Bungie: Destiny not "dumbed down" for current-gen

Developer says its game engine was designed with scalability in mind.

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Players who pick up a current-generation version of Destiny in 2014 shouldn't worry about their game being "dumbed down" compared to the next-generation iterations, Bungie has said. As part of the latest Bungie Weekly Update, the developer said its game engine--Grognok--was designed with scalability in mind.

"We knew when we started on this game that we would want to release it on a lot of boxes. We also knew that, among all the trails that our Guardians would blaze, some of them would lead to the next generation of gaming," Bungie said.

"Thus, we built ourselves a new game engine that would let us bring the noise to a lot of consoles," the developer added. "Basically, we can envision a big, beautiful world in our development environment, and then deliver that world to consoles in a way that maximizes its capabilities to make magic happen."

Destiny is currently in development for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4. A PC version has not been ruled out. Bungie said in February that all versions of Destiny will contain the developer's "full vision" for the title, though it remains to be seen what specific differences there are between generations.

Not all developers believe cross-generation development is a good idea. The Witcher developer CD Projekt Red CEO Marcin Iwinski explained in April that developers must compromise when making games for current- and next-generation platforms. Furthermore, these compromises may negatively impact gamers, he argued.

A beta for Destiny will launch on all announced platforms in early 2014, before the full game rolls out later that year.

Discussion

142 comments
richar4260
richar4260

I just hope for everyone - and PC, that Bungie do make the best versions possible on each platform. I'll believe it when I see it. Whatever platform you have, you deserve that and Bungie can rot in hell if they "dumb down" versions. I think that is pathetic if they do that. If you have a PC I don't see why Bungie can't give those guys more breadth of control with the keyboard and mouse buttons etc. 


PS I don't play PC games and I don't want to go into that. It doesn't matter. I only play consoles. I have swapped this time from Xbox to PS - just my call. Good luck to everyone.

zenstrata
zenstrata

Destiny is already 'dumbed down' because its only on consoles and will only work with console controllers.  That automatically puts huge limitations on what you can do with the game because of the lack of the full suite of options that a keyboard and mouse represents.

madgame23
madgame23

So I would say get a new console go experience the full scale of the game!

deBASer56
deBASer56

Destiny is probably gonna be a Halo-esque cash cow, not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but I will be keeping my expectations low regarding this game. To me, seeing developers release games on two different generations of consoles, it is clearly to take advantage of the already existing current-gen market. In other words less risk for more or the same reward.

fuzzymutt
fuzzymutt

Wait. Does this mean if I get it for ps3 or 360 their is no difference for next gen. What would be the point on getting it for next gen then? 

jd7904
jd7904

Yay for the internet! The only place where we can hate on everything in complete anonymity. I really don't have much interest in this game,but the anger and hate in some posts is just ridiculous. Maybe it's time for some to find a new hobby if we are so jaded that this article makes you that angry.

Ladiesman17
Ladiesman17

it's 720p up-scaled all over again. lol

prats93
prats93

How do you dumb down an already dumb shooter?

SweatySasquatch
SweatySasquatch

So, in turn, it will be dumbed down because of current gen , and not for current gen then ? The game engine being used can not have that much scalability.

At3fD
At3fD

Not buying it for current-gen, buying it for next-gen. i mean c'mon we all know that the xbox one and the ps4 versions are better in terms of graphics than the 360 and ps3 version.

Redrivar
Redrivar

I don't believe that Cd projekt red has access to the largest budget ever attached to a game in the history of games.  I think Destiny's cross platform is a calculated part of the game's design rather than a liability.

sakaixx
sakaixx

never got into the HALO craze so I don't really know bout this game but I do like the settings of that game so this game may have a promise in them . 

gamingnerd121
gamingnerd121

Kinda like Blizzard, which makes Warcraft run on pretty much anything. In other words, don't expect too much from this game. I believe CDPR is correct in this case, and you either go next gen or not.

mattcake
mattcake

If it hasn't been dumbed down for current gen, then it's been dumbed down on the next gen version instead.

arqe
arqe

Never liked Halo even i prefer Xbox over PS , and i dont think this will interest me aswell. And if not coming to PC i pass automaticly.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

It's a consolized shooter.  It's already been dumbed down for PC.  Don't lie to us.

shingui5
shingui5

Who is this guy, and why does he speak like a moron? 

'Make the magic happen'? 
shut up -.-

Diegoctba
Diegoctba

I want to buy this game, and i really hope they don't release for pc.

pcgamer194
pcgamer194

Now absolutely no reason to buy into the anti-consumer, hate-filled, corporate hands in your pockets, "next-gen".

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

 I cant wait to see how this game turns out!

It better be as good as I'm hoping!

stuff238
stuff238

Destiny looks pretty bad so far. I really don't care about the factions fighting against each other. Sounds like MAG which sucked. Oh look, I'm a bad alien dude. I'm a human. And the other ones are snipers! whoopty freaking do. Does this game even have a single player? If it doesn't, then count me out. I don't care for online games. I get bored of them after a month. At least with single player I can re beat it any time I want.

RELeon
RELeon

Can't put it on PC because they are "spread too thin" from putting it on 4 consoles, 2 of which are outdated. Probably coulda made it super sexy on PC, Xbox One, and PS4. But instead you focused on 8 year old out of date consoles. Its a shame, really. Next gen consoles will get dumbed down, and PC won't get it at all. They are killing their own sales.

tduhon07
tduhon07

@fuzzymutt He mean's dumbed down as in not excluding features I would assume. Basically, It won't look near as good, and it wont run at 1080p (though in fainess, the One probably wont either) and it also probably won't run at 60 fps like it probably will on the One and PS4.

