BioWare considered charging for Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut

Developer says there was "discussion" about charging for endgame DLC, but executive producer Casey Hudson ultimately said no.

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BioWare considered charging for Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut downloadable content, community lead Chris Priestly has revealed.

"Probably shouldn't say this; there was discussion [about] should it be charged," Priestly said during a recent PAX Australia panel. "And [executive producer Casey Hudson] said, 'No, we can't do that. We have to make this better. We can do a better job finishing the game, providing clarity, answering some questions.' And it was very important to the team to end it as best as possible."

Recalling the fan blowback surrounding Mass Effect 3's controversial endings, Priestly said the team at BioWare could have ignored the feedback and just moved on. However, BioWare ultimate reassessed the endings and released the Extended Cut because "it was the right thing to do."

"It would have been really easy for them to have hidden. To have put their heads down and said, "Nope, we're done. That's it. DLC coming next month,'" Priestly said. "They didn't. And it's hard; it's really hard when you've put stuff in as a dev team for years making this game to have people say how bad it is. But they didn't. They listened and they made the Extended Cut because it was the right thing to do and release it for free to the fans because again, it was the right thing to do."

Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut launched in June 2012 as a free download for all platforms. It features new epilogue scenes that expand on the original Mass Effect 3 ending and aims to give greater clarity to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's story.

BioWare is currently working on an all-new Mass Effect game described as "fresh and new."

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magnetite2
magnetite2

@vadagar1  


It just feels to me that some people can't accept a bad ending. Everything has to be great. Ending wasn't really that bad anyways. 


http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10034971/1


http://jcwigriff.com/2012/03/16/mass-effect-3-ending-potentially-most-impressive-in-gaming-history/


Priority Earth mission? The way they set it up is some sort of struggle against an unstoppable force. Many people wanted a spoon fed action battle with Krogans crushing husks, etc. They mention wanting more cinematics showing war assets in action. Others calling in air support and blowing things out of the sky. Or something similar to the suicide mission, but on a larger scale, but didn't get it. Instead, you got something where the Reapers are steamrolling you 99% of the mission. It really feels like a sense of hopelessness against an unstoppable force (Reapers are millions if not billions of years more advanced than Shepard. No way it was going to be as easy as a) gather army b) land on Earth c) destroy Reapers conventionally, using your primitive technology. Or we beat them because "we believed we could".   


Truth is, people bought the game, and played it. I'm not going to ask them to retcon it because I didn't like a certain part. That's just silly. Like asking George Lucas to remove Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars. Hated that character, but I'm not going to ask him to retcon it or delete it from the movie. 

vadagar1
vadagar1

man I loved ME3 so much... but that ending just felt like a punch in the dadybags to me 


I just can't accept it they need to just redo the entire earth mission ALL OF IT 

vadagar1
vadagar1

too little too late


and the last 10 minutes of ME3 still feel like another Fucking game altogether

Shango4
Shango4

Biodrones are really dense... they think a COMPANY name actually makes games... News Flash BIOWARE is gone. The founders are gone, the lead developers are gone, Mass Effect 3 had the main writer Drew that did ME 1 and ME 2 and CREATED the ME universe got transferred off the project doing SWTOR. They let that Hack Walters totally chance the STORY on you people as he stepped in to be lead writer.

There is no BIOWARE for you to have loyalty too. The people that made Jade Empire,Dragon Age, KOTOR 1 , ME1 ,and ME2 are GONE! Now all you have is a brand name and you blindly love that brand name and think it actually makes games... Think just a little bit. All you have left is Casey Hudson as the producer that straight face lied to the world about what was in ME3, many people brought you the articles where he promised all these features AFTER the game had gone gold. He knew they weren't in there, every decision you made effected the ending etc...

So, all you have left are Mark and Casey... and you're excited about that? Bioware fans are the new Square fans... the people that made FFVII are long gone and you just can't admit it... Do the gaming world a favor and give your money and loyalty to companies that STILL have great game developers working for them. Cd Project Red, Bungie, Arenanet, etc... give those companies your loyalty because they listen and make games for gamers. Not someone that has a super ego and goes back on promises and claims "artistic integrity" aka we do what we want.

dirty-mushi
dirty-mushi

The question was not should they charge... it was could they charge. And based on the dog diarrhea  game they made to wrap up an otherwise masterpiece series, the answer was no. But 2 outta 3 aint bad.

Revl8n
Revl8n

Bioware is dead. EA sucks balls. I don't care what they do as I won't be buying their games. I'd rather spend the money on Baldurs Gate 2 enhanced edition. Oh wait, EA is screwing over Beamdog too. EA sucks balls.

sonicare
sonicare

That would have been a very bad PR move.

