Christian Police Associations call for Darkness II ban

[UPDATE]: International coalition asks gamemakers, legislators to stop the sale of violent games, takes specific exception to upcoming 2K shooter; publisher responds.

At the opening of The Darkness II, protagonist Jackie Estacado has risen through the ranks of organized crime to become the don of the Franchetti clan. And while it might go without saying that the police in the game's world will be set against him, it turns out some authorities in this world have an issue with him as well.

The Darkness II is being targeted by the boys in blue.

The heads of the International Christian Police Fellowship, the Christian Police Association, the Swiss Christian Police Association, and the Germany Christian Police Association last month drafted a letter to politicians and game producers explaining their objection to the violent content in many games. Specifically, the organizations called out The Darkness II, saying it and games like it create a distorted perspective of police officers for young players.

The groups are appealing to lawmakers and publishers to immediately stop the sale of such games, referencing the Biblical verse, "[F]or whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

The Darkness II is set for North American release February 7. For more on the title, check out GameSpot's previous coverage.

[UPDATE]: 2K Games has provided a comment on the police associations' objections, saying, "Reported stories regarding police officers in The Darkness II were erroneous. To be clear, there are no police officers in the game."

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GamerforChrist
GamerforChrist

@LokiHero I may be a christian but I am not a person who tells people how to live their life. The way you live your life is of your own accord, even if I don't like the way that life is lived. I not a fundamentalist you believes in judging people. I share the word of God through understanding, tolerance, and love.

lewishim666
lewishim666

I wish a developer would turn around and make the game more graphic as a result of these protests just one time. These groups say that the darkness 2 (supposedly) creates a distorted perspective of police officers for younger players. It's a game. The kids (of these group members) can tell the difference between reality and game. Or do they (the group members) not have "faith" that they can? If they can't, they didn't raise them right. Why does everyone assume that kids can't think? Why are christians always (supposedly) looking out for the best interest of people they don't even know. Control that's why. If parents don't want they're kids playing this game then they won't let them. It's up to the parents to decide, no one else. Stop trying to help people raise they're own children.

dbz_nappa
dbz_nappa

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mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

The word parable is actually not mentioned in the Bible, it is only an assumption by most Christians. I personally believe they were real stories from the past(Considering Jesus knew everything that happened in the past, it wouldn't be hard for him to find a good story to tell to a crowd). It can be a real story, and have a symbolic moral behind it at the same time. And you just said what most people in American society believe right now, that the Bible is nothing more than a book of stories and good morals for society to "sort of follow"(You know, they just get rid of the ones they don't like). And the Bible says that it is a true account of things that have happened, and as well as some thing to come. So to say that, you must prove that the Bible is not true. Can you do that, or is it a statement based on society?

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Frame-Dragger How is my first statement circular reasoning? A real example of circular reasoning is when an evolutionist looks at fossils in a layer of rocks and say: "Oh, since these fossils are ____ old then the rocks must be that old" Then they turn around and say: "Since this layer of rocks is this old, the fossils in them are that old as well". Circular reasoning is not what I stated. Can you explain why it is? Your basing your agrument about slavery on the fact that slavery was like that in EVERY place of the world at that time in history. But it wasn't, it actually has "never" been that way in Israel where Jesus was at. They followed Old Testament rules about slavery, which we already discussed. "It also condones extreme punishment". Yes, when God decided it was necessary, is this wrong? Continued....

bushisprez
bushisprez

The problem with most christian organizations they try to control or gain authority over something or someone. This would be one example but having demoed Darkness II at Pax East 2011 their are no cops to shoot that are enemies it was basically gangs and mafiosos. I guessed they failed with trying to censor GTAIV the ultimate murder simulator.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Frame-Dragger But if everyone was following God's laws, there wouldn't be anybody who was cursing their parents, and therefore nodoby would need to be punished;) Your true about "curse" being a different meaning today, but I don't think you noticed what you said. The word curse today means to cuss at, or yell at, etc. But in Bible times it meant a whole feeling, an attitude of rebellion against your parents while their still in authority over you. God knows our hearts, and he only condemns those he knows have an evil heart, in this case rebelling against your parents. In other words, he knows the difference between "an outburst of temper" and an evil heart/desire. The Parable does make it sound like that kind of slavery was normal practice, yes. But the point of the parable is actually symbolic, it's not referring to actual slavery. It's talking about God and how he views such conduct to others. As the last verse says, “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.” It's not referring to slavery, it's only an example. It's not condoning such practices at all, whether it implies that it's "normal" slavery at that time or not.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

