CES 09: LBP sells 1.3M, PSN logs 17M accounts

Little Big Planet and PlayStation Network milestones revealed during Sony CEO Sir Howard Stringer's flashy keynote; EA newest Home partner, combined PS3/PSP user base broaches 61 million.

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LAS VEGAS--Typically, keynote addresses at the Consumer Electronics Show are either celebratory or boastful. Chances are, the Sony keynote address will be a bit of both. First, it's being delivered by Sir Howard Stringer, the first Western-born CEO of Sony and arguably its most affable. Secondly, it comes as Sony is heavily touting its PlayStation 3 console, which saw sales increase 40 percent in 2008 and 130 percent during the last 10 weeks of the year.

However, with reports of a "sweeping" restructuring imminent at Sony, it's hard to remember the last time a cloud hung so heavily over a CES keynote address. (The closest thing was Toshiba's non-keynote HD-DVD presentation last year, which was canceled when the sudden withdrawal of movie-studio support doomed the format.) What has gamers particularly worried is a British report earlier this week that claimed "sacred cow-killing" changes could be afoot at the Tokyo-based company. To many, the most divine bovine in the electronics giant's barn is Sony Computer Entertainment. Despite growing revenues and a return to profitability, the division has yet to recoup the billions it spent researching and developing the PS3 and PSP, both of which lag far behind their rivals in terms of overall sales.

Fortunately, CES may provide Sony with an opening to stir up gamer enthusiasm. As the sun rose over the neon-kissed Las Vegas skyline, thousands of journalists gathered to hear Stringer speak at the Palazzo ballroom at the Venetian Hotel and Casino. The night before, many of the same reporters had heard Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer emcee a presentation that was almost completely devoid of gaming revelations. Will Sony give gamers similar short shrift? Check back around 8:20 a.m. PST for a live blog of the conference.

[8:23] In a replay of last night's Microsoft conference, thousands of suited VIPs and less well dressed hoi polloi mill about as rock music blares.

[8:23] One difference: Every seat has a pair of Real-D Cinema 3D glasses on it. Guess we're in for some 3D action today...

[8:24] The music goes down and...a huge Sony logo pops up.

[8:25] Oh boy, a preview for the forthcoming comedy Paul Blart: Mall Cop starring Kevin James from King of Queens.

[8:26] From Happy Madison productions--apparently Adam Sandler isn't ruining only his own films anymore.

[8:26] And it's coming out in January, the traditional dumping ground of unwanted cinematic orphans...

[8:27] And a crotch shot with a Segway--watch out America's Funniest Home Videos!

[8:27] Another movie preview, with Rosario Dawson talking into a webcam. Titled Gemini Division.

[8:28] The SONY logo comes up--and here come the games...

[8:28] Usual rocking montage: PSP up first, with footage of Force Unleashed and Madden NFL. I remember those games--they came out last year.

[8:30] LocoRoco 2 footage, NBA 09: The Inside, Super Stardust Portable (looking very Geometry Wars-ish)...

[8:30] Patapon 2, looking very Patapon-ish and Buzz! Master Quiz--PSP demo ends.

[8:31] "Ladies and gentlemen of the press, please restrict your flash photography to the first 60 seconds of the keynote."

[8:31] Lights dim, cueing up a CES self-promotional reel.

[8:32] 2,700 exhibitors this year, says a title card, accompanied by more prog-rock flavor-of-the-month soundtrack.

[8:32] Apparently CES is at the Venetian--we know, we're sitting in it.

[8:33] Stragglers scramble for seats as the promo reel finishes.

[8:35] Another promo reel--this one tongue-in-cheek. "A Rising Economy Production." CEA head Gary Shapiro is dressed up as Groucho Marx in an outtake from Duck Soup.

[8:35] "This is the world economy calling...help is on the way!" Way to stay positive.

[8:36] Now the economy is being portrayed as the Frankenstein monster, with Shapiro as the not-so-good doctor. "It's alive!" Yes, we get it.

[8:36] Now he's CG'd into an old-time Western, with him and John Wayne urging people not to quit. Is this a press conference or a pep rally?

[8:37] Shapiro is CG'd into a colorized version of It's a Wonderful Life, and apparently the new economy is coming in Q2 2009.

[8:39] Shapiro now appears in person, looking only marginally more lifelike. Actually, the clips were from a new service called Yoostar, which puts people into old-time movie clips. Get it? YOU STAR! How many millions did a marketing guy get paid to think that up?

[9:02] Shapiro now introducing Stringer by recounting his days working as a journalist for CBS.

[9:03] From working the phones in the Ed Sullivan show, he went on to win 31 Emmys, becoming CBS's president and convincing David Letterman to come over to the network.

[9:03] "We are pleased to have the chairman and CEO of Sony Corporation, Sir Howard Stringer, here with us today."

[9:04] Down come the lights...and it's more movie previews with a look at the Da Vinci Code prequel Angels & Demons, starring Tom Hanks.

[9:05] More religio-supernatural pseudo-suspense, coming May 15.