Enforcer246
Enforcer246

I would have paid for the indoctrination ending.

Atombomb1981
Atombomb1981

However they have inflated the price for the other single player DLC. And they still insist charging a fortune for the ME2 also.

CaveManCobb
CaveManCobb

Mass Effect 3's ending can be equated to a pile of shit. You can polish it as much as you want but in the end it is still a pile of shit. A red, blue, and green pile of shit. 

Metalnoid
Metalnoid

Mass Effect is great without it, i still don't need it.

Grenadeh
Grenadeh

Good for them. I don't buy BioWare games. Sorry, they aren't worth money. Excluding TOR I wish I never bought that. And excluding KOTOR 2.

Hanar-Spectre
Hanar-Spectre

If you watch the panel, you'll see that it was never planned to be charged for. They just had a discussion and decided that it should be free. If you are on a project, you can't just decide something's free without discussing it.

itriedmanynames
itriedmanynames

If they are releasing a new Mass Effect, they better make the best DRM for their sake, because we all know how people are going to acquire the game.

Shango4
Shango4

Nazara: "Reaper. A label given by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end,what they choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are." Starchild: "LOL I called them that.

Nazara: "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything."  Starchild: "LOL! I Created them". 

Nazara: "WE created the mass relays and the citadel." Starchild:"I am part of the citadel (which also a mass relay) and I created the reapers.

Nazara:" We are each a nation - independent, free of all weakness." Starchild:"LOL!!! I control them

Nazara: "Life is a genetic mutation. An accident."Starchild" : "LOL! I created the Reapers to keep life in balance."

Nazara = Nazara: "Reaper. A label given by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end,what they choose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are." Starchild: "LOL I called them that.

Nazara: "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything."  Starchild: "LOL! I Created them". 

Nazara: "WE created the mass relays and the citadel." Starchild:"I am part of the citadel (which also a mass relay) and I created the reapers.

Nazara:" We are each a nation - independent, free of all weakness." Starchild:"LOL!!! I control them

Nazara: "Life is a genetic mutation. An accident."Starchild" : "LOL! I created the Reapers to keep life in balance."

Nazara = Drew Karpshyn

Starchild = Hack Walter

Drew Karpshyn's Lore vs Hack Walter's Lore

amrit500
amrit500

I'm probs going to get a load of hate, but I loved ME3s ending. I only played it with the extended cut though. 

For me one of my favourite all time series of games. Don't forget, Assassin's creed was meant to be a trilogy.. and look whats happened to that. Mass Effect had a brilliant story with a complete ending. (In my opinion..)

EdAl2112
EdAl2112

lol they should have ended the game on a cliffhanger (the part where Shepard gets sucked in by the white light) and then go into: "Will this be the end of our beloved Sheppard?, find out with our ME3 ending DLC $15!"

Daian
Daian

Lolwut? The "extended cut" was just a longer epilogue, no actual gameplay content, and they thought about charging for it? 

It didn't even fix the incredibly crappy ending (magical colored light beams, really?), just added to it.

Dreizel
Dreizel

I don't get it. Why would this guy reveal this. Did he seriously thought that we would be like, Hey they could have charged but they chose not to, that's is so generous? It would been better if he had kept his mouth shut. You delivered a lazy ending if you had charged for the complete ending that would make you seem greedy on a competently different level than you already are, that is the reason why you didn't charge.

I actually thought it was cool of you to finish the job and deliver a proper conclusion to the saga without charging but now that i know you guys considered charging for an ending, that little redemption points you got from me are gone.

Godsire-
Godsire-

Seriously, how stupid are people? Why would you even tell people this (if you were this guy), at this point? Now BioWare looks AWFUL (and they should) and this guy sounds like an idiot.

Kisalon
Kisalon

So BioWare considers it... Now can we stop blaming EA for Mass Effect 3?

magnetite2
magnetite2

@Shango4


Let's see you start your own game company and make games. Not as easy as you might think. 


Make games for gamers? Please...we're not living in the 1980s anymore. 


Gaming isn't just for basement dwelling nerds who play games 24/7 or people who live with their parents and don't have any responsiblities. It's for people with actual lives, families, and jobs. 


Gaming doesn't revolve around you and what you want. The gaming industry has changed a lot from the "make games for gamers" to "make games for everyone". 


Hell, most companies out there don't make products how the consumer wants them. It's more along the lines of they make the product, and you choose to buy it. You go to a restaurant and purchase a meal. They make it, you eat it, and pay for it when you're done. You don't get to have a say in how the menu is designed or what kinds of appetizers they should have on it. 


Broken promises? Bioware didn't promise you anything. Unless they say the words "we promise you X", it's not a promise and doesn't count as false advertising. Half of the people who complain about false advertising don't even know what the term means. Every decision affects the ending? They never even mentioned those words in their statements. Not so much false advertising as people misinterpreting their statements. 

