Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 not coming to Wii U due to budget constraints

Konami explains it would have to add another 20 developers at Mercury Steam to port game to Wii U, which is not feasible.

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Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 will not come to the Wii U due to budget constraints. Speaking to Eurogamer, Konami producer Dave Cox said the publisher does not have the resources to create the necessary jobs at developer Mercury Steam to make the game possible.

"The reason why we are developing it on PC, PlayStation 3, and Xbox 360 is simply because that's the amount of people we got," Cox said. "If we want to do a Wii U conversion, that's another 20 people. We just don't have the resources or the budget to do it."

Cox made clear that it's not for lack of interest, but adding a new format this late in development would not be wise, he said.

"It's not to say we wouldn't do it, it's to say at this point we don't want to lose focus on what we're doing," he said. "We've got a certain way down the line, and it would be a distraction to have to do a port to another system at this point."

Even if Konami had the resources to bring on the necessary developers to make a Wii U version of Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 possible, the Mercury Steam office space may not be big enough to accommodate them.

"Also, the Mercury Steam office is at breaking point right now. It's rammed," Cox said. "They bought the office for 60 people, and there are 110 now. People are sitting on each other's laps almost. It's all these kind of logistical issues about the development."

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 is currently in development for the Xbox 360, PC, and PlayStation 3. The 3DS game Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate launches March 5. A demo for that game is available to download through the 3DS eShop today.

Discussion

589 comments
beny_pimpster
beny_pimpster

im a nintendo fan but seriously Wii U is crap right now. it has the same power as a ps3 only with a tablet controller

Double_Wide
Double_Wide

Oh you mean, a totally re-deone game to specifically accomendate Nintendo's gimmicky hardware won't be released at the same time as all the other consoles? DUH!

vinardo
vinardo

I read "Nintendo didn't pay konami to port the game"

Crossel777
Crossel777

They're on a budget..  Does that explain why Mirror of Fate sucks?  I think not.   The developers are just god awful at this lolz.

kbaily
kbaily

Seriously devs now you're just making up excuses.  You complained the Wii had no HD so you couldn't port. The WiiU has HD, and hardrive space for all that DLC you want to nickel and dime us for and it even has an optional traditional controller so now you're just making up lame ass excuses.  It can't be that hard to port your "God of Castlevania" game.  Third party devs want Nintendo to fail so they don't have to compete with their first party games and they only way to do that is to not support their consoles.

WiiU fans, if you want third party devs to make WiiU games, do what the Mass Effect 3 fans did, send emails to these devs, scream and cry and demand support because if ME3 taught us anything, it's that if you scream and yell loud enough, companies will cave to your demands.

blackothh
blackothh

just say it, the wii was never made to handle good games.

FLEEBS
FLEEBS

I'm getting sick of all this Wii U negativity in the gaming community and lack of support by developers. I realize much of this is Nintendo's fault, but it is a FANTASTIC system and has tons of gaming potential. It has WAY more potential than the Wii ever did, even if that's not saying much.

The controller is NOT just a gimmick, despite what haters (which are mostly people who haven't even given the system a go) are saying. I am not a Nintendo fanboy by any means, but I am more excited about what Nintendo has to offer this go around than I have been since the 64. 

Gaming would not be the same without Nintendo, folks. Your most beloved franchises owe something to Nintendo, and I personally would say that globally among ALL games. Nintendo is good for the market. They inspire change and growth, which are always good for business in the gaming world.

bannermanner
bannermanner

So Wii U owners can't experience the kinda decent gameplay, nice visuals, and terrible Portal references.  Okay.

Lords of Shadow was okay, but I don't think it should have been released as a Castlevania game.

Benny_a
Benny_a

Sony and MS has none, they doing allright.

Today if you buiy xbox or PS3 you can play every new game that comes out and backlog of thousands of games.

If you buy WiiU you stuck with shitty 10 games or so, if you buy Wii then your crazy nutjob.

badwedgie00
badwedgie00

Does anyone think that the extra 20 people required to develop this game for the Wii-U are just so that the game can be played on that little controller?

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

Now this is the correct way to explain to the press why your development team cannot support the WiiU at this time, unlike what Randy Pitchford over at Gearbox who bungled up why borderlands 2 wouldn't come to WiiU. 