[9:05] Oh crap, Tom Hanks is here.

[9:06] The movie star gets up onstage and proceeds to mock Shapiro's presentation by pacing as the executive did. "I will now repeat his entire presentation," jokes Hanks to thunderous laughter.

[9:06] "The only reason I'm here is because of Betamax. I got VHS instead, what was I thinking?"

[9:08] The first Sony product he saw was a "reel-to-reel tape machine the size of a Singer sewing machine." He now complains he has stacked up so many Sony products in his living room that his Blu-ray player is eight feet in the air.

[9:10] "Now on to the scripted part of my presentation," jokes Hanks before stiffly reading marketingspeak off a teleprompter. The crowd laughs hysterically at his ad-libs. "You, the evil geniuses of the CES!"

[9:11] Now he's straight up mocking Sony. "Every time I go on set, I see Sony on the camera--no wait, I have never seen that!...When I read books, er, sorry the Sony Digital Reader at night...Sorry, I should have read this copy before I agreed to come onto stage."

[9:12] Hanks met Stringer back when he was a documentary filmmaker and calls him his friend.

[9:14] Out comes Stringer, and Hanks walks him around the stage. Stringer: "Now the only reason I showed that Angels & Demons clip was so I could bring Tom back."

[9:14] Hanks: "Well that, and you keep putting these appearances in my contract."

[9:15] He now dons a pair of glasses that allow you to "watch television on the glasses while still seeing the real world."

[9:16] Hanks makes fun of the stage directions and then the glasses. "Oh look, they're so cool and hip."

[9:18] More good-natured banter--and least it is supposed to be good-natured--follows, with Hanks finally begging him not to put a hold on his paycheck.

[9:18] "No, Howard, don't cast me into that Samsung hellhole! I don't want to live by Sanyo's rules! Save me, you're a knight for God's sake!" jokes Hanks as he walks offstage.

[9:18] Stringer deadpans, "This is the third time I have done this, and it may be the last."

[9:19] Then, it was on to business.

[9:19] Stringer talks about how Sony's predictions of wireless proliferation and Blu-ray dominance have occurred, despite the economic downturn.

[9:19] "We have to make our products must-haves at affordable prices," says Stringer.

[9:20] Stringer is now introducing rules for the electronics industry to live by.

[9:21] Products must be multifunctional and be as easy as possible for the consumer to use.

[9:21] Sony thinks supporting open technology is key, as is advancing the shared experience for consumers.

[9:22] Another rule: to create new value chains, as when the purchase of an HDTV leads to a Blu-ray player or PlayStation, and then Blu-ray discs and games.

[9:22] Oh, and go green.

[9:22] Also, embrace fusion of industries.

[9:23] The shining example of this: the PlayStation 3, which offers Blu-ray playback, shared experiences with games, and value via PlayStation Network purchases.

[9:24] By 2011, 90 percent of Sony products will connect to the Internet wirelessly--and connect to each other wirelessly.

[9:25] Stringer now talks about Bravia motion-graphics technology and video Internet link, as well as the world's thinnest television.

[9:25] In the spring, several high-end Bravia models will be able to link to the Internet directly and download films.

[9:27] A new Cybershot camera will be able to upload photos directly to the Internet via AT&T for free--to prove it, he shows photos of himself and Hanks already on the Web via a Web-enabled Bravia TV. Synergy, thy name is Stringer.

[9:27] Now it's on to...alarm clocks!

[9:29] A new Sony alarm clock will be a touch-screen video screen, which can wake you up with music videos via services like Pandora.

[9:29] It also can display news you want to wake up to, local weather, and even clips from the previous night's sports games.

[9:30] The clock will be open platform, allowing developers to create their own apps.

[9:31] Onto OLED TVs, which Sony pioneers.

[9:32] Sony now has made them so thin they're flexible. Stringer introduces the video by playing a Beyonce Knowles clip on the display and then bends it. "How many people get the chance to squeeze Beyonce?" he jokes. "I sure hope Jay-Z isn't in the room."

[9:33] Next up: Blu-ray, which provides a viewing experience that Sir Howard says is "second to none."

[9:33] Sales are up four times over last year, powered by titles like Wall-E and The Dark Knight.

[9:34] "Some have asked why, in a networked world, we need Blu-ray?" To prove his point, he brings out Pixar chief John Lasseter.

[9:35] After joking about his loud shirt, Lasseter says Blu-ray lets audiences "see what we see on our screens at Pixar... You can't go back once you see it."

[9:36] "We sweat over every tiny detail, and Blu-ray lets you see that." To prove his point, he shows a Wall-E clip.

[9:39] Lasseter then talks up Blu-ray Live and shows how the Sleeping Beauty menu reflects the weather and time of day where users are.

[9:39] He also shows a game embedded in Cars that you can play while watching the movie on Blu-ray.

[9:42] Lasseter says that Pixar is already planning for 3D movies on Blu-ray, and he leaves by showing a clip from the forthcoming movie Up!

