Crystal Dynamics defends Tomb Raider for PS4 and Xbox One, says it's not a simple "facelift"

Developer defends Definitive Edition of action game, says PC version could come to market if fans demand it.

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Tomb Raider for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One is not a simple "facelift" of this year's Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 reboot, Crystal Dynamics has spoken out to say. The game features numerous new additions not included in the original, which justifies its $60 price tag, executive producer Scott Amos argued on the game's forums.

"If it was 'only a facelift' AND we were only reselling it on the same platforms we'd already shipped it on, I would see your point," Amos said to a fan who suggested it was too soon to release a new version of the game with prettier graphics alone.

Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition will carry a $60 price tag, which Amos defended by saying the experience overall is new and improved.

"I absolutely stand by our decision to offer up Definitive Edition the way we are," Amos said. "We'd love for every Tomb Raider fan to get to experience it on next-gen. We are definitely looking to draw in those folks who may not have experienced it yet on the last generation so they can experience this version on next-generation. But even for existing hardcore fans, we are confident in the offering we have as an excellent enhanced experience above and beyond what we'd previously provided. We wouldn't bring it to you all if we felt otherwise. You are the reasons we do what we do."

Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition, which launches on January 28, runs in 1080p and is described as a "fully rebuilt" version of the original. It features an all-new Lara model "created to take advantage of the power of next-gen consoles," as well as TRESS FX technology that promises to deliver "realistic" hair simulation and motion. Every strand of Lara's hair will be "physically active."

Amos also addressed the possibility of a PC version of the Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition. "If a future platform comes along or is demanded by the fans, we are also open to exploring opportunities where we can deliver a great Tomb Raider experience if it makes sense for everyone," he said.

Discussion

384 comments
nicecall
nicecall

this games amazing but i think anyone who had bought the game before should get this for 50% less or something.  I still may get this game even though I have it on PC already.  Its almost worth getting a ps4 for to play it if its as improved as they say... but the PC version already had tressfx, but if the physics and textures are also improved, maybe it will be worth buying again.

themc_7
themc_7

When they say "it's not just a facelift", well what would you call it? It's the exact same game, but better looking. 


Is there any bonus content? Extended areas or missions? New weapons? No. Nothing new to add, you're just making it look better. That's what I call a face lift.

SteamyPotatoes
SteamyPotatoes

Or you can pick it up for a fraction of the cost in the Steam Christmas Sale.

Trender_man
Trender_man

so its bascally a face lift and some conditioner 

ecter1216
ecter1216

Charging me for the fact your polished up your piece of turd? Man this bitch is greedy.Got to love CD Projekt RED for giving you these updates, there expansions, and not charging for it. 

Pyrosa
Pyrosa

Looks like it's for people who didn't play it the first time around.   It was easily the best Tomb Raider in ages.

Sam_021
Sam_021

It will not sell more than 10,000 copies :)

dogfather76
dogfather76

I am not sure how it will do. People are desperate for games on the new consoles.

rokketdawg
rokketdawg

I skipped on it last generation so I'll be picking this one up.

justerthought
justerthought

Ofcourse it's only a face lift. What else is it. Are we getting more gameplay. More maps to explore. No we are getting the same lame 20hrs with tarted up graphics. It's not a rebuild. It already exists in the PC master code. They are just grabbing more via the PS4 dev machine. Far Cry 3 had a similar theme but it was far superior and offered better value for money.


I'll return to the Tomb Raider brand when they give us a proper open world with at least 100hrs of single player gameplay. That's the future of gaming. Not ripoff short interactive movies. The graphics in Tomb Raider are too dark, monotone and boring for an on rails interactive movie. The splash blobs on screen looked naff and Lara's constant whining was really annoying.


Uncharted shows how such games should really be done and offers far more longevity due to its excellent coop survival multiplayer.

Ladiesman17
Ladiesman17

I'm fine with updated graphic, but that decision might upset initial consumers.

kishen95
kishen95

I think its good for those who missed out on the original, and I noticed how Lara looked different, Id recommend it for those who missed out on the original, but for PC, they should give an upgrade.

19James89
19James89

It's obvious that they weren't happy with the combined sales figures on the PS3/Xbox 360 formats and so want to increase the numbers on the new platforms. I don't blame them, but I wouldn't buy it, not when I played the game earlier this year on my PS3. That said PS4 gamers could do with all the games they can get.

---Cipher---
---Cipher---

Sweet! You can pay $60 to play a PS3 game on your PS4!!! It's like stupid, but more expensive!!


Whatever, it's up to the consumer. I wouldn't buy it though...

gargungulunk
gargungulunk

I almost want to buy this anyway....just 'cause I paid $30 for the original-new, and would have paid twice that for the fun-etc this game put together.  ...but it's holiday season and I don't have a PS4.

AyatollaofRnR
AyatollaofRnR

No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy this.