Blame everything you can  think of as to why you cannot port to the Wii U besides the truth. Not enough developers, not enough time, no room, lack of equipment, Obama, Katrina, 911 - just make sure to say your team really really wants to but for reasons beyond your control..... cough WiiU not selling, cough.... you cannot at this time. 

makoreactors
makoreactors

I really feel nintendo needs to cut the gimmeck controllers and wii sports-like crap things out. Or they will fall behind even more. I don't care what sales say, i don't see nintendo as a serious gaming company like i did when i owned a SNES

wyan_
wyan_

It's just a polite way to say: "We know we wouldn't make a dime if we produced a Wii U version."

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Note to Nintendo: Your console is not a priority for developers.

nami_the_mage
nami_the_mage

If MercurySteam had the Wii U dev kits when they started production on this game, they would have allotted the necessary resources to developing a Wii U version I'm sure.  I've already pre-ordered this game for PS3, but I bet the Wii U version would've had a map, or weapon and item equipment menu ready at my fingertips.  Oh well, whatever.

wickdawg01
wickdawg01

And this is the EXACT reason why I opted to NOT buy a Wii U. Lack of developer support. Heck you could see it in the later years of the Wii. Everytime I go into the store there were two cases filled to the max with Wii games that no one has ever heard of before and no one was buying.

Nintendo has a handful of flagship great games but honestly if you want to know the real reason their systems keep selling, its because of the loyal Nintendo fanbase that will buy their new systems regardless of what games are released. Ill admit I've owned 2 different Wii's. I kept getting sucked back in by a couple of games. But i'm not falling for it a second time. Bottom line: Nintendo is going the way of Sega.

GameBeaten
GameBeaten

I wasn't even aware this game was being made. Plus, wasn't the previous Lords of Shadow game just a God of War+Shadow of the Colossus ripoff?

boredom_kills
boredom_kills

This kind of story, "Game x not coming to Wii-U for reason y" is becoming a bit too common of late. Nintendo are going to end up mainly a developer/publisher at this rate.

ZomDie420
ZomDie420

well i guess i'm not wasting my money on this game then.

SavoyPrime
SavoyPrime

Frankly, it is a good business move. I don't see why they would waste the resources, money, or time. The Wii U isn't selling well. It would ultimately be a waste.

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@kbaily That theory about 3rd parties wanting nintendo to fail doesnt make much sense. take LoS for instance. Sony has a very similar first party game  (as you acknowledged by calling it GoC), that didnt stop them from releasing it on PS3. Maybe it really is that hard to port it to wii u. Nintendo just isnt using the same hardware as everyone else anymore. Also its more costly for them because they are late in development. But dont worry. I doubt KONAMI will forget that castlevania originated on nintendo's consoles. As casual as wii was, they still made a not-so-terrible castlevania game for it. They will eventually make one for wii u

Double_Wide
Double_Wide

@kbaily 

LOL, yeah and get only the third game in a story driven series a year after everyone else has played it. Oh Nintendo and its console loyalists...

Timmy_Gwar
Timmy_Gwar

@FLEEBS I really don't think the controller is the problem. It got reviewed quite well by a lot of sources.

The problem is Nintendo at its core. They have always been programming and hardware geniuses. Which means that they keep making things run on a small amount of decently advanced hardware that comes at a low cost (relatively). 

This is known also as efficiency.

Great for Rayman, but for all of the games that recently developed that cannot perform on the Wii U hardware, not great. Need I mention the AAA games currently in development? How about a year from now when the Wii U is Gigabytes under the required hardware and still getting shafted by developers? Developers that find it cheaper and easier to develop for Microsoft, Sony and Valve (go Steambox!). Honestly, its business, same thing holding back that elusive female protagonist I keep hearing about.

Also, what don't we know financially? Is Nintendo backing up third party developers? Should they?

A controller, gimmick or not, is just the input. Without intuitive, interesting and, yes , good looking games the controller is a really big etch-a-sketch.

Oh, and haters are going to hate my brethren, fact of forums.

Meatbrawl
Meatbrawl

@Benny_a Yay... 10000 CoDs... wait, maybe some people like originality and innovation.... Rather than generic repetitive garbage... New isn't always better only an idiot assumes that...

