 graphics, the game looks like Demon Souls, that was acceptable back then but don't go and defend this shit in 2014.

toffifee
toffifee

I'm just gonna say this. Who the hell cares? As long as it runs well, I don't care at all.

bongsyas_23
bongsyas_23

this is why the PC version is most of the time the best version

Vrygar777
Vrygar777

The game has its problems, but that doesn't change it from being one of the best games released in a while. 

As others have said, graphics don't make a game, the gameplay does.

t0taldj
t0taldj

Wow, although I have deep respect for From Software and their games. This is just RIDICULOUS! That is plain false advertising. They probably racked up a lot of pre-orders because of that demo.

justin01
justin01

Yea I didn't think this was going to affect me, I mean I was fine with dark souls. But after seeing the difference, I just feel bleeeehhhurrgh. I stopped playing on my PS3 and now am waiting for the PC version. Can I use the ps3 controller for this on PC? I hope so.

commanderxp90
commanderxp90

I do not care about the graphic, but I just enjoy playing it for all day!

Aaronp2k
Aaronp2k

@kalliati  ur an idiot. this game is amazing and you let something as meaningless as graphics stand in the way of you playing it. pathetic.


would you rather have the bad frame rates dark souls 1 had?


they reduced the graphics to balance the game like it says in the article. What do you expect from a game that has barely any loading screens?

tremulant1
tremulant1

@baldy40 you either haven't actually played the game or you really need your eyes checked bro

baldy40
baldy40

@SpLiTMaN  Do you really think you be getting that beautiful footage from April.  When it hits Retail.

baldy40
baldy40

@kevinvegda  My concern is that the PC version will look like crap too.


When asked on twitter about whether the PC version will look like the demo footage, From said they are only working on increasing the resolution and frame rate. They did not mention the lighting anywhere.

Darkhol0w
Darkhol0w

@kevinvegda Politely or not..it is true. Trying to get their game running on ancient hardware with 512 ram is indeed quite a feat.

vackillers
vackillers

@cws3e Yep agreed doesn't look that bad really it just doesn't look next gen I thnk thats the problem certain peeps are having issue with.I do think however it could definitely look a bit better but didn't really like the response though didn't explain or touch on anything at all that people have been complaining about, going around the questions like a politician. Of course game changes dramatically through its development, kind of a stupid thing to say in my opinion.

kindlewithcare
kindlewithcare

@kingdmnro  Go play a PS2 game and realize how dumb that comment was. It looks far better than Demon Soul's as well. I think you guys are crazy trying to make those comparisons. 

baldy40
baldy40

@toffifee   It appears that even though the downgrade.  It still suffers very bad in frame drops stuttering menu lags.  From the Tutorial level all the way to the mines.  Mines as terrible drops like a blight town even though it's a bland level, so I cant understand why its so terrible.  At least blight town had a better interesting level design to look at. Using summons here its even worse also.

Darkhol0w
Darkhol0w

@bongsyas_23 You mean all the time (in terms of graphical fidelity that is). 

If it doesn't get ported properly to PC it isn't.

DeKuip
DeKuip

@t0taldj  They're just falling inline with the trend that EA, ubisoft etc have started years ago.

Every pre video footage of every game released these day's is way better then the when it actually comes out.

Dont understand the suprize by so many people. Its old news!!!

RELeon
RELeon

@justin01 Yeah, I'm almost 100% positive you will be able to use console controllers on the PC version.

baldy40
baldy40

@Aaronp2k  Maybe you don't follow what people are saying.  It's the lies.   So your point is moot.  

The final version of Dark Souls II displays the culmination of this delicate balance and we’re very proud of the positive media and fan reception for the game.

Are you sure about that ? It's the same fans that complained about the graphics textures etc in the first place for you to respond.  Do you think the casuals are complaining.  Nope don't think so.


It strange that no reviewer didn't even say anything about the frame rates and textures graphics in there review. 


baldy40
baldy40

@tremulant1 @baldy40  Well what statement is that?  Explain yourself.  I make valid points.