Wolfkcing
Wolfkcing

I loved the 360/ps3 version but there is no way in hell I've even consider giving you $60 for a game I already played just cause it looks prettier and you swapped out the lead character model. Just letting you know. Is there anything else in this version? I think I read else where you get a dlc called lost mission or something.

 For those who didn't get around to playing it, it sounds great but I don't know if I can still OK it being $60 when they could get it for less than $20 and play the version I played. 

BradBurns
BradBurns

How many bow and arrow wielding "strong" female(and some male) characters have we seen in movies, videogames, and other forms of media recently?

Why do companies keep hiring these same PR firms? It's like they only have one idea and they keep selling it to every game and movie studio out there.

PsyonicPlague
PsyonicPlague

Didn't sell well when it released on 360 and ps3, any guesses how a face-lifted (come at me crystal dynamics, we both know thats all this is) version of a year old game that retails for $20 on amazon, being sold at no less than $60 will do? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess: not well at all. Would you rather spend $60 on a brand new, next-gen game, or would you rather buy a game that everyone has pretty much already played by now. If you haven't played Tomb Raider, then you are waiting for it to go the bargain bin, and will therefore stay far far away from this ridiculousness.  

MXVIII
MXVIII

I hope not a single freaking unit of this game sells. 

Xristophoros
Xristophoros

i didn't realize until now that the game would cost a full $60. that is steep for a game that came out a year ago and can be found for as low as $15 on sale. not to mention most people have already played it and wouldn't fork out another $60 to play it a second time. it is cool that they are porting it to ps4 with some enhancements, but for god sakes be realistic and price it fairly. $40 would have been more appropriate. 

jdt532
jdt532

Stop the BS, a simple facelift is exactly what this is... Unless there are upgrades you aren't showing us that aren't related to graphics?...

lostn
lostn

So what new features are included? The Tress FX was already in the PC version. All I see is a new face unless they're willing to tell us what new features are in. 


If the game is "fully rebuilt" then I think it's an inefficient use of resources, because the end result doesn't look that much better, and I would argue inferior to the original on PC. I also don't think the new face look couldn't be done in the original. It's not a next gen face.

XIntoTheBlue
XIntoTheBlue

Not sure why they need to defend themselves, though I am not going to go out of my way to buy and play the game again just because it's out on next-gen consoles. Might be nice for those who never played the game, but if I was in that camp, I'd still go with the cheaper copy. Honestly, I never finished Tomb Raider. While I liked the story, the gameplay didn't tickle my fancy.

Necrotron
Necrotron

I don't see the issue, it's a polished up re-release for next gen. Why would they need to defend that? Console players deserve the opportunity to experience it the way PC players did, it's a beautiful game. Interesting that they feel so much pressure to justify it's release.

I guess if you played it once, I wouldn't buy it again, but it'd be great for new players.

themc_7
themc_7

@Pyrosa I played it and foolishly traded it in. I'll be buying this for sure.

themc_7
themc_7

@Sam_021 A lot of people skipped this on the 1st time around. It'll sell pretty well I think.

Hell, I bought it on 360, and I'll be buying it again on X1 (when the price goes down)

Suhn-Sol-Jashin
Suhn-Sol-Jashin

@Sam_021 I didn't buy it before because it didn't look as great as the reveal.

I'm getting it now, and not only for that reason, but because I didn't play the original, and there are literally like 6 plausibly fun games on PS4... 3 of which I do not play.

It will sell far more than that. I know someone who is willing to buy it again, not even a year later, for that price.

It has allllll of the DLC as well, updated graphics, and new content. What's not to love?

justerthought
justerthought

@kishen95

Why? I refused to buy it because it was only 20hrs long and it's still only 20hrs long. Plus it's even more expensive. No sale.

justerthought
justerthought

@---Cipher---

I would repurchase GTAV and Far Cry 3 on PS4 because those have huge playing times and the open world would benefit hugely. I would buy The Last Of Us on PS4 because it has replayability to extend its life. But not this 20hrs crap Tomb Raider is offering.

justerthought
justerthought

@Wolfkcing

It will be worth buying on PS4 in two years time when it drops to half price. 20hrs gameplay is a budget game no matter how good the content is.

Vylsith
Vylsith

@Xristophoros I agree that it probably won't sell well at that price, but I'm also not sure why anyone is upset at Square Enix for selling it at full price.  It's their decision.  If people don't like it then just don't buy it until it goes down in price.  This isn't exactly a big problem.  It's self-entitled idiots complaining about something that they have no right to complain about in the first place.  You have the power to choose what you buy.  They have the power to choose what they sell and for how much.  That's the way it works.  They don't owe you anything.  No developer does.  They owe you what you pay for and not a penny more.

YoungCardinal
YoungCardinal

@XristophorosI picked up the Deluxe PC version on sale for $18 or so after 75% off (back during the steam summer sale) Since then I've seen it on sale countless times for the same 75% discount and can bet it will be again next week during the winter sale.  While it was a great game, I too can't see the justification for re-releasing what is essentially the PC version on next gen consoles for full retail price. The replay value for me is to be a completionist and not replay the same game with a modest 'facelift' that the developers refuse to acknowlegde.

