CA senator calls NRA's response to violent games 'pathetic and unacceptable'

Democratic senator Leland Yee says it is "mind-boggling" that National Rifle Association "suddenly cares about the harmful effects of ultra-violent video games."

California senator Leland Yee, whose high-profile violent game law was struck down by the Supreme Court in 2011, has spoken out against the National Rifle Association's recent response to the deadly Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

In a statement to his website, Yee said when his violent game law was brought before the Supreme Court last year, the NRA was nowhere to be seen.

“I find it mind-boggling that the NRA suddenly cares about the harmful effects of ultra-violent video games," Yee said. "When our law was before the Supreme Court--while several states, medical organizations, and child advocates submitted briefs in support of California’s efforts--the NRA was completely silent."

Yee further claimed that the NRA, instead of facing the reality and becoming part of the solution to gun proliferation, is attempting to "pass the buck."

"More guns are not the answer to protecting our children, as evident by the fact that armed guards weren’t enough to stop the tragedy at Columbine High School," Yee said. "The NRA’s response is pathetic and completely unacceptable.”

NRA vice president Wayne LaPierre said at a press conference Friday violent video games like Bulletstorm and Mortal Kombat were partially to blame for December 14's deadly shooting in Connecticut.

Earlier in the week, West Virginia senator Jay Rockefeller introduced a bill to Congress that would direct the National Academy of Sciences to investigate how violent games and other such programming affect children.

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AloeVera4
AloeVera4

Hahahahahaha....this guy JUST got busted by the Feds for Arms Trafficking (research it people)! Unbelievable the utter hypocrisy with these scumbag democrats!!!

notlukesfather
notlukesfather

Senator.Yee@senate.ca.gov

Let him know how you feel

wolfmgs
wolfmgs

LOL he´s holding red dead redemption, assasins creed 2 and GTA 4, they werent ultra violent games, i agree to banish ultra violent games but cmon why didnt SAW movies and Disney stupidity already ban too!!

sonic-boom
sonic-boom

Nobody needs guns. Period. Even police. Take away everyone's gun and no one can shoot anyone.

DeViLzzz
DeViLzzz

Medical background and other checks are needed to get a gun license and a gun license must be presented for any gun purchase.  NRA and the US government this is what is needed in your country.  Use common sense.  Do you really want guns in the hands of people that should not have them ?

sNaKe0630
sNaKe0630

this asshole never played a game in fuckin his life and if he thinks now his law is going to be passed he is wrong because its under the first amendment so this means we would have to take every form of media off the shelves books, movies, tv ect

 

El_Zo1212o
El_Zo1212o

So Leland Yee is now crying that the NRA didn't support him in his quest to ban video games? He's using a tragedy like the CT shooting to push his agenda. He's an opportunistic tw@t and makes me ashamed to be Californian. Someone get him out of office.

cikame
cikame

It's not that armed guards couldn't stop Columbine, it's that they could have stopped it.Just because they couldn't doesn't mean it is a bad idea, i sure hope someone with a gun is near me if i'm ever in trouble.

baconater87
baconater87

If only america had decent parents who controlled what there kids did instead of blaming others when the kid rapes then kills a women.

arjan17
arjan17

To be honnest I don't think anything will change regarding violent videogames and movies. Videogames and movies are a multibilion businesses. Violence is what the masses want and then it's violence what the masses get.

 

If you guys want to satisfy your indoctrinated urge to own weapons for the sake of "freedom", I am affraid this is gonna be the price you pay. 

sieg6529
sieg6529

Yee can go suck a railroad spike.  He's got so much power to do good things in governance, and instead he's crusading against video games.

quinnd6
quinnd6

Why are these dopey idiots with power talking about video games?

Video games have absolutely nothing got to do with what happened.

XxTheEvilxX
XxTheEvilxX

Great comments on here from everyone. I'm glad most of us are smart enough to see through the NRAs bulls***. I am so tired of people blaming video games, movies, rap music, etc.. You know who I blame? The scumbag with a gun.

 

The NRA no longer represents their base but plays directly the people who fund them... gun companies. So is it any surprise that Wonder Turd, the CEO of the NRA, would make that kind of statement. I am sick and tired of people refusing to believe that some can CHOOSE to be evil. Not everything is mental illness influenced by videogames. That is propoganda for the weak minded who can't deal with reality. The shooter alone is responsible.