[9:44] Stringer returns and thanks Lasseter and Bob Iger at Disney for sticking by Blu-ray. Stringer expresses his excitement for Toy Story 3, due out next summer. Pixar is also remastering Toy Story and Toy Story 2 in 3D and will release them in theaters this summer.

[9:44] Finally, to the games!

[9:45] The PSP and PS3 "user base" is 61.3 million, says Stringer, before introducing SCEA prez Kaz Hirai. It is unclear if that means individual accounts or individual hardware units.

[9:45] Hirai takes the stage, cheery as ever.

[9:46] "Play. Listen. Watch. Communicate. Create. Share. These are the experiences consumers want, and this is what they want on the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable."

[9:47] SCEA's big push is networked content and services in the form of the PlayStation Network. 17 million accounts on the network, with 330 million pieces of content downloaded.

[9:47] 2.1 million PSN accounts added in the last month alone.

[9:47] Enter the Sackboy!

[9:48] Hirai talks up Little Big Planet, which has sold 1.3 million units worldwide.

[9:48] Some 300,000 levels have been created, with a total playing time of two years.

[9:48] "This experience is possible only on the PlayStation 3."

[9:49] Hirai now talks about Sony Online Entrainment and its new free-to-play title, Free Realms, for "tweens, teens, and families."

[9:49] Beta sign-ups are now open on the PC, with a PS3 version to follow.

[9:50] Sony video delivery service is next on the docket. Hirai makes much of the fact that videos downloaded on the service are both portable and viewable on full-sized TVs.

[9:50] MTV is now partnering to put its video content on PSN.

[9:52] Now for a quick demo of Life With PlayStation, the virtual-globe news and weather service that lets you zoom in on a city and find out what's happening in said city. Hirai checks the headlines in Munich, Germany, to prove it.

[9:52] An update is coming to Life With PlayStation this spring.

[9:52] Hirai pivots the agenda to PlayStation Home, which has been downloaded by 3.4 million people.

[9:53] $1 million in goods sold via Home, which now has EA as a partner.

[9:53] EA is crafting a new space for Home, which will be revealed later.

[9:54] SCEA is now shifting the way it thinks about its hardware design to better serve customers.

[9:55] That's it for Hirai, who walks off to much applause.

[9:55] Stringer retakes the stage to talk about...health care.

[9:56] A new show starring Oprah's Dr. Oz will premiere in syndication in the fall, focused on keeping viewers healthy.

[9:56] It's titled Ask Dr. Oz.

[9:56] No wait, just Dr. Oz--and the doctor is apparently in, since he just walked onstage.

[9:57] To show the problem of obesity, he shows Michelangelo's famed sculpture David rocking a massive beer gut.

[9:58] Health tip: Your waistline should be half your height.

[9:59] He measures Stringer's waist, which is 39 inches--meaning he should be 6' 6".

[10:00] Dr. Oz explains how evolution designed people to put on weight, not lose it.

[10:04] Dr. Oz exits, and Stringer gets up onstage to talk about Sony's partnership with the Yankees on Yankee Stadium.

[10:05] He brings ex-Yankee Reggie Jackson onstage to talk about the new stadium. Instead, he waxes poetic about the old Yankee stadium.

[10:06] Then he says he's excited about the new technology room at Yankee Stadium 2.0.

[10:07] Now the pair discuss stats and how to fool pitchers.

[10:09] Stringer produces a Reggie Bar candy bar and bids Jackson farewell.

[10:10] As the crowd thins out, Stringer talks Sony's eco strategy.

[10:11] Sony is working on a sugar-based battery and phones made out of 100 percent recycled plastic.

[10:12] Wrapping up, Stringer introduces a 3D digital short by Pixar.

[10:13] Everyone dons the 3D glasses and watches the short, which puts the characters of Cars in a Tokyo Drift-like street race.

[10:15] Stringer then shows a still from Gran Turismo 5 rendered in 3D. "You've never seen the game like that," he says.

[10:15] No word on whether the game will be in 3D when it comes out.

[10:16] Dreamworks Animation CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg comes out to tout 3D.

[10:16] He equates 3D to the introduction of color and sound in film in terms of importance.

[10:17] "This is not your father's 3D," he says, donning some old-time 3D glasses.

[10:19] The Big K thinks that 3D will reenergize film audiences, and Dreamworks Animation has completely retooled its production line to make 3D movies.

[10:20] A 3D clip of monsters and aliens is shown.

[10:21] In it, a 50-foot woman battles a huge monster using cars as roller skates to escape across the Golden Gate Bridge.

[10:22] The giant alien smashes the bridge with its robotic claws.

[10:23] The GG Bridge collapses and the lights come up. Katzenberg thanks the audience and Sir Howard.

[10:24] Katzenberg exits.

[10:25] Stinger moves on to Sony's Grace Notes music service, which works on Sony Ericsson phones.

[10:26] Stringer pulls out a Vaio Laptop "lifestyle PC," which fits in a pocket.

[10:27] Now it's time to talk about Sony Music, formerly Sony BMG until Sony bought out Bertelsmann AG's share last year.

