Call of Duty players are more casual than hardcore, says Infinity Ward

"We can't change too many of the core rules," adds executive producer.

Players of Call of Duty are more likely to play in a "casual game space" according to developer Infinity Ward.

In an interview with OXM, Infinity Ward producer Mark Rubin explained why he didn't see the arrival of Xbox One and PlayStation 4 having much of an effect on the Call of Duty community this year. "Regardless of platform--people's gaming habits aren't going to change just because there's a new platform," he said.

"We have an enormous amount of players who are more in the casual game space, but they play a lot."

Many Call of Duty players are frequently playing the FPS series, but are unlikely to class themselves as hardcore gamers, or even gamers at all, added Rubin.

"It's kind of a weird, ironic thing to say," he added. "They aren't hardcore gamers, or even gamers, but they play Call of Duty every night. And those guys are going to continue to play regardless of platform. So I think not only will we continue to engage with that existing player base, but we'll take next-gen and see how far we can go with it."

In another interview with OXM, Rubin previously likened Call of Duty to a sport, saying that the game can't be too radically different every single year.

"There is the obvious truth that if this were football, and next year they decided we only want seven players a side and you can use your hands, I don't think people would want to go to many of those games," he said.

"So we can't change too many of the core rules, and the core rules are really simple. You're a player, it's in first-person, you have a weapon in your hand, and you run around shooting other people."

"We can play a lot with the outside of how that works, and it's things like character customisation, making the movement through that world better, making the world itself more interesting, adding the new modes, adding the new dynamic maps."

Call of Duty: Ghosts will be released for Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, WIi U, and PC on November 5. Xbox One and PlayStation 4 versions will follow at launch.

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Darklurkr23
Darklurkr23

Exactly what I thought.  Anytime you see a random that sucks in ANY game, all you gotta do is go to their tag or ID, you sell around 20% in COD 4,5,6,7,8,9 and no single player trophy record, nor any other but 2-3 games at 5% including the one you are doing.

Hurvl
Hurvl

What everybody knew or suspected: many CoD players only play CoD. That's one reason why it continues to sell so well and smash its own sales records, because it appeals to casual gamers, people who then don't play anything else at all. I've got a fairly limited taste and mostly only play one game at a time, but just playing games from the same franchise (or the same game over and over, some would say) is bit too extreme for me.

SgtStrungOut
SgtStrungOut

To all the casual gamers that dickride COD, it's not a console, it's a Call of Duty disc player.

strothers101
strothers101

I don't know about the casual nature of the series. There are a lot of small children playing it though. Its kind of like a digital baby sitter.

moesuir
moesuir

I always wondered why they show off 50 year old "gamers" in their tv commercials. This clears it up.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

"...Rubin previously likened Call of Duty to a sport..."

That's funny, that. I don't like sport much either.

Am I surprised by Rubin's casual gamer comment? Yes, but only because it's coming from someone within the Activision walls.

sinadoom
sinadoom

Call of Duty is no longer what it was. Over time it's been more catered towards kids and gamers who want a game that requires very minimal skill and precision - perhaps even the most "noob-friendly" shooter ever. That is why people who are STILL playing Call of Duty AND take it seriously as if it's super-skilful aren't hardcore gamers.

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

Like happens with WoW, there is a considerable number of the CoD fanbase that are not gamers at all. They just like CoD and that is the only thing they play (Nothing bad, all things said)

Draken_Domingo
Draken_Domingo

Here's the difference between casual and hardcore gamers -

Casuals tend to play games that are more well known or 'acceptable' to play. For the most part, these games have a very small learning curve and are essentially games that are really easy to pick up and play, most of them which have awards for doing almost anything in the way of achievements/xp etc. (ie you reloaded twice! Yay for you! 10 points for Gryffindor!).

Hardcore gamers, on the other hand, usually are more likely to find enjoyment in games with steeper learning curves that give you a sense of reward through personal gain (Starcraft, Street Fighter and Counter-Strike are great examples of this) and are willing to put the time in to learn how to better themselves and learn the game. 