 

Just look at COD alone. It is played by millions of people yet, most of them do not shoot up schools. Over 22 years ago, a man in Michigan did much worse. He killed more kids in a school in what is still the worst school shooting in history. Are we to blame Mario and Nintendo. Did those little fireballs hitting Koopa Troopers finally push his insanity over the edge and cause him to mass murder over 30 some people? What about the husband who came home and murdered his family wearing a hockey mask? Should we ban all Friday the 13th movies because one sicko decided to hurt people? I'm glad to see the Gamespot crowd is letting their voices be heard. Because there are waaaay too many damn stupid people in the world trying to make gamers look bad. I'm sick of it.

johnnyauau
johnnyauau

If there's one positive thing, the NRA and Wayne LaPierre has aged rather nicely. Their old stance will seriously die away soon, along with their culture need that somehow guns save lives and videogames didn't. Come on, will it take a culling of innocent children to get through the NRA's thick heads?

isshiah
isshiah

i don't share the american fascination with weapons, but i do share a considerable interest in video games. i don't like them being blamed for everything under the sun. bad people existed before videos games and rock and roll, mr silly politician, sir.

Prosercunus
Prosercunus

The Democrats force the NRA to care about a lot of things. As soon as gun violence breaks out they pretty much call them every name in the book. Sure the NRA makes some pretty boneheaded comments, but they are essentially a lobbying group that in their mind is trying to ensure the 2nd amendment.

 

Let's not try to pretend that politicians (mostly Democrats) aren't trying to bait the NRA for their own personal political gain.

Chipster_B
Chipster_B

Its not the game makers fault that kids play ultra-violent games. If parents don't want their kids to play these games then they shouldn't let them. Simple as that. I have a 12 year old son and his Xbox is set up so he can't play games outside his age bracket. If he asks for a game that all his friends are playing that isn't appropriate for him then he gets a swift NO. If he wants to play one of my games that isn't age appropriate he gets a swift NO. Blame parents not game makers. They should take an active role in what their kids are doing/playing and follow the guidelines on the box. I've seen kids that look about 10 pass copies of Grand Theft Auto to their parents in shops and the parent dutifully purchase the game instead of saying "No, its got a big red 18 on the box and you aren't 18."...

 

Rant over...

t-16
t-16

These NRA morons will do anything to avoid facing the truth won't they? It's their fault these children were killed. Clearly when you have over 10,000 people a year being killed in gun crime you have one serious gun crime problem. And there is only 1 logical answer. Ban guns. You know... like every other civilised country in the world.

daBrokenFace
daBrokenFace

It's funny he is holding 'older' games from like 4 years ago

Evilnator
Evilnator

It takes a pretty fucked up person to go on a shooting spree like that, how about we focus on finding and supervising this kind of people? Now, I'm not American so i don't really know the gun laws all that well but why was this person within the reach of a gun when he was clearly unstable? I know there is this whole argument of safety vs freedom and all that..

zekere
zekere

Jesus, in a country where Kinder Surprise is illegal and guns are free with your breakfast cereals, anything is possible, especially when a senator is involved...

Ertrick36
Ertrick36

@sonic-boom They'll just find another means of murder.  The enginuity of man's killing arts are almost as infinite as the expanse of our Universe.  Take away fully-automatic weapons, people will use semi-automatic weapons; take away semi-automatic weapons, they'll use other firearms; take away all firearms, they'll use knives; take away knives, they'll use hammers; take away hammers, they'll use deadly chemicals; take away deadly chemicals, they'll use blunt/sharp objects; take away those, and they'll use pillows; take away pillows, they'll use their fists.  Your ideas of a pacifist world are admirable, but they just aren't realistic.  While I'm not in favor of assault weapons being in existance or America being at war with several nations, it's an unfortunate truth, and there's no use denying it.  Unfortunately, violence defines our culture, and there is no use in trying to take away the means to commit violence because you can't just instantly change a cultural aspect that has existed in our society for almost a half-century now.