Jesus what stating a parable here, and the point of the story was to show that it was good of the master to release him. Go read the rest of the chapter. And I've read the entire Old Testament, I'm not missing things. You don't seem to be showing things in context, you seem to be missing something. Now about your next comment: Yes God created evil, so that people had a choice whether to love and obey, or not love and obey. This goes right back to the part about God wanting love, and he had to make "good" and "bad" morals in order to get obedience and love out of his creation.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

Romans 13:1-4 1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. I have no idea what your talking about, but this chapter is talking about how God is in control of who is in power over you, and you should submit to them(except when it violates Gods laws). What are you talking about, can you explain? Matthew 18:23-27 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. continued...

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Frame-Dragger Leviticus 19 is a lot of regulations that God had for the Jewish people, they are not all punishable by death. It doesn't say anything about being put to death because of what's in verse 19. But if you study the entire Bible, mainly that book, you would understand that. Matthew 15: Do you not understand that God decides what is the law at that time. He considered cursing your father and mother extremely wrong, and he still does. In todays culture satan has twisted people's thinking. Parents don't love like they used to, and children curse there parents as if its nothing. If only we wouldv'e listened to God we wouldn't be in this mess. Your forgetting that God decided what punishments there were back then, so how could it be wrong? Revelation 13: You also took this out of context. This chapter is talking about the 7 year tribulation, which is a time of punishment. At this time God's wrath will come upon those who have been hurting his people for so many years. It's the final judgement. It isn't talking about law. Continued...

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Scorpion1813 We don't have to love him, that's pretty obvious by your posts:P Why's that hard to understand? And he didn't create evil, he gave free choice. It is us who go against his rules, we just call disobedience "evil". Wait, let's look at this statement: "Doesn't give him the right to harm those who don't love him". That goes back to the fact that God is our creator and our authority, you just can't seem to accept that. If people couldn't hate then all they could do is love. Is that special? Would you rather people "chose" to love you, or would you rather that they just, loved you for no reason. It's not the same feeling or submission. And it is real love, the proof in that is the world around us. Your even proof of that. Don't you think you would have to accept God out of love, you obviously haven't because of the idea you might go to hell. I don't think you understood the last part of my previous post(two posts ago, the one about "human nature"). The Bible says we have the ability to accept him, but your implying that we don't, that it's just our nature. If the Bible is true your wrong, so it's just a question of whether the Bible is true or not.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Scorpion1813 Your still not accepting the fact that God is our authority and can do what he wants with us. You seem to have trouble accepting authority. God does own us, but he gives us free choice, which is why we are not his slaves. As slaves you are forced to do his will. When God says we are made in his image, he is referring to emotions. Emotions are from our spirit, and since God is a spirit it is the part of us that's like God. I really don't understand your point thoroughly. Are you referring to humans as part of the animal kingdom? I'll guess that. Are you saying that he should know that if he kills we will also because were following his example like he would? Well it's not a dictatorship, we have free choice. And he does follow his own rules. The ones he doesn't seem to follow are ones that don't apply to him. This just goes back to the fact that God owns us, he is your authority. Making himself an idol? So are you saying he should have made himself as low as us? Well if you feel that way fine, but he didn't. He created us. When you create/make something don't you expect it to do something for you? You don't make something for the purpose of helping you and then never touch it. God does not know whether we will accept him or not. When it says he is "all knowing" it doesn't mean the spiritual world, including our souls. He is talking about the physical world he created(There are different views on this subject, you can research it if you like).