For consoles, this game should have that $10 upgrade promotion at best.

Vylsith
Vylsith

@jdt532 Then don't buy it?  Either way stop whining about it.  It's annoying.

Xristophoros
Xristophoros

@Necrotron i think it is the price point that people are upset about, not the port to next gen. most people simply don't think a year old game is worth a full $60 and i agree. 

justerthought
justerthought

@goosetroop @justerthought

I played Skyrim for 650hrs. I played Just Cause 2 for 200hrs. I played Far Cry 3 for 150hrs. I've been playing Assassin's Creed 4 on PS4 for around 120hrs and it's still got stuff to offer. I call that a reality not wishful thinking.

Pyrosa
Pyrosa

@goosetroop@justerthoughtDitto.  There are maybe 50-70 games in the last 30 years that accomplished that without artificial grinding... And I played most of them.  VERY few were NOT strategy games.

Mr_Gusington
Mr_Gusington

@justerthought@kishen95Length isn't the only consideration of a games worth, and if that's all you pay attention to then you're missing out on a lot of awesome games.  Not to mention that most games become considerably longer if you play on the hardest difficulty and go for achievements.  I rented this game, wracked up ~30 hours, and was still working on some of the achievements when I had to return it.  Personally I loved it and if I had a next gen console I'd give my money to them because I want Square Enix to develop more amazing Tomb Raider games like this one.

Wolfkcing
Wolfkcing

@Vylsith@jdt532 

I think it helps to be specific about why we aren't going to support certain practices though. We can enlighten others so they do or don't buy things that give the industry the wrong idea.

jdt532
jdt532

@Vylsith@jdt532 I'm simply calling them out on their BS lying. Hey if they want to try and sell a year old game with a simple graphical facelift for $60 more power to them. Just stop trying to lie to us saying it's not just a simple facelift when that's exactly what it is...

Vylsith
Vylsith

@Xristophoros@Necrotron I'd agree that it's overpriced.  I also think that anyone who's upset about it is an entitled brat.  You don't have to explain your buying patterns to Square Enix and they don't have to explain their selling patterns to you.  If people don't want to buy it, that's fine.  Don't buy it.  Why the hell should they have to explain their price tag to anyone?  You're a consumer.  You have a choice.  I can understand someone going "Really Square?  That isn't going to sell.", but to actually get upset about it?  That's just the epitome of stupid.

superwhat666
superwhat666

@justerthought @goosetroop Thank you for pointing out Far Cry 3.  And what Far Cry 3 and Tomb Raider have in common is the deeply satisfying kills imo. Just picked up the Steam sale when it was out for the 10 Tomb Raider games for $13(?). Not sure about the price, just know it was beyond worth it at the price I got it for.

justerthought
justerthought

@Pyrosa @goosetroop @justerthought

The ideal balance is a single player that lasts 40-50rs with an explorational side missions portion adding an extra 100hrs, plus a well crafted multiplayer element adding unlimited playing time. There is nothing wrong with grinding search's for secrets as long as they are optional. But to omit them is wrong. A 20hrs linear campaign is an insult if your game is not famed for its multiplayer element and there is no sandbox exploration to extend its life.

Mr_Gusington
Mr_Gusington

@justerthoughtI would agree that both are important, but if the quality is good then the shortness of the game makes less of a difference (as I would say is the case with Tomb Raider).  If you can get 50 hours on a single play through, as you did with The Last of Us, then it's not a short game, so your argument is the same as kishen95s.   If your standard for short is 50 hours then you're missing out on a lot of great games.  For instance you wouldn't play Bioshock, Bioshock Infinite, Portal, Portal 2, Halo 4, and many others, but they were all great games.  Personally Bioshock and Portal 1/2 were 3 of my favorite games of the past generation, and none of them even come close to 250 hours cumulative.


So if that's your standard then don't buy it, but I don't think it's that bad and I would definitely give my money to Crystal Dynamics/Square Enix now in order to ensure a quality follow-up to it is made.

justerthought
justerthought

@Mr_Gusington @justerthought @kishen95

Length is important as well as content. You need both. The Last Of Us was relatively short but it was an awesome game. Great characters and story. The game could be replayed over and over on different settings resulting in completely different gameplay. Even replaying on the same setting, the scenarios played out different each time due to the variety of paths and strategies you could take.

The game was about 50hrs first time through, but I played it 5 times and intend to play it again some time in the near future. It was one of the best games I've ever played but not 100% perfect due to a lack of multiplayer coop survival. The coop with AI in single player proved it would have been tremendous fun, so it was a missed opportunity.

Tomb Raider cannot even compare to the likes of The Last Of Us when discussing short but quality. The 50 hrs of The Last of Us was multiplied to over 250hrs with all the replays it justified.