DeViLzzz
DeViLzzz

@baconater87 Even if parents did a better job of parenting it doesn't mean there shouldn't be more gun control.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @quinnd6 i have never in my life seen a comment so ignorant, you have NO idea what video games and movies are doing to children, even adults, people are isolating themselves from everything just to play video games, all they do is watch violence and more violence, i turn on my television and all i see on most channels in black magic, sex, crime, violence, violence so brutal people who woulda watched it in theaters 60-70 years ago woulda been scarred for life, but we've come such a long way that we are now desensitized to it, its a process called demoralization, its not that all of them carry out the acts they see, but some do, and inside the persons mind thoughts become very violent and negative, like constant negative thoughts repeating in your brain causing you to hate yourself and others, screaming, swearing, physical violence and losing all values, have you heard the kids that play call of duty??, it is sickening how they talk, all of these things create lack of purpose which is why so many damn kids are committing suicide these days, if you think that video games don't share a huge roll in kids behavior these days, you are either blind or completely spiritually void, because the way ive seen it, media, music, and video games are molding society today, and its getting worse, i watched looper, a 14+ movie, and there was shirtless girls, blood, gore, violence, drug use, all kinds of stuff for a 14 year old kid.... its absolutely terrible, when i have kids there is no way in HELL he or she will be watching that kind of garbage, and it will be my duty whether my kid likes it or not to teach him/her values and love, regardless of what this so called society deems normal.

MaverickZero360
MaverickZero360

 @t-16 Banning guns won't solve the problem. And you can't blame the NRA for what happened either. It was pretty low of them to try and shift the blame to video games before the fingers were pointed at them, but that's beside the point at the moment. Look at the nut who lured firefighters to the site just to kill them? He obtained guns, illegally. It's like fighting a war on drugs or a war on terror, only in this case we're giving criminals the upper hand.

Darth_Starwind
Darth_Starwind

 @Evilnator

 His mother was the problem. She knew he was unstable and didn't report it due to embarrassment. That said, she still indulged his gun activities, even to the point of taking him to shooting ranges to practice. In this case the primary failure was the mother.

Also to note, the gun laws vary from state to state.

In my opinion, the gun laws should not be the sole focus of this tragedy. Mental health care needs to be addressed. If any new gun regulations need to be passed on a federal level, they should be about the mentally ill and they're access to guns. Leave the rest up to the individual states. Different needs require different laws.

sonic-boom
sonic-boom

@Ertrick36 @sonic-boom  

 Guns are a tool which kills people.. it has no other purpose (excluding hunting rifles which can gather food). There are indeed practically infinite ways to kill somebody, but we all know guns are designed to kill living beings and the world does not need them.

CrouchingWeasel
CrouchingWeasel

 @CptJohnnyRico  

A person with the sig from the main protagonist from Starship Troopers lecturing about sex & violence on TV? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

quinnd6
quinnd6

 @CptJohnnyRico 

Its the parents responsibility to not let their kids watch that kind of stuff.  Violent video games and movies have age ratings.  If you're a sane responsible adult it doesn't matter what you watch or play and you have the right to be able to watch or play whatever you want.

arjan17
arjan17

 @CptJohnnyRico  @quinnd6

I once saw an add in a schoolbook. I don't know the excact figures anymore but it pretty much went like this:  

 

England violence related deaths 200 a year (mostly IRA related)

Israel close to 552 (probarly during the palastinian suicide bombings)

US  well over 10000 violence related deaths

 

That ad is about 20 years old, can't find it on the internet sadly

 

This was pretty much before extremely violent videogames. 

 

Now it would be ignorant to claim that videogames don't atribute to violence same with movies pretty much. But it would also be ignorant to claim that these things will go away when you ban violent media. 

 

Not saying a killer is a natural born killer, but some just lack the retardness to become one.

 

 

t-16
t-16

 @MaverickZero360

 Well from my experience living in a country with strict gun laws I have never seen a firearm in the flesh. We have nigh no gun problem what so ever. We certainly don't have our 6 year olds and teenagers being murdered by psychopaths while they are trying to get an education.

Xsdas2
Xsdas2

@CrouchingWeasel @CptJohnnyRico yes because only someone with names like motherteresa or mahatmaghandi or rainbowbright or some g-rated disney cartoon character have the right to speak against violence in the media. I really hope that long laugh is because you realized how poorly thought out your comment is.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @briggsy10  the rest is not borderline conspiracy theories because i experienced them, it is real because i was carrying them out the same way others were, when i was young i was doing lots of drugs and drinking almost to the point that i was 6 feet tall and 110 pounds, you could see my ribs i was on the verse of killing myself, i watched that movie collateral with tom cruise, and right then and there i wanted to be like him, i dressed like him, i acted like him, and im not bullshittin you this actually happened, and you can see it all around you, a few people i was close friends with are in jail for murder because of the influences they had growing up, i was with them so i know exactly what those influences are, i was a product of it, and they went all the way, one of jeffrey dalmer victims who escaped said in court before he would kill his victims he would sit tie them down to a bed and make them watch exorcist his favorite movie, and whenever the priest came up he would mumble to himself as if using a chant, and when jeffrey dalmer was interviewed in jail, he warned the whole world that it was movies that implant these negative influences into the brain, they feed your brain with the negative things and implants the idea of what you could possibly do, until those thoughts become first reaction when stressed out or if someone hurts you emotionally.