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Frame_Dragger Your forgetting the point. The point is that the Bible doesn't condone or support that type of slavery. Whether slavery was terrible back then or not in Europe doesn't matter. What the Bible teaches is what matters. Can you give me the actual verses please, then I can actually state my argument. As it is, I can't tell if you took it out of context or not so I need the actual verse;) Planting crops the wrong way? That's quite an exaggeration. People were stoned to death for things like sleeping with another mans wife and stuff like that. You see, before Jesus died God used himself as the judge over the people. After Jesus death and resurrection he left that up to us.

lucien86
lucien86

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Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@mario-nin-freak: You're saying he created evil just so we had freedom of choice to worship or not, then would kill or make suffer those who didn't worship anyway. "Didn't want to force us to love him" my backside he didn't!! Important to be loved? Doesn't give him the right to harm those who don't love him. "Love me or go to hell and suffer for all eternity!" People are more likely to love him out of fear, and THAT's not real love. On the flip side, if people were unable to hate, then they would genuinely be in love, and it would be a real feeling. If he created the universe, he therefore created the rules, and therefore made it hard for anyone to genuinely love him. If he doesn't want evil in the world he shouldn't have created it in the first place. You say if the Bible is correct, then what I mention in my last comment is "wrong". What I was talking about was nature, and more specifically human nature. So... you are basically saying "Nature" in and of itself is wrong. If nature is wrong--and God created nature--then God is wrong. If the Bible is about God, that makes the Bible is wrong. In the end, you're just stating that YOU are wrong.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@mario-nin-freak: Killing, or "murdering" someone just because you don't like the way they behave is NOT a "just" cause. What God did was basically mass genocide. Saying God owns us is like saying we are his slaves - meaning he is a slave-driver. You're seriously telling me that's fine with you? Let's assume for the sake of argument that he did "make" us. It's mentioned that we are made in his image. So if we are like him, and we know that all animals learn by example or experience (dictation NEVER works), we can assume that he is like that too. If he is supposed to be all-knowing then he should have known humans aren't going to follow a dictatorship, and that if he isn't going to follow his own rules then why should we!? Telling us we aren't allowed to make ourselves idols, and then going and making himself and Jesus one - that's not following his own rules. If the all-powerful being can't keep himself within his own limitations - and we are modelled after him, then he should have known it would have NEVER worked. Being all-knowing, he wouldn't have needed to "test" people as he would already know the outcome. That's like chopping the legs off a horse and seeing if it will win in a horse-race.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Scorpion1813 Killing? It's actually translated murder, and murder is when you kill someone without just cause. Just like a death sentence to a murderer. stealing? God made everything and owns everything, how can he steal? cheating, how? That has the same answer as does stealing. He can cheat someone out of what he owns. self idlisation only applies to us, how can God tell himself not to worship any other Gods? Because God made us, and owns us, he simply asks that we don't worship anyone but him, why is that hard to understand? Give me one good example of God not following his own rules. First he didn't wipe out ALL the planet, Noah and his family were still alive. And it doesn't change the point anyway. God has the authority to do so, he gave them their chance, they didn't accept it. In order for God to get love from us he had to give us free choice. If he wouldv'e made us where we could only do good, it would be forced love and forced love isn't love at all. He had to give us the ability to deny or accept him in order to get love. I'm sure you know how important it is to feel loved. Don't find any of it evil? Well that's from your point of view. But if the Bible is correct, then you are wrong. So it goes back to the question, is the Bible true or not.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Frame_Dragger Slavery was much different in the Bible than how it was practiced in America. If you've actually read the old testament, you would know that slavery was actually more of a job than anything else. People who were poor would sell themselves to another person to be their slave. They would serve their master for seven years, and during those years he would supply their food, home, and other needs. After seven years the slave was given a choice whether they wanted to leave and start life on their own, or stay a slave for the rest of their life. Slavery was a job for the poor, and it worked out very well. The proffesion of slavery was distorted after Africans were brought here and "forced" into slavery, while also being tortured.

dawnofhero
dawnofhero

@Frame_Dragger Yes, we do have different views.

dawnofhero
dawnofhero

@Frame_Dragger Well, if that's what you want to believe... and it is a choice: do I believe in a book that may just be the work of man's own hands? or do I choose to believe what it says and take that step of faith in God? You've got nothing to lose if you do.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@mario-nin-freak: No, I'm basing it on God's own interpretation of "evil", the ones he outlined in his own Ten commandments and what he condemns others for doing. Killing, stealing, lying, cheating, tricking, self idolisation, etc etc. You say he chooses not to wipe out the planet because he's merciful..... yet he's wiped out all life on the planet before. If he is all-powerful and all-knowing, wouldn't he have known that humans would have turned out "evil". But the real kicker is that why would he create us to be capable of what he considers "evil" and then perform "evil" deeds to punish us for HIS mistake?? Personally, I don't find any of it evil, I just see it as human nature - or just nature in general. That's the way it's been since the beginning of existence and no amount of praying or preaching is going to eliminate primal instinct. If these people want to stop violence they should look at real violence (such as wars or combat sports like boxing or MMA/UFC), not simulated virtual violence where nobody gets hurt!

