Comic-Con 2014: Battlefield: Hardline Dev Says Great Games "Transcend" Delays

Visceral Games discusses the recent delay of Hardline, stating that the studio needs more time to make it great.

Earlier this week, Visceral Games' upcoming shooter Battlefield Hardline was delayed several months into 2015. Today at a San Diego Comic-Con panel, a Visceral developer fielded a question about the delay and what it means for the game.

The developer said that Visceral never meant to delay the game, but that it turned out to be the right choice. "It was not our original intention at that time but it's been actually a blessing," he explained to the audience. "Over time, games are living longer and longer and becoming bigger and bigger, and you only get one chance to come out."

But he also argued that delays are insignificant with regards to the reception of the game. If it's good enough, a delay won't matter: "When I think about the great games I remember, I had long relationships with them. I don't remember when they came out, who cares? If it's great enough, it'll transcend all that."

But how did Battlefield Hardline come to necessitate a delay? It was playable last month, after all, when Visceral made a beta test available. But the developer said that the feedback from the beta required the team go back and rework significant parts of the game. "This work is really iterative," he said. "You think you're making one thing, but when you give it to a bunch of people, they do a bunch of other stuff, and then you go, 'I guess we made something a little different! Cool, but how could it even be better now?' So we're taking the extra time to make it better."

Recently, Battlefield 4 developer DICE explained that Hardline was pushed back to improve both single-player and multiplayer elements. Publisher Electronic Arts also revealed that Battlefield 4's last DLC pack will release later as a result of Hardline's delay. Battlefield Hardline launches early next year for the PlayStation 4, PlayStation 3, Xbox One, Xbox 360, and PC.

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46 comments
Hurvl
Hurvl

Going from the picture above, it just seems like any other military shooter, but in a different environment. The difference is (supposed to be) that these people aren't military, but police and there's a hard line between police and military.

jleek1992xx
jleek1992xx

But then people who are to lazy to buy a One or PS4 would complain it's to expensive or there to lazy...

jleek1992xx
jleek1992xx

There to busy trying to keep things cool on old Consoles they should ditch PS3 and 360 and focus only on Next Gen Machines.

eoisten
eoisten

To bad this is not one of those games.

MasterSatsujin
MasterSatsujin

I believe this game will be revolutionary like Battlefield 4. The beta was a ton of fun to play! I can't wait to crack open the case and place it into my Playstation 4 console!

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

It's true no one remembers when a game comes out, but people do remember when they get delayed to buggery and then it's still faulty when it does eventually come out.

So you know, get this one right EA.

Razor10000
Razor10000

games cost alot of money. they should be finish and polished. i sure hell never going to buy a broken game like bf4. 

ryoscc
ryoscc

Great games transcend delays? Watch Dogs delayed by several months and looked worse on PC than demonstrated at E3 2012

rad8045
rad8045

Do you see that Dice ? you can tell EA you need more time.

Darkhol0w
Darkhol0w

I would of loved if you guys would of worked on Dead Space 4 instead of this expansion for BF4 (Yeah it's what it is! A freaking expansion not a full fledged game).

playniko69
playniko69

You should be arrested for saying the word "great".

berserker66666
berserker66666

LOLWAT? They don't wanna admit it? Fine. The truth is, October is full of great games so shallow games like Battlefield won't get much attention thus not enough sales. They wanna release this game in the month where it's bone dry of games so they can look as the attractive choice. Same goes with Dragon Age Inquisition. Typical EA strategy.

snacky_smorez
snacky_smorez

Great games do, not DLC add-ons that are masqueraded as full games. I'll pass on this altogether. I love battlefield just not the direction this is going.

lilflipp
lilflipp

If the game is not ready, don't put it out there because you will have to sell it by lying about how awesome it is.

"The game is good but it could be better, you know dead lines."

Yuusha09
Yuusha09

Great games do "transcend" the delays.  Battlefield, however, isn't one of those games...

Darth_Starwind
Darth_Starwind

If the game comes out and it is really good, then people will say that this delay was a good move. If the the game comes out and it is meh... to bad, then it could be a sign for real trouble at DICE/EA. I hope what the developer is saying is true that they're trying to make the game the best it can be and this isn't another case of EA rushing the developer but in this case the developer had to put their foot down and say "no we can't make the deadline."

adsparky
adsparky

He must be talking about the last guardian cos EA hasn't make a Great Game since... well. I don't remember.

echeverriad78
echeverriad78

This game should not exist at all. If you buy this game. Don't get mad when ppl call you stupid. You playing bf4 with cops and robbers. I played the beta and i was bored. another battlefield. 

oflow
oflow

so in other words...our game is delayed.