 

and i can tell by the way you talk about christianity you know nothing about it, the REAL christians, not the crazy ones you see on media which they use to get people to hate everything about it, and on the streets holding murder everything gods will blah blah, the real christians who dont do that try to follow what jesus/yeshua preached, which is love your enemy, love everything, forgive, show mercy, be wise and do not lash out in anger, be vigilant, do not judge others, i could write down a huge list of good things but i would run out of room, and now mainstream culture teaches, SEX, revenge, murder, materialism, eye for an eye, pretty much brainwashing you into a robot that buys products, use those products, get bored, then buys a newer one, american idol which teaches people to constantly judge others based on there skill and whether they are good enough, convincing young teenagers that being famous is the way to happiness and success, which it is not.

 

and i agree with you, scripted reality shows are terrible, but whoever watches it will not necessarily go out and murder someone, what im saying is that it creates the idea, it plants a seed, for to the disturbed when the opportunity arises, that person would be more likely to carry out the act which they saw and learned on television, and when it gets to the point where when someone sees violence of television and thoroughly enjoys it with a smile on there face saying thats badass which is where society and youth is today, and i was there too believe me, then we got a big problem.

briggsy10
briggsy10

 @CptJohnnyRico I agree with you about education and parenting responsibilities being handed to the TV as an easy way out, but the rest is borderline conspiracy theorizing.

 

I've never denied that media influences people, and that those with pre-existing mental issues - be it from poor upbringing/parenting, or genuine medical issues - are more susceptible. But you have to realise people with these problems are a tiny tiny minority - to outlaw entire industries and and practices based on such small percentages makes no sense, not least because you could easily find a person who is negatively impacted by just about everything the world has to offer, in which case where do you draw the line?

 

I'd also point out that there is a major difference between impersonating the harmless walk, voice, or appearance of a character like Scarface, compared to actually going out doing the violent things he did. Again it brings us back to the minority of people who cannot see that line where it becomes wrong.

 

As for the tantrums and violent reactions to kids having consoles taken away, I think you'll find kids have that reaction to ANYTHING they like being taken away, and always have done. It's in no way specific to games or even modern media - I know for a fact one of my parents reacted the exact same way in the 50s when his mum took away his musical instrument! You're applying standard childish behaviour to a "new" technology, and claiming the whole reaction is new too.

 

You touched on faith and religion being viewed more and more negatively - I'd strongly question why that's a bad thing? Religions like Christianity wrote the book (literally!) on violence and intolerance, not to mention enforced influence even to the point of indoctrination - all the things you complain about modern media doing...

 

That video is a prediction from a guy that happened even before the concept of video games and mass produced media was even conceived! He may well have noticed a pattern in society, but it was evidently a pattern that pre-dated modern media - you just proved that yourself by posting the video.

 

One form of media I would totally like removed from TV is the "scripted reality" genre that's come in over the last 5 years or so. Just about everything else on TV, in films or games, is obviously either factual or fictional, and that is a clear line. Scripted reality blurs the line in such a way that it can be genuinely impressionable - people see fake things happening as if they were real (and not in a movie kind of way) - and therefore assume it's genuine, and therefore OK. It's the most perverse form of entertainment, and I think the most genuinely damaging - albeit still not influential enough to promote murder!

 

These are not new phenomena, far from it. I know it's a cliche, but the buck really does stop with parents, educators, and with people actually enforcing the rules they set (certification processes, etc).