dawnofhero
dawnofhero

@Frame_Dragger I see where you're coming from. After all, someone who doesn't really believe in a god or God Himself may look at the things the Bible talks about and conclude that God is a cruel being who is just looking for ways to punish us. Of course, many are brought up thinking that God just wants us to suffer and have no fun and be in some sort of 'bondage'. But what many don't realize, is that God is quite the opposite; He just wants to express fatherly love towards us and be a blessing to us. But many people turn their backs on Him for whatever reason and so they end up missing out on the good life He has in store.

lucien86
lucien86

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CarlitosWay
CarlitosWay

I was hoping this topic wouldnt became a flaming sword of Christianity arguments, but i guess my "faith" is ill placed?

Speuj
Speuj

Yes, it creates a distorted view of police officers... because it's... you know... what's that word I'm looking for??? Oh yeah... FICTION.. Idiots...

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Frame_Dragger There are many people who have learned and studied the Hebrew language and the original hebrew Bible. They don't talk about the Bible being changed. In fact, when the dead sea scrolls were found(which included a large portion of the Bible), out of all of it there were ony 2 words that were different than the current Bible. It has not changed over time, nor has it been distorted. And I'd love to see your proof for that. So the verse that says, "though shall not murder", no longer is a good law because society has changed? No, society changes, people and morals never do. Have you read the Bible? I'd like to challenge you to show me a verse in the Bible that would cause the world to be anything but peaceful if everyone in the world were obeying it. And if your referring to Old Testament teaching, then you probably don't understand what this article is talking about: http://creationliberty.com/questions/3laws.php It explains the difference between Old Testament laws and New Testament teaching.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Scorpion1813 Your basing God's actions on your own interpretation of "evil". God created us, he owns us. If God were to destroy the whole earth right now he would not be sinning or doing evil. But he's such a merciful God that he chooses not to.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@mjswooosh It doesn't "teach" people to be violent, it only had times where God directly commanded it. He never told them to "practice" it.

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

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drknessfeeds
drknessfeeds

wow,..guess they just skipped over Mortal Kombat because its been on trial before and attacked the next game. If a kid/teenager attacks a police officer because of this game fully expect him to say he is possessed and has special powers also.

RO-nIn187
RO-nIn187

god damn! you guys still arguing about the same thing? should change gamespot to godspot or something :D

sircyrus
sircyrus

@kungfunky Actually if you look at history I think you'd see that politics didn't control what was going on in the church, but rather quite often it was the other way around. England's wealth and success had nothing to do with their religious beliefs. It had to do with the structure of the British Empire. It was built upon conquering other places, and exploiting those conquered areas. They started their decline when those conquered areas began splitting off or being given equal rights and treatment. And you seriously think that alcoholism is a bigger problem than it was a couple hundred years ago? The only difference is that today, alcoholism is recognized as something negative. As is spousal abuse. As is beating children. As is slavery. As is racism. These were all things either ignored or permitted at some period when the people supposedly had great moral compasses due to being religious. It is utterly ridiculous to make the argument that thanks to being more religious, the people of England had a better "moral compass" centuries ago than they do today. That argument only flies if we ignore history and invent our own version.

kungfunky
kungfunky

@sircyrus "Compared to what England has done in the past in the name of religion, I'd say their moral compass has vastly improved since then." Your talking about stuff that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago when politics controlled what was going on in the church and it was all about power. What kings do "in the name of religion" is very different than the personal relationship 'the people' have with their religion and God. For the past hundred years the 'people' of England had been predominantly religious and their society flourished. The past few decades religion has taken a nose dive there. Violent crimes have gone up, alcoholism has gone up, single parent families have gone up, lawlessness has gone up .... Where do you think the moral compass sits in their society today?

fantasyfacade
fantasyfacade

I believe if you're raised properly you will have a moral compass. I don't think video games will make you violent or change your opinion towards a certain thing. The reason why these people do these things and disrespect people is because their parents didn't teach them properly or at all. It's up to the parents as well to stop their children from playing such games too if they are unfit for them.