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@makoreactors they didnt have "gimmicks" in the days after that ie n64 yet the ps1 sold 3 times more than it. there were no "gimmicks" in gamecube days. it sold worse than n64 while ps2 went on to be the greatest console ever.then we come to wii. you may not care about sales but they CERTAINLY do. dreamcast had no gimmicks, it was great but we know the story. ps3 is great but sony lost about $6 billion. They are only falling behind in the eyes of a selected few who call themselves "hardcore gamers". But who should they listen to, "Hardcore gamers" who would at most whine their downfall (dreamcast) or sales? they will add as many gimmicks as will make their consoles sell as they have no choice.

jenovaschilld
jenovaschilld

@makoreactors The biggest thing Nintendo needs to do is what Sony has 'hopefully' done last month is make an open and real commitment to work with developers in both the design, architecture, dev kits of their machine and future machines. As well as, licensing deals which are all too well known to be unrealistic and unfair to all their developers. They may keep increasing profit margins but they are reducing their market share until they will be the most profitable company who is sells to a total of 20 people. 

ferval100
ferval100

@wyan_ LoL! I was just gonna say that. He just worded it nicely in the interview.

mario113
mario113

@wickdawg01 sega burned it's customers on two products if anything sony is at risk of going the way of sega, Honestly nintendo get into a little financial problem, or developers don't make a game for their consoles everyone thinks it is the end of nintendo, If you looked at the history of the company they aren't in ay danger.

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@GameBeaten Depends on the person playing it. Many people believe it holds an identity of its own.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@GameBeaten It was like Darksiders 1 - an amalgamation of ideas from various series done solidly and greater than the sum of its parts.  It's a very good game.

Metronoid
Metronoid

@GameBeaten Mercury System just blow the series away. Konami is worst than Capcom nowdays.

nami_the_mage
nami_the_mage

@boredom_kills I really don't see that happening to Nintendo.  Besides, it's still early for the Wii U.  Now if this continues to happen in a year from now, that's another story.

jhpeter
jhpeter

@boredom_kills , Never, Sega was bankrupeted at time of Dreamcast, Nintendo has all sale on handheld game market, it will be forever in hardware, is more easy Sony to stop making hardware.

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@SavoyPrime are you sure? i heard it is selling better than ps3 was selling when it was at wii u's current stage (time wise)

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@FLEEBS @blackothh Its not. Just look at it. While ps3 and 360 were getting LoS wii was getting judgement. JUDGEMENT!! (those are castlevania titles, the former greatly superior to the latter.) the problem was not from devs. it was from the system.

FLEEBS
FLEEBS

@Timmy_Gwar I realize that the system is way underpowered, and I also realize that games released on PS4 and the new Xbox will not very not likely be able to be released on Wii U. I have no idea why Nintendo didn't pull out all the stops this time technically. Very bad decision on their part. 

I for one have been pleased with the gaming experiences that the Xbox 360 and PS3 brought to the gaming world, and I'm personally not starving for the what the next systems will offer as far as graphics and processing power. Having said that, the PS4 is rather impressive, and the next Xbox (and Steambox) will likely be as well. But I honestly could be satisfied going another 3-5 years on the types of experiences (i.e. graphics and processing power) we have been able to play on current gen technology. I am super interested in what Nintendo can do with the power that they do have.

Nintendo is crazy. I cannot fathom the stupidity of many of their decisions. They march to the beat of their own drummer. They need to listen to what gamers want (wasn't that the idea behind the Wii U to begin with, anyway?), and they really need to listen to what the community is saying right now, because it's potentially worse for them now than it ever has been. I have a feeling they are not going to go anywhere anytime soon, but if they keep trudging forward with their insane tunnel vision it will eventually lead to their downfall. Nintendo is as guilty of hubris as anyone I've ever seen.

Nintendo needs to garner more third party support, even if they have to pay handsomely for it. They don't need to have the same games as what will be released on the next systems, but they need to get some third parties making games for them period. I see no reason why Castlevania 2, Crisis 3, maybe even Destiny and many other games shouldn't make it to the Wii U. If people really wanted them there they could make it work. Yet many have lost faith in Nintendo, and they need to start mending wounds. I hope they do.

Graphically I think the Wii U should hold it's own for awhile. I believe there will be less of a difference between what the Wii U can display compared to the PS4 and the next Xbox than what there was between Wii compared to the PS3 and 360. I just don't expect as big of a jump in WOW factor.

The Wii U is fun, and I really look forward to what games we will see on it. I just think those games need to get here soon, and I think people need to not write the system off.

Benny_a
Benny_a

@Meatbrawl @Benny_a originality and innovation has nothing to do with nintendo, never was and never will.

Nintendo is like activision, the only reason they get a pass is because people feel nostalgic, they played these same games in childhood.

