Curt Schilling claims Amalur IP is groundbreaking, worth $1 billion

Ahead of auction next month, founder of bankrupt 38 Studios says no one has achieved what his company did with fantasy series.

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The Kingdoms of Amalur IP--including Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning and the MMO codenamed Copernicus--represents a billion-dollar opportunity if someone picks it up at auction next month, 38 Studios founder Curt Schilling said today on Twitter.

"If someone were to buy Amalur, put team back on it, it's a billion dollar franchise," Schilling said. "2 years later and still no ones done what we we're doing."

Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter estimated last year that the Amalur MMO could fetch $20 million. Schilling, however, was likely referring to the potential for the franchise, not just the game.

Few details on Copernicus are known. Following its bankruptcy in summer 2012, 38 Studios released a number of images and one flythrough video for the game. In addition, Copernicus was, at least at one point, planned as a free-to-play game.

Schilling has not always been so optimistic about Copernicus. A 2012 report of 38 Studios' downfall quoted the former Major League Baseball pitcher as saying, "the game wasn't fun." He explained that though the visuals were on track, the game's combat and other world elements were not compelling enough, at least not yet.

Schilling maintained that the MMO was always improving, and it appears he is holding to that belief.

Sequel rights for Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning and Copernicus are two of many 38 Studios/Big Huge Games assets available during a telephone liquidation auction on December 11. Multiple "well-known" studios are reportedly interested in purchasing the assets, either piecemeal or as a lot, though no names have been made public.

Bids are due in the auction by December 4. Proceeds will go to the state of Rhode Island, which assumed ownership of the franchises when 38 Studios and subsidiary Big Huge Games went bankrupt last year.

Discussion

125 comments
renerak
renerak

And come on 1billion!! You are pushing it.

renerak
renerak

We don't want another MMO, we have tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of it already. Make another singleplayer with fleshed out world, proper facial animation, and lots of lore.

Apastron
Apastron

I'll give you £1 for it.

Actually I'd rather keep the £1.

borkkmor00
borkkmor00

The IP is worth whatever the consumer decides it's worth. 

MooncalfReviews
MooncalfReviews

Now they are turning this into an MMO too?

F*** you, games industry.

kozakon
kozakon

please save that game.

Pyrosa
Pyrosa

Look, it's good -- genuinely fun, and a ***LOT*** of content -- but $1B?  Half that.  

ACMC85
ACMC85

I just  can't tell if it's good or not. I hear so many different things.

Unholy123
Unholy123

No... no it's not

He's starting to sound like fans of KoA who constantly look back at it with rose colored glasses

xeoneex66
xeoneex66

"Copernicus was, at least at one point, planned as a free-to-play game."

This, right here is why it would have flopped and I prefer it to stay unmade.  F2P is killing the MMO market.

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

Case of "where did the money all go" solved, he clearly isn't very good with numbers...

gamrinline
gamrinline

The graphics were good and so was the gameplay even pretty difficult at times. I felt it was kind of thrown together after the beginning and not much effort went into it. Armoring was too difficult. It is worth playing but just a drag and not worth buying. This game was overrated.

Elann2008
Elann2008

There's only a handful of franchises that's worth that much and that can sell that much; some of us probably know which franchises those are.  Kingdoms of Amalur is not even worth playing, let alone buying it.  I wouldn't even accept it as a gift.  Waste of time.  It's this kind of super-ego, attitude that Schilling has that put the studio under.  Too bad, the Copernicus MMO had potential.  Other than that, forget it.

DarkE0n
DarkE0n

I thought Kingdoms of Amular was a great game. Say what you want about the story and there was room for growth in the gameplay department. I would have been willing to bet that the sequel would have improved on all aspects. At the end of the day, the game was fun and that's what I want the most in a video game.

divinejester
divinejester

Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Witcher, King's Quest, Dunegon's and Dragons, Two Worlds, Kingdom under Fire, Fable, etc. etc. 

I think Kingdoms was a good game, but far from anything special.


Vambran
Vambran

The game was average at best. I got so bored with it i gave up after 10 hours , and i'm a huge fan of RPGs not to mention RA Salvatore.


Phatcat1987
Phatcat1987

"2 years later and still no ones done what we we're doing."  What is that exactly other than typical corporate jargon?

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

If it's a billion dollar franchise why did the studio go under?


Ultenth
Ultenth

hahahahahahahahaha

 NO

 Worst most unoriginal boring world and story and mechanics I have ever seen. Just a bland mashup of mechanics and story/world elements from other, better, more original games.

 I wouldn't pay a penny for it.


Gladestone1
Gladestone1

ggred and jash you guys should at least try this game before bashing it..Give me a break both of you..Its a fun decent game diablo style..The man is right its like skyrim-diablo..If some one bought the rights and did some thing great with it..This game could be a game of a life time for many folks..He suck his life savings into this game because he believed in it..Wished he had succeeded..We could use more of this style rpg on the market..Shouldnt kill a guy for believing what he feels is right ..He had his hopes an dreams crushed..Its easy to talk smack on the internet about some one trying isn't it..

ggregd
ggregd

I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to bring back the team that let this project become an endless money sink.  Maybe hire the key people and make sure they're actually working.  

(Which is not to say it was all their fault, if the Governor of RI hadn't thrown them under the bus, they might have been successful.)

dr_jashugan
dr_jashugan

Sure Mr. Curt Schilling, buy my SOCKS for $2 Billion and I will buy your game, any time. :-)

nyran125tk
nyran125tk

A billion dollars. I cant believe people on this planet even have access to that kind of money. A billion dollars is thrown around like its chump change these days. Its a stupid amount of money. I could live and never work again in my life with just a million dollars and have everything i need to survive with luxery , easy. I can't believe theres people on this planet that see a million dollars as not much money lol

nurnberg
nurnberg

That Schilling guy doesn't sound very bright.  No wonder his company went bankrupt.

bibleverse1
bibleverse1

Not worth a billion any thing in current state. Good property well thought out universe. Poorly run company. They should have been able to make 3 games with the money they spent. The pursuit of AAA games is killing the industry . When 1.2 million in sales is a failure you are not running business well.