sircyrus
sircyrus

@kungfunky You've already asked me that, and I already replied to it. Here's the cut+paste: You said... [quote="kungfunky"]Their society is falling apart because young kids have no respect for their country, law enforcement, or their neighbors. [/quote]With that statement you were implying that when they were all religious and believing in "God" they had some fantastic moral compass that they have since lost. My mention of their history was to point out back then they were worse than they are today. Hence my statement...

kungfunky
kungfunky

@videolunatico "mmm let's see crusades 133,000 lives spanish inquisition 31,912 lives 100,000 witches and that's just christians alone" I'm not sure if you were trying to help me make my point or what. The claim some people make is that 'religion has killed more people in the world than anything'. That's totally wrong. Your total from the crusades (which wasn't really about religion if you study it) and the spanish inquisition comes to 265,000 people. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge alone killed between 750,000 - 1,000,000. He hated relgion just like other communist leaders. Communisim alone has killed way more people than "religion" has. Mmmm.

kungfunky
kungfunky

@sircyrus "Compared to what England has done in the past in the name of religion" Are you saying that the British empire was based on religion or spreading religion? Because that was about money and power not people's salvation.

kungfunky
kungfunky

@frunzo "ww2 wasn't about religion? hahahahahaahahahahaahah ahahaahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha." No, frunzo. It wasn't about religion, duh. Can you point out where you think it was besides just excessive use of 'ha'.

beuneus12
beuneus12

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dawnofhero
dawnofhero

@Frame_Dragger I wasn't trying to be technical as you said. That's just the basic, elementary way evolutionists believe we humans came into existence. Of course, you seem to know what you're talking about, so sue me. But it seems that you believe that a god or God Himself just began the evolution process. Well, it that was true, then that god would be wasteful, cruel, unkind and certainly unloving, and it is not the God of the Bible by any means. The Bible says God created everything in one week, and that it was 'very good'.

Scorpion1813
Scorpion1813

@mario-nin-freak: It may preach peace but God is really the worst example of a peaceful being. As I have mentioned in a previous comment - God probably performs just as many, if not more, acts of "evil" than the devil himself. The sayings "monkey see, monkey do", and "teach by example" come to mind, yet the christian God is probably one of the more wrathful gods in religion.

bluespire1
bluespire1

I think they (International Christian Police Fellowship, the Christian Police Association, the Swiss Christian Police Association, and the Germany Christian Police Association) should mind their own business I believe in God and I still would buy this game I'm smart enough to know better of my purchases.

dawnofhero
dawnofhero

@Piroshki Hey, if you want to believe that your ancestors evolved from a rock, be my guest. (the rocks got rained on for millions of years, turned into pre-biotic 'soup', then the soup came alive and the first organism crawled onto land, and as they say, the rest is history.)

Snaptrap
Snaptrap

If religion didn't exist there would be a lot of things that would also not exist. Look at all the religious based or influenced games, movies, and music that non-religious people play, watch, and listen to. Even this game itself would not exist because of it's religious aspect. There are many religions spanning many countries which I see play a major part in the creation of content such as this. Yeah, you can take away religion but you may as well take away the wheel in the process.

VivaRevolucion
VivaRevolucion

sin is great, relish in it, As for you Darkness 2, bought. :D

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

mario-nin-freak, the bible teaches a LOT of violence. Are you kidding me? And don't even get me started on the Old Testament, or do you pretty much ignore that part of the book? :D lol

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

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mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@Scorpion1813 People aren't perfect, they mess up quite a lot. The difference is that we "try" to obey the Bible. Also there are many people who call themselves christians who don't really obey the Bible's teachings, so it's really a matter of what the Bible says. Does it teach peace or violence? Read it for yourself and you'll quickly see it teaches peace, it's just human imperfection that causes trouble.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

And the main thing mjswooosh is not considering is that christianity does not teach violence, it's human sin and evil desires that lead to all the problems in the past and present. Other religions, including the deadly regime of the catholics, do teach all the terrible things they've done, but if you'd read the christian Bible you'd know that if people followed it without failing that this world would be a wonderful place.

mario-nin-freak
mario-nin-freak

@mjswooosh Maybe you should start listening to the church:P Try looking up some christian organizations like "CBN.com", and feed the children. And many others. Also the Tea Party Patriots are christian politicians trying to help the country, it's the people who won't let them do what they desire to do.