Navardo95
Navardo95

@jd7904 Indeed...especially gaming websites...its filled with some sadistic people whose life primarily revolves around gaming...people really need to get other hobbies if you ask me...

azyral_stark
azyral_stark

@Redrivar CD Projekt are one of the few developers that are passionate and honest. All their games are triple AAA titles with high quality production values. 

NTM23
NTM23

@arqe I'm not saying this like I'm naively astonished, but genuinely curious: what don't you like about Halo? I think if you're into sci-fi, it's a pretty darn good series. To me, it's more than just a run through of gunning things down, though that's a possibility in the game; just not how I like it.

llong187
llong187

@Diegoctba Why the hell wouldn't you not want it released on the PC? Afraid it's going to look better than Xbone/PS4? Mad you don't own a PC?  Afraid it's going to "dumb down" your console experience?


tduhon07
tduhon07

@stuff238 You do realize it has a single player right? Its far more like a more expansive Borderlands than it is MAG.

justinka777
justinka777

@stuff238 lol it sounds like you have been keeping up to date on some other game, nothing of what you said is true.

kobyjordan7
kobyjordan7

@stuff238 Sounds like you don't really like video games so you just play singer player on easy just to make yourslf feel good.

Gunmaster51
Gunmaster51

@RELeon Not really. They're actually killing their sales if they don't put out a version for current-gen consoles which have a install base of 150 million. PS4 and Xbox One at best will have a combined install base of 10 million within the first six months of launch. Don't let the next-gen hype fool you into thinking that everyone who owns a PS3 or 360 is moving on to next-gen right. There are millions of people who are sticking with their current gen consoles for now.

Redrivar
Redrivar

@azyral_stark @Redrivar I have a lot of respect for Cd projekt red.  All I'm saying is, for better or for worse, is that Destiny is going to have more money thrown at it than SWTOR, with a good studio, and they've been able to take their time to make it right.  Now CD projekt red has made magic happen with a low budget, kind of like bungie in the old days.  Imagine a creative studio like that,  with 10 more years experience being given a blank check by a publisher... itd be a force of nature in gaming, all im saying is that cross platform development is in the budget at that point

Pretorian24
Pretorian24

@NTM23 @arqe 

I´m also "one of those" who doesen´t like Halo. I´ve tried several times to play it, the old ones and the new ones, but it´s something that makes it.. boring. I love sci-fi and all that but maybe it´s the design of the game, the weapons etc that just doesen´t "do it" for me.

On paper Halo would be perfect for me and I really want to like it but somehow I just don´t. 

Destiny looks pretty cool though.

themc_7
themc_7

@Infinite_Access @themc_7 @tduhon07 @fuzzymutt alright perhaps my reaction was a bit harsh. The console life cycle is a marathon, not a 100m dash. Give the developers some time with the hardware. Destiny comes in 2014. TDUhon doesn't know anything about how Destiny will run. I assume he is bases his predictions off of the fact that Infinity Ward couldn't make Ghost run at 1080. So far that's the only game that doesn't run at 1080 on the X1. I'm not mad because we don't agree on consoles, I'm mad because he is making predictions, having no idea what he's talking about.

Infinite_Access
Infinite_Access

@themc_7 @tduhon07 @fuzzymutt lol.. you mad bro??  Wait and see?? I see one console is doing better than the other! It's a fair view to crucify it considering the price difference. TDUhon did state current facts and based off those made a pretty fair prediction.  As of now there are games running at lower res on the x1 than on the ps4. You telling those that oppose to STFU just because you don't agree isn't. Get over it. 

TigusVidiks
TigusVidiks

@Pretorian24 @NTM23 @arqe funny, I also like sci-fi, but my reasons for not loving Halo are the opposite. I do enjoy the combat which I think is very well done. But the story part of it is just so... lacking.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@Infinite_Access @Thanatos2k @shingui5 Mouse keyboard is factually and demonstrably better than a controller.  So only someone who LIKES their games dumbed down "prefers" a controller.

Crippling your skill ceiling for no reason is not a level playing field, it's a swamp where you are inhibited from playing properly and skill goes to die.

Infinite_Access
Infinite_Access

@Thanatos2k @shingui5 Or you know.. people can prefer a controller.  I like to pull a trigger and aim with my thumbs.  Is it nearly as accurate? No but its a hell of a lot more fun (for me), and everyone is on an even paying field so skill levels still shine. 

Maverick6585
Maverick6585

@Thanatos2k @shingui5 Although I agree that a lot of games, especially this generation, or begin graphically reduced for consoles, and I prefer PC gaming, sometimes it's nice to be able to relax on your couch with a controller than hunched over a keyboard

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

@shingui5 @Thanatos2k Shooters belong on the PC with a mouse.  Shooters that aren't are dumbed down.

Not a difficult concept, and has been proven true again and again.

CnConrad
CnConrad

@DeFiLeDTitan @xeoneex66 @Gunmaster51 @RELeon 

Its not so much # of sales but quality of the game. By making this game on current consoles the quality will suffer. There is really no argument there. Regardless of what the PR spin is, you can not develop for both new technology and a 8 year old technology and not let it impact the quality of the product.

He is arguing that they could have set a standard with this release, moving consoles and earning new fans while building their rep. They sacrificed that for a high initial install base.

DeFiLeDTitan
DeFiLeDTitan

@xeoneex66 @Gunmaster51 @RELeon no, he understood. What he is saying is that current gen sales will outweigh pc game sales. Whether he is right remains to be seen. I would also put my money on consoles though.