Dumper1
Dumper1

KOA was the most monotonous RPG I've played in years, the main character did nothing but stare throughout the cutscenes. One of the few games I couldn't be bothered to complete.

Atermi
Atermi

The game was awesome, I am disappointed that support and patches stopped coming forever.

The 40 Lvl cap is ridiculous and won't be ever changed :(

GSGuy321
GSGuy321

(Dr. Evil Voice).... No, 1 Trillion Dollars !!

AzureBonds76
AzureBonds76

I had fun with it. But it wasn't exactly groundbreaking. The NPC animations in terms of the way their mouths moved while they were speaking was very 1999 ish. Also I had a problem with the combat becoming way too easy for most of the game, even on hard, which is the only difficulity setting I played KOA on. I don't want to hate on the IP or Curt's dreams, it's just that KOA ended up being a somewhat mediocre RPG that wasn't revolutionary or groundbreaking. I do dig the fact that the man loved games and tried to make his dreams a reality. It's just that with all the money invested there should have been a better game in the end created.

helldragonzer
helldragonzer

I agree Amalur is awesome and there is still a lot of potential, even with the current game, but no ip is worth a billion dollars, specially when the dev that made it went bankrupt.

Deano
Deano

hahaha, if the series was worth that then why did the studio go bankrupt. Investing money in mediocre fantasy game IP's actually sounds like a great way to lose money. Especially fantasy mmo in a flooded market where they end up going p2p or shutting down.

Karzovis
Karzovis

People give this guy so much heat. The problem with Curt wasn't his game, he just knew nothing about management. 


And lets be honest, not too many companies do. He spent so much money moving families to Rhode island and then setting up shop there, that he was already near being in the red in the beginning. Then mismanagement cost him to spend waaaay too much money during development. They were also expected Dragon Age sales or something, but no way was that gonna happen for an indy title, which all of us here know. 


Then when he was trying to get more investors to stay above water, the idiot Governor of Rhode Island opened his stupid mouth with gloom and doom and spooked all the potentials way. 

Curts not the only one with money management problems. 

Square Enix are some of the worst offenders of this. They put out Tomb Raider, and sold 3 million+ copies, but still didn't meet expectations and turn a profit. Now if thats not bad management(while companies like Atlus can put out quality material and only need 100k or so copies sold to turn a profit) then I don;t know what is.

dmdavenport
dmdavenport

KOA was fun, but the only way it could be worth a billion bucks is if every copy cost a hundred grand.

coprnjica
coprnjica

i actually really liked this game. it was heaps of fun. what I do appreciate as a gamer and would give money for is: 1. it's not a MMO / 2. gender option (don't get me wrong I do like assassins creed, witcher and dishonored but.. seriously? rpging as a guy over and over and over again kills my desire to rpg) / 3. combat system

so with a few tweaks and more investing story this could amount to a brilliant sequel.

CrouchingWeasel
CrouchingWeasel

@Elann2008  

Seems like you just don't know how to have fun. Amalur was a damn good game & highly underrated.

oflow
oflow

@DarkE0n i agree.  I thought it was a pretty fun game and was waiting for the mmo version to drop.  too bad schilling and company screwed the pooch on the management side

ggregd
ggregd

@nyran125tk With an average income of $50,000 in 2013 you would earn over $2 million over the course of your your working life, and that's with no raises.  That's not luxury living, it's average.  With only 1 million, you'd be living in poverty for the rest of your life unless you're already old.

blackzio
blackzio

@nyran125tk an apartment in my city in a nice location and nice size (nothing fancy) would cost around $400.000 - $600.000. So i wouldn't say you could live in luxury with "just" $1 million without working. 

Pyrosa
Pyrosa

@nurnberg Baseball player.  Liked gaming.  Made a bad decision to try to cross over.

pboontap
pboontap

@coprnjica 

just ran thru the character creation like yesterday, and i'm pretty certain changing genders was part of KOA

Kevin-V
Kevin-V moderator staff

@coprnjica Dishonored and Assassin's Creed aren't role-playing games :/

Ultenth
Ultenth

@CrouchingWeasel @Elann2008 I thought it was actually overrated.  It was probably one of if not THE most bland, boring, and forgettable RPG's I've ever had the displeasure of playing.

DarkE0n
DarkE0n

@oflow @DarkE0n Totally, I'm not really into MMORPG's, but I was more than willing to give this one a shot. Sadly, Schilling wasn't able to learn from his mistakes before he could make another game. The video game business is no joke.

oflow
oflow

@blackzio @nyran125tk um, I live in Los Angeles and the houses on my street are average 3 br 2 ba small houses (2000 sq ft maybe) about 6 blocks from the beach and they sell for $1 million. These arent malibu mansions they are normal small beach houses. Depending on where you live a million isnt that much.

Elann2008
Elann2008

@blackzio

My rent is $1500 and although it is in a nice neighborhood, it is nothing fancy, I promise you.  I'd take a $1 million because I could invest that and I'd easily multiply that money, fast.  Money in the right brains and hands will go a long way.  Give it to an idiot and he'll throw it away like a fool.

kmanworld
kmanworld

@blackzio @nyran125tkmove to my country and you'll have  43,000,000; a nice big house cost around 10millions use the rest to live off interest from a bank or make some business, you'll live a luxury live here.