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @briggsy10  i am going to agree with you on some points, but can't you see what it is doing to persons state of being?, depression is on an all time high, domestic violence with children yelling and screaming at there parents because they try to take away there xbox, trust me ive seen it first hand and i did it myself when i was in grade 6, i would scream at the top of my lungs swearing at my parents, they were scared of me just because i wanted to play starcraft, even with my 5 year old nephew, he screams and hits if the parents try to take away the nintendo DS they gave him by mistake without knowing what it would do, people are losing hope and purpose especially within the youth you can see it in the way people talk on facebook, obsessed with sad negative music, death is a new fad, there opinions regarding any hope or faith, there is a planted hatred for it, what media and video games are doing is using the power of suggestion, visuals and verbal negativity constantly being pumped into you for hours upon end, its like being in a state of hypnosis which is the best way to plug in information, to think that way is not twisted at all, constant violent thoughts are very damaging to the individual, when i was growing up everyone i hung out with wanted to be like scarface, people talked like him, moved like him, and even developed the accent like him, dressed in all black suites shoes, i was falling into it aswell, people thought they had to go out and stab someone to prove themselves and they did just that, i saw a lot of terrible shit in the process,  just because of a fuckin movie, i experienced it first hand and almost fell into it myself, thats why i know its the real deal, many people fantasies and even carry out what they see and that is a fact because i was there and saw it unfold first hand, you need to understand many people are messed up mentally, but what these things do is fuel the flame, if you cannot see it as a problem, then to be completely honest with you i don't even want to talk about this subject because i know you are wrong, and don't even talk about education with me, schools don't even teach what is important, children are literally being raised by the state, good parenting and good morals will get the job done, but too bad now adays everything is go go go now, and parents don't have the time to even raise there own children anymore, instead of teaching them good things, they would rather place them in front of a television, (im not saying everyone is like this), to be completely honest, even anxiety is getting 10 times worse, people are so scared of each other now for no reason, just because they've been fed this negative crap there whole lives, divide and conquer if you ever heard that term applies hugely to the path society is on today

watch this video its 4 minutes long, its a broadcast of a man in 1965, predicting exactly what is happening today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GiAYeWGDTM

briggsy10
briggsy10

 @CptJohnnyRico  @Darekin So it's not OK for you to be judged on your chosen username, but it is OK for you to judge based on assumptions you've made about someone else's mental state and playing habits?

I don't think anyone is denying that violent games are definitely unsuitable for kids, but as has already been pointed out - that's why there's a certification process. It needs to be enforced much more vigorously by both retailers and parents.

However, to say games or any other media promote violence and killing more so than actual, real life weaponry is just completed twisted. Given the sheer number of people who play games like COD, watch films like Saw, and listen to music like [insert any typical media-unfriendly rapper her], how is it that mass murderers are still very much a tiny tiny tiny minority? How is it that places like Japan and the UK - that both have huge entertainment and media markets - have so little gun crime compared to the US?

Either you're implying that the population of America are somehow inherently more impressionable and "sponge-like" (to the point of murder) or you're ignoring pretty damning information.

Some people certainly need better upbringing and education, but likewise it's much more difficult to shoot someone with an xbox controller instead of a rifle.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @Darekin do you think im here because i don't play video games? i do play games but i am also aware of what it does, experience plus realization causes me to inform people about things they may not think about while playing them, starship troopers was my favorite movies back in the day, and i liked the name cause to me it sounds hilarious, sounds very cliche and generic so i chose it, it does not define my intentions or how i speak and act what so ever, i grew out of stuff like that actually pretty recently, probably about 2 years ago, doesn't interest me anymore, so don't go around judging people by there internet names and then assume the intentions of that individual are based on the representation of that name.

Darekin
Darekin

 @CptJohnnyRico 

 

And yet your username implies a like for a very graphic and brutal movie series... and book series that promoted militarism. Interesting.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @quinnd6 its not a healthy habit and never will be, you have just convinced yourself it is, just try to understand its not technically you who is hurting people, buts its those who feed negative thoughts into your brain via videos games which are hurting you, and yourself who when given the choice would rather kill people in a video game then to find out who you truly are within and outside of a virtually violent setting, you are literally destroying your frame of thinking to a point where thoughts run rampant, stress level becomes intolerable, anxiety and negative violent thought become dominant to the point where you just said it.... "its fun to shoot things" mentality,  you may not think its damaging your intent to enjoy that which is not inherently violent, but until you study it and put your other things aside and try to recognize it, you will never understand and be trapped in a bubble until there is nothing left of your confidence, self esteem, love, values and self worth, i did not mean to be rude and call you ignorant i apologize, but i just want to tell you what ive studied for so many years, and even endured myself to the point of self realization, i just want to help and spread what ive learned, and i feel even just by writing something to you, and for you to read it, even though you may not agree or hate me for it, i just hope you take in even just a little bit of what ive said, that is all.

quinnd6
quinnd6

 @CptJohnnyRico I give up .I'm bored of this. I'm going back to playing some medal of honor warfighter. Call me ignorant, selfish whatever but  it's a healthy habit for me anyway and without it I know I'd be bored to tears. Shooting things and blowing things up in games is fun and does no one any harm.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @quinnd6 you need to understand that the mothers and fathers of this generation were also born into the same kind of the thing, since birth.. if not raised properly you will be programmed into a lie, many of them fail to see what it is doing to there children, basically they sit them infront of a TV cause they are so busy and have so much to do, and there children just soak in whatever is on it, even video games.... there is a reason they call it tv PROGRAM and video games apply to the same thing, and it should never be considered a baby sitter, but unfortunately the last generation is very similar to this one, im not saying everyone is like that, its a battle, but many let there children do what they were aloud to do, its a domino effect and will only progress into a worse state.