They re-make, re-paint and re-sell sameold crap over and over and over again.

They even recycle old hardware and sell it as new and innovative.

You have to be a total moron, fanboy or have no idea about tech spects to belive that nintendo stands for innovation.


WolfGrey
WolfGrey

@mario113  Sony's PS3 had a rough time but did actually pretty well considering in the end.

The PS4 aims to correct this shortcomings and mistakes they made.

Sony isn't in danger really.

hitman047m4
hitman047m4

@FLEEBS  Good points you guys brought up.

Technically, the WiiU will be left behind (not ala 7th generation) when the Xbox720/PS4 comes out. I think that many gamers ignore that Nintendo is trying (for some time now) to distance themselves from the competition. They learned that a high end technological home console was not the way to go... at least for them (see N64 and Gamecube). So, their main focus is to bring something different (whether it is innovative or not), and will continue to try reinvent the wheel (not always a good thing) for as long as they can.

About Nintendo listening; they have being doing that for quite a while (specially with developers). Nintendo, as a company, will listen, but not always will do what is requested (there are a lot of examples for this)... think about this from a personal stand point. Will you do everything people tell you no matter what? IMO if you do this, at some you will lose your identity.

About 3rd support, that is just a box of surprises. If you look at the Wii's library, will tell you that most companies did not know what to do with it; so, most of them created shovelware or terrible ports for the Wii... saying this, I can tell you that there are a lot of 3rd party titles (exclusives and multiplats) that really are worth picking/checking up for that system. It is easy to blame Nintendo (with true facts and without them) for offering an underpowered system to develop for, but it is really hard to self acknowledge that the idea or what you are doing for that system is not going to work.

About multiplat titles not coming to a Nintendo console, there is one explanation that I can think of right now. Historically very few 3rd party titles have done very well (sell par or more than the 1st and 2nd party titles) on a Nintendo console. IMO, I always thought that this was a problem from a consumer stand point (only buying Nintendo console for the Nintendo game), and not from the final product quality stand point... again there are many examples of this.

and yes it is true... haters are indeed going to hate no matter what any company will do.

In the end, what should matter the most, is whether you are happy or not with the purchase... the rest is just ambient noise that can easily be controlled.

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@Benny_a @xaxbxab @Meatbrawl Mario may not be the best thing ever but look at its reviews. How then can it be accused of being remakes of the same old crap. Though, if consoles die out and all nintendo ms and sony have are their software, nintendo will fall behind all of them as mario is inferior to halo and gow. By the way, the gamepad is also a good innovation.

Benny_a
Benny_a

@xaxbxab @Benny_a @Meatbrawl Are you serious? Yes Nintendo has its place in History BUT its History, we should respect them for it but not lick their assholes.

Motion control is a Gimmick, Sony just copied the gimmick to appeal to the casual market, it was never the main feature and never will be.

Kinect is totally different, it also appeals for casual market but it has a future beyond the simple casual games, its actually innovative technology developed in Israel (MS just purchased the company to work for them), refined / upgraded Kinect can be a good thing even for regular games as add-on to the gamepad of course.

It also has a future helping Disabled people play games.

Mario games are just stupid simple (remakes of same old crap) platform games, Modern Ratchet and clank is 100 times much better, interesting and cool to play

You have to be a kid or nostalgic nerd to think that maerio is the best thing ever, I would DIE from shame if someone sees me playing mario, but im 32, maybe your 16 so thats ok, you have time to grow up.

xaxbxab
xaxbxab

@Benny_a@MeatbrawlI see.... nintendo were the ones who brought video gaming back to the states after atari caused the industry to crash. nintendo introduced analog sticks rumble paks and the current motion control (befor you call it gimmickry ask your self why ps move and xbox kinect exist) . the 3d marios are one of the most innovative games out there. they do plague on nostalgia. but to accuse them of "remaking , reselling and repainting the same old crap" is moronic.


Meatbrawl
Meatbrawl

@Benny_a @Meatbrawl Oh and how was the Wii not innovative or original? When it was next to PS3s 6 different angles! Controller... then quickly xbox and PS come up with kinect and whatever the PS is called, both crap...

Meatbrawl
Meatbrawl

@Benny_a @Meatbrawl Just compared to the competition they are a lot more innovative and original than the consoles... Heck a PC is the way to go... pretty much any game you want is on there... and Nintendo has it consoles different... why would I buy a shitty version of a pc? when I can just plug a controller in?...