Of course, everyone has their own perspective on what makes a casual a casual and what makes a hardcore gamer hardcore, but that's also because everyone is different. Some hardcore gamers play for hours and hours on end while balancing a perfectly normal social and work life. It all depends on the person

kbaily
kbaily

See a lot of people don't understand what a "casual" gamer truly is. For years everyone assumed they were just ordinary folks who played Wii party games, stuff on their phone and browser games but while everyone whined about Wii owners just playing Wii Sports, there are just as many who had 360s and only had them for CoD, Madden, GTA and stuff like that.  Also casual gamers aren't some flilth that's "below us" nor are they incompentent morons who can't play challenging things.  If casual gamers can't play real games, why aren't David Cage's interactive movies selling massive numbers? Maybe because casual gamers like GAMEPLAY in their games.

ZeroFallout1
ZeroFallout1

Cod is a fun game but I'm tired of it. I can't support their copy and paste anymore. I do feel games have become more easier to appeal to the masses. I like hard games as they cause you to think and strategise. If you limit yourself to 1 or three genre of games then your not a hardcore gamer.

surfacegeek
surfacegeek

COD ares for nature, they recycle alot

corrus
corrus

Now i know why they releasing the game for Wii U LOL

prats93
prats93

Most people that play COD only own COD and sports games like FIFA or NBA 2K for their respective systems. That is the definition of casual. The COD games have always been accesible which is why so many casuals have gravitated towards them. They like being in a virtual Skinner box that constantly activiates their dopamine receptors, its simple reward based gameplay that is no different from those shitty cow clickers on the IOS platform. DOTA and Counter Strike are hardcore MP games given their steep difficulty curves unlike COD and Battlefield.

arqe
arqe

Seems like ( OBVIOUSLY ) "Hardcore Gamer" means something different in every single mind. So who is to say "This is the definition of Hardcore Gamer".

People who doesnt even leave the house because of playing games are Hardcore ?

People who wins millions by playing game at tournaments are Hardcore ?

People who plays games also develops games are Hardcore ?

People who plays only 1 game day & night are Hardcore ?

I mean you can count hundreds of things like these so who is casual , who is hardcore ...

Just leave it and enjoy the games you play.

But we cant do that can we. We are all "Selfish Human Beings" after all.

onixevil
onixevil

Muted players =Casual

Unmuted players=Hardcore  

Yeah it's totally their faults . 

aell329
aell329

They are so casual they don't even realize they are buying the same game over and over every year.....

19James89
19James89

I won't be buying this game because I'm bored of CoD but I hope it sells the same amount of units as last years game 24million+ and I hope Activision keep publishing yearly additions. If it angers a majority of gamers then that's fine by me. Some of the comments in this topic are hilarious. "How dare somebody enjoy a game that I dislike immensely, I will insult them and behave in a superior manner because I am better than those children who play CoD, I buy year installments of Fifa and Assassin's Creed, so I'm a hardcore gamer bro". Quite why people get angry about what other people buy and play is beyond me. I think they need to a get a life and mind their own business. 

SgtStrungOut
SgtStrungOut

@Darklurkr23 That even applies to the COD players that don't suck on COD. They are only good on COD but suck at all other games since COD takes no skill.

Luizao2779
Luizao2779

@strothers101 Yes sir, And I really hope it stays like that so it keeps the annoying children from other games.

Luizao2779
Luizao2779

@AnNiHiLaTor808 How is that heresy when COD is plagued by tons of small children (who shouldn't be there in teh first place). You might not consider yourself a casual gamer and that is right, but unfortunately for the franchise, most of the people who plays it are casual.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

@Warlord_Irochi I dunno about your 'nothing bad' comment. It's gotten to the point where the outside world only sees us as playing 'THAT shooting game', which annoys me given all the other rich and rewarding gaming experiences out there.

x_hunter00
x_hunter00

@Draken_Domingo You couldn't be more wrong. It doesn't come down to learning curves. It actually comes down to how engaged the person is in a game. Casual gamers just see video games as just a time waster or maybe something to entertain guests. Hardcore gamers see it as a legitimate form of entertainment . Also hardcore gamers when they play they actually play with a sense of purpose. If they play CoD then they play to win and be number one in every match. If they play Final Fantasy then they go grind and spend hours upon hours just to acquire a piece of armor . 