[10:28] Awww yeah, ladies, time for an Usher music video...no wait, it's Usher himself!

[10:29] The R&B artist does his best to act seductive, even though the vast majority of the audience is middle-aged men hammering away on their Blackberries.

[10:31] He's even got backup singers and a Spanish guitar player. As of press time, no panties have been thrown onstage.

[10:31] Usher finishes, exits.

[10:33] Actually, he's sticking around. "Who better to close the show?" says Stringer. Usher, however, won't leave the stage.

[10:34] He heaps praise on Sony Ericsson for sponsoring his tour and repeatedly drops the phrase "Sony Products."

[10:35] Prodded by Stringer, Usher laments the end of the album era and expresses wishes for the recovery of the music industry.

[10:36] Quickly wrapping up, Stringer urges the audience to imagine the future after the current economic downturn.

[10:37] Quoting the late Gordon McKenzie, he says, "If you can imagine it, you can make it real."

[10:38] "We at Sony are trying not to think anything is impossible."

[10:38] And that's it!

Discussion

487 comments
rockutd
rockutd

Free online play FTW.

ckat609
ckat609

Long ass post... who cares!

Nephilim83
Nephilim83

I just want the flexible TV!! I wanna squeez that fat girl on Norbit! LOL

star77241
star77241

Sounds like Sony's trying to make sci-fi movie technologies real.

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

xelite_gamerx, the reason for Nintendos loss was actually because they were difficult people to work with, as well as the fiasco that caused the playstation to be created in the first place. Meaning, the moment nintendo went behind Sony's back to make another deal with a non japanese company, (phillips), the reaction by japanese third party developers was pretty intense. They all moved over to Sony because none of them liked Nintendos dishonorable actions (at the time). Thus as you can see, Nintendo dominance disappeared after the snes.

xElite_GameRx
xElite_GameRx

Sony's two decades of sales dominance is similar to how Nintendo got its start in the gaming market with their two decades known as the NES and SNES. After that, the underrated and overlooked N64 lost major sales to PS1. And the Gamecube took an even bigger loss of sales to PS2. Now its Nintendo's turn to recapture the market they revolutionized and still continue to do so, even though I'm not a fan of the wii, 40 million others are and that number continues to grow.

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

@okassar, LBP is a huge accomplishment. It represents user generated content in a console world, one of which brings people from all over the world into one space. Because it was successful, its a huge accomplishment. It represents being able to load your own media into a game world and share it, it shows off how networking can be accomplished in different ways with a console title, and its shows how linked titles are interconnected to network projects like Home and such. Finally, its the most stylized piece of work seen on the playstation since Nintendos Mario and Sega's Sonic spread across the world.

Gamerzone23
Gamerzone23

Gamespot wants to start a fanboy war..most don't care about this lame "news"

p00phead
p00phead

I have made 15 psn accounts because i can

okassar
okassar

Lol,LBP was hyped so much,1.3 mil isn't enough....well,it's not AMAZING like they hyped it up to be,it's alright.As for the 17M,well of course,I mean,PS3 Online is free,so that's not a big accomplishment.

dkpunk
dkpunk

Does anyone else find the "features" of BD redundant and pretty useless? The only thing the format has going for it is A/V quality...

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Darth Bourkas Perhaps you should grab a dictionary buddy. Here let me do you a favour. The Merriam-Webster definition of racism: 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Darth_Bourkas
Darth_Bourkas

Racial prejudice isn't racism. Grab a dictionary because Im so godang sick of people misuising the word racism. Prejudice simple means prejudged, it doesn't necessarily connote a hatred for a race, or a feeling of inherent superiority.

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

Kind of off topic, but I just saw this recently, and though its a few years old is still very impressive. Sony + Robots... This is amazing, the quality of movements is some of the best I have seen out there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vwZ5FQEUFg

frazzle00
frazzle00

@shiftfallout "but he certainly did not like the idea of a westerner becoming the CEO of Sony" So in other words he was prejudiced towards the idea of a westerner becoming a CEO of Sony. Racial prejudice is racism :). Anyway I am not here to argue. Prejudice is part of human nature, and everyone is guilty of it, in one form or another. I dislike Kutaragi because he's a slimy arrogant suit, who really didn't give a s**t about us gamers. So I am glad he's been fired. Here's to hoping that Sony do right by us the next generation :).

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

@Frazzle00, I dont think he was racist, but he certainly did not like the idea of a westerner becoming the CEO of Sony. When Nintendo dropped the Sony agreement to work with Phillips (a european company) instead, we saw the same thing. Some Japanese business men becoming very upset that one Japanese company picked a European partner over another Japanese company like Sony. Theres a bit of pride on the line. The end result was Nintendo losing most of its japanese third party support after the snes, and they are still seeing the effects of it to this day. I dont hate Ken, but I think hes no longer respectable since it all went to his head.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@Shiftfallout I am sure there is an element of truth in your statement about Kutaragi. I however think his arrogance, more than his racism derailed the PS3.