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@ryoscc Watch Dogs is better off being played on console anyways, Ubi gimped the graphics on PC on purpose because there was a slew of complaints from console users that the graphics didn't look as good as PC's.  That's why Ubi announced that Farcry 4 will have equal graphics quality on both console and PC *cough*.

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@ryoscc Needed some extra time to add all those game-breaking bugs at launch.

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@rad8045 Bets it isn't "needs more time" but "needs to break down the game into DLC's".

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@rad8045 I think EA was a bit more receptive after the disastrous BF4 launch.

theotherjeff
theotherjeff

@Darkhol0w Unfortunately, EA does seem to specialise in releasing add-ons / updates as full fledged games. Not the first time and won't be the last. 

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@berserker66666 Hardline won't sell as good as some people think- there's Destiny, The Crew, Forza Horizon 2, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (I think that'll bomb just as badly as Ghosts did), Far Cry 4... there's just too many games to overshadow a modded Battlefield 4 game.  And going into 2015, there will be a boatload of titles for the PS4, so that won't help sales there.

Moegitto
Moegitto

@Darth_Starwind People won't ever say a EA game is good, nor will they say anything EA does is good. I told some people about the Sims 2 being free and people went above and beyond to find ways to make that not a good thing. But on the other hand EA, Activision, Ubisoft, even first party companies are a business, so what they put out doesn't matter to them. The only thing that matters is how many people pick up the product. In my marketing classes one term we were drilled on is retaining rates, which is how many people retain a product or how many customers you can keep coming back for more products. That's how Activision makes billions off of COD, they have a crazy amount of people willing to pay for COD every year. But EA is in a situation where they are practically bleeding customers, so they do little things like this to try and make them look better in the public eye and attract new customers. We'll see after Dragon Age if they learned anything yet, not holding my breath though.

theotherjeff
theotherjeff

@adsparky I remember but I don't like to say as it might indicate my advancing age even more than me saying I'm of advancing age.

jinzo9988
jinzo9988

@echeverriad78 And people who bought BF4 were playing BF3... only... with ahem, military soldiers... just like the last one.  Oh, and the game barely worked on top of that.  BF4 was more identical to BF3 than Hardline will be to BF4.

theotherjeff
theotherjeff

@oflow But in a good way (apparently). Although to be fair, it's not exactly like anyone else is hitting their launch dates either. 

nl_skipper
nl_skipper

@TeknoBug  Man that line from Ubisoft about Farcry 4 having visual parity with the consoles on PC ULTRA settings is rather worrisome...  it'll probably still require a 780Ti to play the game with acceptable frames on those settings...


I'm not sure I believe the claim of ubisoft intentionally cutting back the graphics on the PC (for Watchdogs) though, and I truly feel it has more to do with their incompetence.  Really they have nothing to gain by crippling their "lead platform", it just doesn't make sense from a business perspective imo.  Console gamers aren't going to pass up their PS4 copy simply because the game looks better on PC...  


Likely more to do with stability, performance (which were bad even without the extra visuals...) and the required extra work.  Basically they suck... though they somehow managed to make Splinter Cell Blacklist work out just fine.

Hurvl
Hurvl

@TeknoBug The month of October is ridiculously packed and that's the way every year. It's like a freaking flash mob when it comes to game releases, except for the surprise factor.

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@nothingformoney It might not be their game, but they are still very much part of it.

"Visceral is leading the development of Hardline on both SP and MP, with collaboration from DICE."

Darth_Starwind
Darth_Starwind

@nothingformoney @Darth_Starwind 

True, however they still own the rights to Battlefield and have some role in this production. Visceral is the one actually putting to the game together but most of the automatic haters won't see that, DICE would still be blamed.

nl_skipper
nl_skipper

@emperiox  Apparently DICE representatives came right out and said they have no idea why people even like the Bad Company series so much... so they don't know HOW to make a BC3...


Yes, that's right, they're that out of touch.... couldn't have been the better maps (espicially the ones for Rush mode), the more creative campaign, the less sterile art direction, the more friendly gun/bullet mechanics (you didn't die in 3 shots) or the greater emphasis on destruction, no way!


*slams head off desk into a bloody pulp...*

Sl4cka
Sl4cka

@emperiox Receptive to delays. BF:BC3 is an altogether different issue.

Hurvl
Hurvl

@nl_skipper @emperiox *calls 911 to send an ambulance to nl_skipper after him slamming his head, even though I don't know if he lives in the USA or where he lives or what his real name is*