Using your example,a casual gamer will just play for an hour an just simply play. A hardcore player within that same hour doesn't just play but instead is playing to discover a new combo or triying to figure out the exact moment to counter an attack 

sinadoom
sinadoom

@Draken_Domingo  That is such a great distinction. It's not about choice of platform or playtime necessarily - it's the approach and some games allow for self-improvement better than others.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

@ZeroFallout1 I can't agree that your status as a hardcore gamer is determined by how many genres you play. What's wrong with trying to perfect your skills in one or two so long as you can apply them to many of the games in that genre?

SgtStrungOut
SgtStrungOut

@19James89 Guess what? I like insulting COD players. It is very fun. How about you stop defending crappy retards who suck at games. It makes you sound like a COD slave.

Draken_Domingo
Draken_Domingo

@x_hunter00 I hate to tell you this, but that example you used actually helps my argument. As I said, casuals are more likely to pick up games that are easier to play hence they can play them casually and at their own leisure (and with regards to cod, some play for hours because of the addictive nature). And yes, a hardcore player -would- be trying to discover new ways to improve themselves because that is a part of the learning curve. Every game has one, it's just each has their own depth, and even out of my own group of friends, the one with the deeper gameplay gets more playtime from us. 

The thing is, games like cod are built with 'the masses' in mind. Sure, there are 'hardcore' cod players, but I wouldn't call them hardcore gamers by any means. The reason? Because some of them dont even play video games outside of a select few. A good friend of mine is a great example of this. He's been hooked on cod since Black Ops 1, but he doesn't play games outside of it. 

I don't want to say you're wrong, because as I said, everyone has their own perspective, and it's you're own opinion. But, I do know one thing - casuals are the most likely to believe things like 'ZOMG 360 NO SCOPEZ' are actual skill.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

@sinadoom @Draken_Domingo Unless you play on a Wii or Wii U.

Kidding! I'm just kidding. Holster your pitchforks.

Luizao2779
Luizao2779

@PlatinumPaladin @ZeroFallout1 I play RPGS, Sports games, Shooters, RTSs, I like Quantic Dreams' games, I play adventure games asn silly games like backpack joyride. I have a PS3, a Wii and a Gaming PC and I really don't consider myself a hardcore gamer, I just play to have fun and enjoy different platforms.

corrus
corrus

@prats93 @corrus Nobody can make money from Nintendo they don't like to share with others 

Luizao2779
Luizao2779

@SgtStrungOut @19James89 Who are you to judge, what other people enjoy and do with their own money? A piece of advice stop spending your money in drugs, go back to school and try to grow in to a better person.

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

@SgtStrungOut Your inability to understand that some people may like only one kind of game does not make better than them, especially when you use words like "Dickride COD".

And nope, haven't played CoD since MW2 (became repetitive after that). But hey! if you want to think that I defend then, then suit yourself; there is no point in saying a word if that is all you understood (althoguh you are provably trolling, which is also quite bad)

I defend gaming, mainly from square minded people like CoD fanboys and CoD haters like you. For me you are both the same.

This conversation is over, happy forum hating ;)

SgtStrungOut
SgtStrungOut

@Warlord_Irochi @SgtStrungOut It's not a insult , it is fact. The COD nerds insult themselves by restricting themselves to playing a game tha insults their intelligence. Looks like you are defending them LMAO. Are you one of them too?

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

@PlatinumPaladin @Warlord_Irochi There is a lot of people that only plays CoD because they are not videogame fans. Just CoD fans. The same way there are people that only like one genre of music or one genre of movies.

Did you saw any kind of judgement there? because there was not. No need to act defensive.

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

@SgtStrungOut @PlatinumPaladin @ZeroFallout1 I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Surely it's not about how many games or genres you play but how long you play them for. If someone were to buy two new games a week (so 104 games a year) but only played each one for an hour, you couldn't honestly tell me that that person was a serious gamer, while someone who spends over half their free time playing three games a year is casual.

Is the world's greatest guitarist less of a musician than someone who can play every instrument adequately?

And since you're clearly not working off of any actual numbers, couldn't you have just said 'more than 1% of games'?