Bungie: Gamers "too quick" to compare Destiny enemies to Halo's Covenant

Developer recommends fans "check out the demo again" to spot differences and examples of variety.

People were "too quick" to compare Destiny's enemies to Halo's iconic Covenant forces, developer Bungie Studios has said in its latest Mail Sack feature.

Describing the four-armed Fallen enemy type in Destiny, Bungie said this antagonist force is actually more varied and diverse than the Covenant are as a whole.

"Take the Fallen, for example. When people saw them at E3, they were all too quick to compare them to the Elites you fought in Halo," Bungie said. "In truth, the Fallen are as varied and diverse as the Covenant as a whole."

Bungie then recommended players watch the demo again for further evidence of the differences and examples of variety.

"Check out the demo again, and see how many varieties you can spot. Some of the smaller targets, like the Shanks and Dregs, will draw your fire," Bungie said. "The larger crews, the ones that include Vandals or Captains, will have you wishing you brought that Fireteam. And let's not forget about those moments when we'll drop something as big as a Devil Walker in your path."

Destiny, along with an all-new Halo title, is currently in development for release in 2014.

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Ryuuken27
Ryuuken27

Add Oculus Rift support, or shut the fuck up!

Dredcrumb9
Dredcrumb9

lol at anyone who buys this game.

DemoKnight10656
DemoKnight10656

of course gamers quick to judge because gamers are idiots me being one of them. if you play the same thing like cod and you see something different they will immediately not like it because its different from what they play. it takes a smart gamer to actually play the game before judging anything and making a smart remark

Sikrion
Sikrion

Clearly they haven't seen the same trailers and game play from their game that I have seen.

Prats1993
Prats1993

Oh Bungie, ur insecurity and lack of creativity never ceases to amaze. Just admit u have run out of ideas and are essestially creating a generic scifi mmo shooter.

Imperiusmax
Imperiusmax

It looks like a good game. If there are a few similarities who cares.

DeFiLeDTitan
DeFiLeDTitan

maybe we can start comparing them to gears of war enemies too

ShimmeringSword
ShimmeringSword

This is a big issue with consumers towards media and I'm glad Bungie isn't afraid to speak up on this. The knee jerk gamer response is always to try comparing things, and then jumping to a sense of "you're not original" with it. As an illustrator myself and observing other artists, these types of comparisons can be very insulting toward our creativity. Making offense isn't always the consumers intent, but it still happens.

Next time you think two things looks alike, take that piece of advice and look at them again. Do they REALLY look alike? Odds are they probably don't, and you should keep your accusations to yourself.

Apathy4Marmite
Apathy4Marmite

If they were tall and agile, people would say they look like Elites.

If they were short and agile, people would say they look like Jackals.

If they were tall and dumb, people would say they look like Brutes.

If they were short and dumb, people would say the look like Grunts.

Halo's enemy variants aren't exactly the height of originality themselves. :/

Shantmaster_K
Shantmaster_K

Destiny looks pretty sweet. Bungie hasn't let me down yet. 

Chico86_basic
Chico86_basic

I think the gamer mentality usually needs some sort of comparison, so if the enemy has two legs in Destiny it's obviously similar to Halo's Elites...

D1N02982
D1N02982

The Fallen sort of look like the Promethean Knights from Halo 4 lol 

Tyroshubi
Tyroshubi

I don't know what all the hub bub is about in this chat, who cares if two aliens seem alike... i bet there's hundred of more in the game that are different, that doesnt make it halo o.0.

tommynj
tommynj

So far I think Bungie is doing a great job. So if it has some features like Halo who cares ? Halo was a great franchise...

justinka777
justinka777

it looks like Halo because of what? they walk on 2 legs? they shoot at you with alien guns? come on these comparisons are stupid you could describe any science fiction game on those.

MVan86
MVan86

I cannot deny that what I've seen of the Fallen makes me think of Elites/Sangheilis, at least as a superficial level;  tall, lean, powerful, nimble, vaguely noble and dangerous at all ranges.

But the other races don't really remind me of anything from Halo - the Cabal have a definitely different look and feel to the Brutes/Jiralhanae, the Hive strike me as more insect like than the Flood, apart from the one eye shown by the Monitors and Sentinels the Vex don't really resemble anything from Halo while Bungie were at the helm, and as for the Onyx Pryamids well we know pretty much nil about them. 