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

@Grimbee, Actually you might be surprised to know that Ken Kuturagi left, it was because he was essentially fired. Ken didnt like the fact that a non Japanese person was running Sony. Some Japanese businessmen feel very strongly about working under non japanese in an originally Japanese company. Ken became very difficult to work with, he went behind the back of the new non Japanese CEO, went over budget, held back information, and let all the exclusive titles walk away to either the 360 or go multiconsole. Basically he sabotaged the playstation because of personal feelings towards the new CEO and the company. He did good things for the PS1 and PS2, but he went off the deep end for the third one. It happens to many who experience success, they are train wrecks waiting to happen. That said, the PS3 is not where it could have been if Ken didnt sabotage his own project.

Mac11_Fanboy
Mac11_Fanboy

the fanboy wars rage on, i feel sorry for whoever had to endure that keynote, I would of killed myself by halfway

CIFI10
CIFI10

ps3+psp=pure pwnage

GrimBee
GrimBee

I honestly like Sony. Fair enough, this generation I tend to swoop by the 360 side of things a lot more (just more exciting and interesting for me somehow). Heck, even stuff on the Wii I find to be pretty great. Sony, even though I do like them. I just FEEL a bit different about them this generation. I dunno, its like the football team manchester united. Some people love em, some people hate em. And there are others who know about them but don't really care. When manchester united have a rough season, and another team starts winning the cups - its winning streak stops becoming the talk of the town, and instead the focus is on the failures from the inside, rather than the image on the outside. When you are a winner - mostly you will see the image from the outside. But now sony aren't at the top of the stack in this generation, I think im looking into reasons WHY this could be. This, in turn, does spoil my enjoyment of the system in a way as I tend to overlook some things. For example, I was going to overlook purchasing wipeout HD. What a game I would be missing out on if I had. Its really great. Anyways! After just experiencing the ps3 for just over a year now (as well as other consoles) I have just come to the thought that Sony just tried to do TOO much with their winning formula, and just made it into a big-gulp sort of thing that is just a bit TOO much for some people. What I mean is, the PlayStation was a real winner before because it was simple, powerful, but nothing more than a games machine. The Ps2 was fantastic because it offered competetive pricing, and the right technology at the right time. I think Sony have basically said "Hey!! Ken Kuturagi, we know you have designed and been at the heart of the ps1 and the ps2.. but, here's a load of money, coz we are going to use the playstation name to front some more of our... ideas..". Notice how Ken Kuturagi LEFT Sony after the ps3 was launched.. If the Ps3 was simply a games machine, it would probably be at the top of the stack right now. I think Sony may of tarnished their name a bit now. In both a good and bad way. I think the same how Nintendo have too. What I mean is - The PlayStation name has pretty much been used to push more Sony ideologies onto it. They moved it from a games machine, to a Sony Centre.. pretty much. And Nintendo made the wii all "fun" and stuff like that. When the wii was first announced, I really hoped for cool things like a Wii Silent Hill game where you use the remote as a torch, and stuff like that. Now the wii is pretty much a giant library of party games.. which is great in a way. But really, when Nintendo make another system.. can you expect them to just ditch all this stuff and then start making mature titles? In a way, Nintendo's success has turned them into a more of a family friendly brand. Which was always their aim really.. But I liked the darker side of Nintendo.. the one which paid capcom for exclusive resident evil games.. :) Anyways- I could go on for ages. But I think part of the ps3's slow climb to success is due to them trying out too many things on the playstation brand. and used the ps3 to front the blu-ray format. Whilst this did pay off, I think Sony's real success will come when a PlayStation console just plays everything PlayStation ever came out with. I would love to be able to put a ps2 game in a ps3, play it, put it on the hard-drive (or buy it on the store) and then drag it onto the psp and play it on the go. Something like that would really float my boat, but at the time its all new technology, something like that would probably be avaliable next generation with cheaper hard disc drives to produce, faster download speeds etc.. Its a tough thing to wonder about, but I just think Sony would of been better off concentrating on games first rather than movies and online stuff. However, this will probably pay off in the future.. Kinda like how dreamcast had to introduce it, die, and then let other console learn and evolve from that. :)

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

@xdeiri, Nothing I have said here is false information. In fact engadget had quite an interesting article about Samsung and how they use chinese LCDs with their logo on them. In fact I have two Samsung monitors, both costing close to $400 each, and both were made in China by a chinese manufacturer. The monitors were not cheap, but they get the job done. I also have a Sony, it was made in Japan. Its a great product, better than the Samsungs. Only reason I bought the Samsung was because of the shape of the monitor made it better for a dual display. Furthermore, the leading South Korean LCD supplier is LG. None of this has to be made up, I could care less for one company over another. I just look at the products and the facts. Xdeiri, i can say with all confidence, that you are quite biased and quite wrong on your claims.

xdeiri
xdeiri

artifacts nice story dude but sorry no facts just a story and you can live happy ever after with your false info