You can't make me feel like you do.  You merely skipped all what I said and come up with retarded words.

baldy40
baldy40

@DeKuip  I didn't think FROM would have done this.  With being a small developers. It could really hurt them in the long run.  They should have been up front.

toffifee
toffifee

@RELeon @justin01  I think you have to use some program for PS3 controller. Maybe not, but somewhere in my mind I think I couldn't use it with games. Xbox controller works like a charm though.

RSM-HQ
RSM-HQ

@baldy40 Define casual? I'm new to the Soul series but due to the extreme games I do play Dark Souls hardly seems as hardcore as the hype-train advertises, or its dedicated fans.


Attack atterns are predictable & most enemies move at a funnily slow pace (It's almost in slow motion)


Haven't lost one Invasion either so that's funny, have a level 215 on NG+, Berserker sword & Manslayer are awesome BTW.


If 'casuals' are the only ones not complaining about graphics, guess that makes them more about the gameplay?


Which currently needs a patch or two, compare this lock on gameplay to DMC3 and it's pretty flawed. All the same is still decent, but needs a good spit shine. 


Because I didn't follow this game personally & grabbed it at a whim guess I didn't mind the downgrade, so I see you guys feel betrayed, or whatever. But don't start saying your a casual if graphics mean little. It's the otherway round.


Casuals care for graphics more than tight mechanics.

baldy40
baldy40

@tremulant1 @baldy40   Well that why I split it for you. And of course it not shit as you put it.

Part 1 THIS IS TRUE

Part 2 My feelings.

I RESPONDED. And yet you still can't come up with anything then silly words.  

So again tell me what you don't like about my post.  I'm still here waiting.

baldy40
baldy40

@tremulant1 @baldy40 THESE ARE MY FEELINGS I see a lot of apologists flooding the comment section. Let me make one thing clear - I'm no PC elitist - and certainly no graphics snob. I gleefully enjoy a myriad of titles across many platforms, and generally speaking, a game's graphical fidelity is fairly low on my list of priorities. 


But...

Those that are saying 'graphics don't matter', or, 'this downgrade isn't that big of a deal', are horribly mistaken. Among Dark Souls' most fundamental qualities, is its unwavering, smothering, melancholic atmosphere. That atmosphere has been gutted - and in some areas, entirely lost

When I see the pre-release footage, I see a cold, grey, unforgiving & forgotten world - one that harbors reprieve only in the warm vicinity of the occasional bonfire. 


When I look at the final game, I only see hollow remnants of that world. It looks like the developers took a hammer to not only the graphics, but the very art style

baldy40
baldy40

@tremulant1 @baldy40 THIS IS TRUE Not only that - but we've been seeing footage of this game in an unmolested state forMONTHS before release. There was no indication of this graphical underhauling - no reasonable explanation for this sudden & unwarranted graphical dissection. This conversation shouldn't be the age-old slapping contest between PC elitists & console fanboys. It needs to be about false-advertising and a gross lacking of developer transparency. 


Perhaps this graphical downgrade was necessary. But we should have known about it. There is no excuse for tight-lipped development on this scale. When you defend this graphical downgrade & its covert implementation, you are defending unacceptable, anti-consumer marketing practices. Criticism is what helps artists improve - it's what helps keep games like Ride to Hell: Retribution in the deep, dark holes they belong in. 

You aren't helping anybody by ignoring an issue. In doing so, you are merely creating a bigger problem. Call us whiny, bratty - or most foolishly of all, 'entitled'. But we have a right to be upset - as consumers who were falsely baited with a product not representative of the final version, we have an obligation to point it out. When you pretend nothing is wrong - when you put your fingers in your ears & say "lalalalalala", you are telling developers that it's A-Okay to deceive us this way...

baldy40
baldy40

@tremulant1 @baldy40  Now which part don't you agree on in my post?  Explain don't beat around the bush.

baldy40
baldy40

@tremulant1 @baldy40  This really is a isn't a opinion.  These are facts regarding the graphics. 

And also there is thousands who agree.  Why do you think.  From made a statement.  After all the fans complained.  So it true. 

DeKuip
DeKuip

@baldy40 @DeKuip  Well now you know better. Companies earning so much money are going to screw you over someway or a nother.


Now you know never trust a promo video again!