I think it's inevitable that people will see, rightly and wrongly, some similarities between Bungie's respective games since a lot of the crew have been there for a long time but that's not to say they'll be same. I mean look at the Devil Walker - yeah sure there are some overall similarities to the Wraith in the rounded lines and such... but it walks and has multiple guns and modes of attack.

foxrock66
foxrock66

Look, Bungie, the game looks nice. I'm very interested. But just admit we're fighting Covenant 2.0

wewerethere
wewerethere

They have the same general look, but that's just 'cause Bungie made them. Upon closer inspection, their different enough. It's not like anybody has any original alien concepts anyways.

brainiac1988
brainiac1988

Ive played halo 1-4. Destiny does not look like halo.

Godsire-
Godsire-

I am actually looking forward to seeing what Bungie can do while not being "hampered" by Microsoft making them produce Halo titles only. While I didn't care much for the FPS series 'Marathon' back in the day, at least it was different and interesting.

And the original 'Halo' was an amazing game. Too bad Microsoft had to run that series into the ground like most companies do these days.

SpazldNinjaDude
SpazldNinjaDude

@Ryuuken27 Yes because Xbox supports it....anyway if it comes to PC, it will be modified to support it.

themc_7
themc_7

@Imperiusmax I agree. people will always make assumptions. let the game do the talking. If it's good, it's good.

williebazerka
williebazerka

@ShimmeringSword You can't win.Either gamers are complaining a game is "Same sh*t again if it's not radically different or they complain "Why did you change that? Why didn't you just update the graphics?

halo-freak
halo-freak

@Chico86_basic It's human mentality really. Stereotyping is done in the same fashion.

As soon as we see anything new we search are memories for something similar. That's just how the brain functions.

MVan86
MVan86

@tommynj Indeed - what else do you expect when a company with broadly the same personnel for over 20 years has made several similar games over the years? 

Heh Halo still is a great franchise and a lot of it is owed to Bungie.

AncientDozer
AncientDozer

@MVan86 

Indeed. There are a lot of justifiable comparisons to Halo. Not just that but also Bungie's apparent love of dropships coming in and bringing in more troops.

Some games may do that once or twice, maybe a couple times more but Bungie ALWAYS finds a way to sneak in waves of dropships bringing in troops AND tanks.

MVan86
MVan86

@foxrock66 They've all been shown to be working together... when? About the closest we've got to that are some Cabal and Fallen advancing together in a concept art... but while surrounded by some weird light that could be controlling them.

foxrock66
foxrock66

@brainiac1988 I can do that too. 

I've played Halo 1-4, the spinoffs, and watched the crappy movies. Destiny /does/ look like Halo.

dkade
dkade

@williebazerka @ShimmeringSword That's exactly what every comments section has become. It's really sad that people can't have an actual conversation about the game and choose to bash it for no good reason and without any facts. I guess they just didn't get any attention as a child and are still making scenes just to get noticed or some bs.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@dahui58 @Apathy4Marmite naw you could compare halo enemies to doom enemies easy, Elites are Imps, Brutes are hellknights, grunts are pinkies and jackals are soldiers.

LatinproX
LatinproX

@halo-freak I found it more similar to Mass effect trilogy, but then again, I didn`t play that much halo.

rolla020980
rolla020980

@ElFlechero 

And that's why it wasn't as good. I mean, all of the guns are the same whether they are human, Covenant, or Promethian. You have a pistol, automatic rifle, burst rifle, semi-auto rifle, sniper, and rocket. Throw in the rare classic covi weapons and you have a lack of originality on 343's part. You add a whole new race to the series and you have the same old guns.

D1N02982
D1N02982

@ElFlechero @D1N02982 Still its Halo dude i'm not dumb

warorpeace2020
warorpeace2020

@williebazerka @dkade truth has been told, but still. its the dev style, there may be some similarities. i actually expect to see some "dev traces" on its games, since its their style of doing it. if you look at halo 4 wich is made by 343 and the other halos that bungie made, halo 4 has a slightly different view of the halo universe from bungie's view. still i agree with you and bungie, that the similarities are too few to exist comparison between them.

williebazerka
williebazerka

@dkade The internet allows people to say whatever they want,good or bad,to anyone they want without ever having to answer for it while remaining anonymous.It gives them courage to say things they never would in real life.

warorpeace2020
warorpeace2020

@stan_boyd @dahui58 @Apathy4Marmite halo itself aint something very original. its just a story of a "patriotic" supersoldier. if you look at that point, most things arent so original... (still i love the halo franchise)

MVan86
MVan86

@D1N02982 Prometheans are not part of the Covenant nor creations of Bungie - argument invalid.