Shiftfallout
Shiftfallout

@Xdeiri, I hate to break it to ya but only Samsungs premium (priced) LCD Panels are actually made by Samsung. The cheap Samsung products, and by cheap I mean they can still get expensive, just not the most expensive, are all manufactured in China and rebranded with the Samsung logo. The very few overpriced Samsung displays, usually the ones they show off at conventions, come from their own. Sony on the other hand, like many Japanese tech businesses, likes to make most of their products at home. Sony has the latest in LCD technology, but its not always available to consumer consumption and mass production. Sony's labs come out with amazing technology, some no one could have imagined, sadly it usually stays as a prototype because the price and or market are not ready for it. In terms of LCD production, LG is better than Samsung...they are both south korean companies though. Sony has a stronger name and delivers solid products, because of this reputation they will never be the cheapest, but often not always the most expensive either, in terms of LCD products. Just thought you should know.

xdeiri
xdeiri

edroc23 it is not about hating, but about knowing whats going on under the table, and there is something really important to me called the (companies attitude) and in this term sony is an azzhole and frazzle00 there is no comparison , the samsung lcds are the best in the market and among the cheapest. how can you hate that? for more info go to cnet.com tvs

threedown
threedown

i stopped buying sony products, ive had to many problems with their products and the customer service was the worse ive ever encountered... theirs to many alternative products on the market for me to have to deal with them anymore... the only thing the ps3 has over the xbox360 is a bluray player, big woopity doo, i can live without the ps3 and the few exclusives they offer

edroc23
edroc23

@xdeiri wow somebody hates sony alot.

Phantom_J
Phantom_J

Poor Usher, if I had to perform female-targeted music infront of men I would cry. N***a must have been furious.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@EnaVRi Sony products are strictly middle of the road. There are plenty of more expensive brands out there on the market especially when it comes to AV equipment. The reason Sony can charge more than a brand like Samsung (another middle of the road brand) is because it is a more established company (outside of Korea at least :P) and people are willing to pay more for a brand they are more familiar with and hence feel more secure buying from. As to the quality of Sony TVs vs. Samsung TVs, I have no idea. I am sure both brands have good models and crappy models.

xdeiri
xdeiri

00Terry00 by your logic can you explain why sonys products are more expensive than those specialized companies. and by the way Envri , samsung tvs are alot better in terms of every thing especially in picture quality, not to mention that sony is borrowing samsung own lcd screens, and rep you off as a sony product

EnaVRi
EnaVRi

@ xdrei in business its not over priced... its a positioning... you make products looked premium, and rich consumers will buy... that's how you play in the premium markets... rich people look at the emotional benefit not functional... they don;t want a cheap Samsung LCD or ACER laptops... They want Bravia and Vaio... Because those gadgets make them look RICH...

zeta
zeta

@xdeiri Wow, of course you're only considering Sony's rep in the US...I currently living in Japan right now.....and let me tell you that the majority is Sony. The best cell phone I ever had is a Sony ericsson (W44S). I just seen a small Vaio laptop with a Blu-Ray burner on sale at Yodabashi and it was selling like crazy! In fact, pretty much on every floor of this store (the Yokohama Yodabashi is 8 stories...makes Best Buy look like 7eleven) with the exception of the toy section is Sony related.

TehPickle
TehPickle

[9:29] It also can display news you want to wake up to I want to wake up to the news I won the lottery twice please!

00Terry00
00Terry00

@xdeiri I guess Sony is just the Jack of All Aces. I mean they have a wide range of products but there are other companies out there that specialises in that product makes it better. For example: Canon specialises in cameras. HP specialises in computer. Nokia specialises in Handphones. Thats why 'most' of them are pretty much better though, I still like Sony products. XD

xdeiri
xdeiri

rmoorevtps3 dude the only one who dent know that sonys product is overrated and overpriced is you . and by the way sony is losing in every category ; gaming console to nintendo and microsoft. tvs to samsung, lg and sharps. mobiles to nokia samsung and will every other company. cams to canon ,nikkon and panasonic lap top to hp and will all others as well. i dont know what left for sonys arrogance and expensive product which honestly you can find more reliable and affordable product