CptJohnnyRico
CptJohnnyRico

 @arjan17  demoralization has been happening since a long time ago, a man names yuri bezmonov made a 1 hour video in los angeles 1983 explaining exactly what is happening in america and how they are doing it, after he defected from KGB intelligence and journalism and escaped to canada, he explains exactly how its going down, and why it is turning out this way. Another man named paul harvey made a broadcast in 1968, also explaining exactly what is happening today and how it would escalate,  there were many things before video games that attributed to the rise in this kind of behavior, video games just add to the fire and are just as good at programming people as old school methods like propaganda in television, newspapers, books, and even the school system which right now raises the children because parents are far to busy with work and other things to support there families, depending on how you take it and how aware you are, if you are aware of the effect it may have on you, you can be better prepared to defend yourself, but if not you are like a sponge just soaking in all of what is givin to you, plain and simple.... antisocial and psychotic behavior is on this rise, i suggest you take a look at paul harvey - if i were the devil, or evil yuri bezmonov 1983 classroom speech, i can tell you are intelligent so i would suggest looking into it, you will not regret it.

MaverickZero360
MaverickZero360

 @wwlettsome  @t-16 I agree that you can't say the same thing about a gun. A gun can be used for killing, injuring, or self-defense.

 

However, to argue that the kids are still alive doesn't deter from the fact that a knife was still used to harm children. They may not be dead, but they will possibly suffer a great deal of trauma.

 

Another case here recently involved a man walking into a college classroom and killing the instructor using a crossbow before killing himself.

 

Again, no gun was used and yes, there aren't many different ways to use a crossbow. But it's not the point I'm trying to make. Granted (and thank goodness) the man failed to kill anyone (in the China incident), but the point I'm trying to make is that if you can't get your hands on a gun, there will be people who will figure other ways to kill people. Sadly, at the end of the day, a sick psychopath will still be a sick psychopath.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-illegal-assault-rifles-20121226,0,5101448.story

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-attacks-22-kids-knife-china-school-article-1.1220230

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/30/3-reportedly-killed-during-attack-at-wyoming-community-college/

wwlettsome
wwlettsome

 @MaverickZero360  @t-16 The difference with the guy in China is last I saw all 20 or so children he slashed were still alive and will be home to their families. I can't imagine the grief of the 20 families in the US that had to bury their children and will never see them again and the other families that lost loved ones because this sick fuck pumped multiple rounds from a semi-automatic rifle into each of them.

 

Also a knife can be used as a tool in a variety of ways, not just for killing. I'm pretty sure you can't say the same thing about a gun.

MaverickZero360
MaverickZero360

 @t-16 I've lived in the US all my life and have not seen a firearm myself. While I do believe we need stricter gun laws, I don't see what a complete ban will do. This kid had issues and whether he had a gun or not, he would've done this.

 

Recently there was a man in China who went on a rampage with a knife, slashing as many school children as he could. If that were to happen here, would it make sense to propose a ban on knives?

 

I'm not sure where you are from, but here in the US we have the right to bear arms. While I don't like guns myself, I don't believe that that should stop someone from legally obtaining a gun to protect his or her self.

Prosercunus
Prosercunus

 @t-16  @MaverickZero360 

 

Switzerland has mandatory gun laws (i.e. they have to own a firearm) for males in their country. Their gun crime rate is so low that records aren't even kept.

 

As far as the states go. Spree shootings are clearly a problem. However it is much more cultural. You simply don't ban peoples fundamental constitutional rights because a very very small percentage of Americans were shot and killed by a psychopath. No matter how atrocious the crime is you never pass laws based on emotions.

 

The rest of the gun crime is largely minority based and again something you need to address in another matter.. Banning weapons from law abiding surbanites and rural people (i.e. white people if you want to be true about it) will do absolutely nothing about minority based crime in places like Chicago  (which btw has the strictest gun laws in the country and yet some if not THE highest gun violence in America)