frazzle00
frazzle00

@rmoorevtps "The spice girls were not a fad. The key word there is were because you haven't heard their music since year 2000. They also had their greatest success in the two years of 1997 and 1998." - Just because a band has broken up, doesn't automatically mean they're a fad. And all of their albums have gone platinum. Most artists can only dream of such commercial success. "The company who has sold 305 million consoles worldwide in the past 14 years had nothing to do with the innovation in gaming today. They are also not known for their quality. I would say, in rebuttal, innovation and quality sold 305 million consoles in 14 years." - Once again sales and innovation are two completely different concepts. And if sales figures are what you're basing your assessment of innovation on, then I guess in your words Nintendo OWNS gaming since they have sold over 480 million consoles. "You say those consoles were all sold without being known for quality, the PlayStation 3's failure rate is .2% compared to Xbox 360's failure rate of over 30% of their consoles. Some batches of Xbox 360's have had up to 68% failure rates! The PlayStation 3 is the best quality gaming machine by far this generation." - Show me the proof. Where did you get these figures. You also neglect to mention that the Wii also doesn't seem to have any hardware issues. What about all the hardware problems the PSOne, PS2 and PSP have had? "You also think Sony has nothing to do with the games that used to come out on, or currently come out on their consoles. The only way Sony is involved at all is if Sony is doing the game on its own. In rebuttal, I say if it's a big title I assure you Sony has the necessary people supervising and helping how the production of the game is coming along. This is called Quality Control and doing the best you can to insure you boost the chances of maximizing your profits. If you want to learn about these concepts take some Business Information Technology or Finance classes a University near you." - Mwahahahaha. Your poor, poor kid. High school must be hell for your. Quality control has nothing to do with maximizing profits. Concepts like market demand, marginal cost and marginal revenue do. And if Sony has such stringent quality control measures, then why are there so many absolutely rubbish titles out on their consoles? Here is a few just to whet your appetite: PS3: Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire, Lair, Haze, and Genji: Days of the Blade PS2: NRA Gun Club, Backyard Wrestling 2, Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly, Godzilla Unleashed, Legend of the Dragon, and Aqua Teen Hunger Force Ninja Pro Am (the name says it all) PSOne: Animorphs, Digimon World 1,2 and 3, Dragonball GT: Final Bout, Fighting Force 2, 3Xtreme (hahahahaha), Chocobo Racing, Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi, and Perfect Weapon. If I had the time and patience I could go on and on. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of wretched titles on Sony systems. Sony isn't the only company guilty of green lighting rubbish, sure. But I am not the one suggesting that Sony's QA department plays a major role in game innovation. That's you buddy :P. I wasn't aware that a feminine hygiene product like the one you've brought up in your post could be used as a verb. I have learnt something new today. Thanks dude. Now just keep continuing to embarass yourself. I am having too much fun to put you out of your misery :D.

rmoorevtps3
rmoorevtps3

Haha you sure embarrassed me man. -In your opinion the Spice Girls were not a fad. The key word there is were because you haven't heard their music since year 2000. They also had their greatest success in the two years of 1997 and 1998. -In your opinion, the company who has sold 305 million consoles worldwide in the past 14 years had nothing to do with the innovation in gaming today or the past. They are also not known for their quality. In my opinion I would say unrivaled innovation and quality most definitely, without a doubt, helped to sell 305 million consoles in 14 years. -I also reply, PlayStation 3's failure rate is .2% compared to Xbox 360's failure rate of over 30% of their consoles. Some batches of Xbox 360's have had up to 68% failure rates! The PlayStation 3 is indisputably the best quality gaming machine by far this generation. -You also think Sony has nothing to do with the games that used to come out on, or currently come out on their consoles. The only way Sony is involved at all is if Sony is doing the game on its own. In rebuttal, I say if it's a big title I assure you Sony has the necessary people supervising and helping how the production of the game is coming along. This is called Quality Control and doing the best you can to insure you boost the chances of maximizing your profits, as games and consoles are complementary products. If you want to learn about these concepts take some Business Information Technology or Finance classes at a University near you. Please stop being douched and stop acting like you're getting anywhere close to douching me.

frazzle00
frazzle00

The key aspect of a fad is that it is short lived in nature. The fact that the Spice Girls have a huge fan base more than a decade after their inception precludes them from being a fad. And unfortunately the same can be said of bubblegum pop. The genre has had a strong following since the 80s and doesn't look like it's going to go away anytime soon. Artists like Pink, Justin Timberlake, Lady Gaga and Katy Perry, can still peddle their garbage to great commercial success. I do agree with you about U2. They're highly overrated :P. Now on to the topic at hand. You've said that Sony lead the videogame field in innovation based on the games you can play on their consoles, and you've given a list of titles you think fit that bill. Well let me begin by asking you how many of these titles are actually Sony titles? Don't you think that when it comes to assigning credit for innovation, the lionshare of the credit should go to the developer of the game and not the manufacturer of the console the game is on? The next thing I'd like to point out relates to the list itself. It honestly seems to me that you've compiled a list of titles that are better known for the fact that they are popular Sony exclusives and not for actually being innovators in their field. Take Final Fantasy VII for example. Apart from the simplistic 3D graphics and FMV how is it any different from Final Fantasy IV to VI. They have similar battle systems, similar game structure, and similar protagonists. There also are plenty of people who would argue that FFVI is a better Final Fantasy title than FFVII (so who would get the credit for that? Square or Nintendo :P?) Coming back to the 3D graphics and FMV, neither of these features were new to gaming when FFVII was released either. So where is the innovation? I could go on in this vein with all the titles you've listed. I can also provide plenty of other titles that haven't been released on a Sony console that are just as popular and well regarded. The fact remains that you still haven't proven how Sony does anything to innovate in the videogaming industry. Most videogame innovation was done before either Sony or Microsoft entered the game business. Since you've obviously not been playing games long enough I suggest you go out and do some research in order not to embarass yourself again.

rmoorevtps3
rmoorevtps3

frazzle- hahaha the whole bubblegum pop scene of the mid to late 90's was a fad. N sync, 98 degrees, spice girls, backstreet boys. Fads are successful, thats why they are fads. And yeah their show did sell out because all of the 13 year olds from the 90's were now in their 20's and wanted to go. Are you really trying to argue the spice girls and that whole music scene as being nothing more than a fad? people today don't say "damn, spice and spiceworld were classics". a better example of someone who makes garbage music who alot of people like would be U2 (imo), even tho a lot of people would argue that. Now, to the point. The innovation by Sony is purely in the games and how they pretty much revolutionized games from save the princess to so much more over the past 15 years. I can remember playing hot shots golf, metal gear solid, crash bandicoot, gran tourismo, final fantasy vii, and syphon filter to name a few on my psx. On my n64 i played sf rush, zelda, mario, mk, perfect dark. Then sony evolved and innovated into the ps2 where you got the metal gear solid CLASSICS, gran tourismo 4, shadow of the colossus, god of war, gta 3 started on the ps2, i mean really too many to name i shouldnt have to if you know about gaming. How can you argue AGAINST sony being an innovative company in the gaming industry? Please try

PayneKiller
PayneKiller

oh boy its the same back and forth arguments between pro-ps3 and anti-ps3 users. I won't bother involving myself in this one... But I was wondering tho, I looked on vgchartz yesterday and it said LittleBIGPlanet had 1.75mil sales, and that was dated Dec 27th. So what's the correct figure?

frazzle00
frazzle00

@rmoorevtps3 LOL. If anyone is confused with what a fad is it's you. The Spice Girls had a successful 6 year recording career between 1994 and 2000. When they announced their comeback tour in 2007, more than a decade after their inception, they managed to sell out numerous venues world wide (their first London show sold out in 38 seconds). So no they are not a fad, and yes they are absolute garbage. Now let's get back to the whole "Sony OWNS gaming" business. You've not provided any evidence whatsoever to support your statement. Surely you don't think "OWNS" is a valid argument do you? Which leads me to ask you why in the world do you expect me to waste my time schooling you? You're obviously a Sony fanboy (look at your Gamespot handle for heaven's sake) and most fanboys are impossible to reason with. Secondly you yourself haven't provided a single shred of evidence to back up your argument. Since you started this whole innovation business, the ball is in YOUR court :).

rmoorevtps3
rmoorevtps3

frazzle- maybe you should do some research as to what the definition of a fad is, because the spice girls should have their picture next to it in the dictionary. and you really made an intelligent argument why sony doesn't lead the industry in quality and innovation by simply telling me to go do some research on the history of videogames. i've seen videogames evolve from mario on nes to mgs4, so i know enough about the history of videogames. good point tho

Gamer4Iife
Gamer4Iife

To all you people comparing Tomb Raider's sales to LittleBigPlanet's, keep in mind that one is a franchise that's been around for over a decade and was considered by many as the pinnacle of video gaming back in the day and the other is a brand-new intellectual property. For a classic series like Tomb Raider to outsell LBP by such a little margin, is TERRIBLE.

frazzle00
frazzle00

@rmoorevtps3 The Spice Girls weren't a fad. They were a perfect example of the fact that there are plenty of people with terrible taste ;). And as for quality and innovation, Sony is definitely not an industry leader. Go do some research on the history of videogames. You'll find the read both interesting and informative.

rmoorevtps3
rmoorevtps3

frazzle- so are you equating the ps2's success to a fad such as the spice girls? or tickle me elmo perhaps? i didn't own a ps2 (original xboxer) and even i know the ps2's success was no fad. Its not "ps3 fanboys spouting rhetoric", if you look on ebay a whole lot of people are still playing their ps2's especially given Sony didn't stop making games for it until 2008. I would say the fact that the wii, xbox360, and ps3 sales combined dont even come close to ps2 sales shows that a majority of gamers have yet to upgrade to a 7th generation console. Oh, and if saturn's programming issues were more notorious than the ps2's then they were also definitely more of a problem than the ps3's because only 2 years into the consoles life developers are putting out games like kz2. Finally, how can you actually dispute that Sony doesn't lead the way in quality and innovation in gaming? I think the wii is cool and innovative (not so much quality), i actually used to own one (logged over 100 hrs on brawl, 40 hrs on twilight princess) but it certainly doesn't satisfy most as a gaming machine. If anything the Wii is the fad, the online doesn't work worth crap. If i could have played brawl online without it being terrible i would have actually kept my wii. Anyways, Sony has always been a company that is known for its quality and innovation, to say they don't lead the industry in both of those shows ignorance on your part.

legend_01
legend_01

tomb raider underworld sells 1.5m, LBP sells 1.3M...and underworld is considered a failure? I know tomb raider is a large franchise and LBP is a new IP, but seeing as how Sony said LBP would be a system seller, I dont think anyone can call underworld a failure. 1.3M is still an amazing number for a game, and I'm sure the number will grow over time, but I think Sony were expecting something a bit more...