Candyman_GR
Candyman_GR

@CaveManCobb 

ME3 as a whole is an ending. And the decisions did made a difference in many plot points. The end of Mass Effect trilogy is NOT the last 5 minutes of ME3.

DrowNoble
DrowNoble

@Metalnoid ME1 and 2 are great without ME3 I dont need it (the 3rd one).  That's what you meant right? ;)

CaveManCobb
CaveManCobb

@Hanar-Spectre The fact of the matter is that is was even discussed at all. People were talking about this being an Azura's Wrath situation where Capcom sold the true ending as DLC. 

SipahSalar
SipahSalar

@Shango4 Who was nazara?:p is starchild the robot kid at the end of me3?

inSpectre_X
inSpectre_X

@Shango4 

OMG I forgot he said "We created the Mas Relays and the Citadel." 

Never before have I wished more for an ending to the ME1 and sorta 2s Reapers.  ME3 was a total copout.  :(

DrowNoble
DrowNoble

@Candyman_GR @CaveManCobb The ending of ME3 was decided by the devs not us.  All we got to choose is the color of the Relay Explosion.  Saving the Rachni Queen?  Irrelevant.  Saving Wren? Irrelevant.  Getting the Geth and Quarians to work together on their  homeworld?  Irrelevant.  Blowing up Collector base?  Irrelevant.  Curing genophage? Irrelevant.  Staying faithful to your ME1 romance for 3 games?  Irrelevant.

If somone never played ME1 or 2, they would get the Exact Same endings as I did.  I believe they can't pick red 'spolsions if they have low readiness though (meh).

Metalnoid
Metalnoid

@DrowNoble @Metalnoid I like and enjoy ME, ME2 and ME3. I like them all, and the end of ME3 i think is amazing. That is the reason why i don't need the DLC

Shango4
Shango4

@inSpectre_X ME 3 was never a true mass effect game.

PS Mass Effect 2 was the best in the series ,even though the series had only two games ,IMO .

magnetite2
magnetite2

@DrowNoble@Candyman_GR@CaveManCobb

This is what I've been hearing the last 2 flipping years:

Fans: The last 5 minutes is the ending. My choices don't matter.
Bioware: The whole game is the ending. Mass Effect 3 is a series of endings which plays out differently based on your choices from ME1+ME2.

Bioware: "Instead of putting a fork in the road near the end of the [third] game, what if the player could make real choices from the start that would cascade throughout not just the [first] game, but the entire trilogy. "
 

Random BSN user: The last 5 minutes is not the ending. Try to have an attention span longer than 10 flipping minutes.

Fans: Ending doesn't make any sense with the rest of the game or the themes of the story.
 

Bioware: Answers are there if you're looking for them.
 

Bioware: There are two types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from 

incomplete data....


Bioware: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9872108&lf=8

Random internet guy: Are you completely unable to recognize foreshadowing when you see it. Are you completely unable, during the course of the entire flipping game, to understand the clues (to the ending) as they are presented to you during the course of the game. Because they're there!

Fans: I didn't get any closure.
 

Bioware: All character and story arcs get closure. During the course of the game
 

Random BSN Mod: How much hand-holding through a story do you people need?
 

Random internet guy: It's a story after all. It's a story. You've got to give it a little something. You've got to meet it half-way. How much hand holding do you need?

 
Random internet guy: Isn't this an RPG? Use your imagination and decide for yourself what happened. Not everything has to be shown.

Bioware: Fans had unreasonable expectations.

Mass Effect 3's story structure is like a book. Each mission is a chapter. End of each chapter, is a resolution to previous choices, etc). Final chapter decides how to deal with Shepard and the Reapers.

DrowNoble
DrowNoble

@Candyman_GR @DrowNoble @CaveManCobb Uh no, it's irrelevant because it had zero effect on the ending.  You go through all that trouble, Mordin dies and it's all for nothing as the ending is the same.

It's fanboys like yourself that blind yourself to the simple fact that Bioware dropped the ball on this game.  They lied about its features and then Bioware got all huffy when fans didn't blindly just love the game anyways. 

Candyman_GR
Candyman_GR

@DrowNoble @Candyman_GR @CaveManCobb

Irrelevant only in your mind. How can you cure the genophage in ME3 if you HAVEN'T save Mordin's Data? I dont even want to go into this conversation anymore. You people are just spoiled little kids. I dont even accept of talking with trolls. End of story.

Candyman_GR
Candyman_GR

@suhinho @Candyman_GR 

Yeah. They will make another 20gb of content just to satisfy the stupidity of people who cannot realize that ME is a game and NOT reality.

suhinho
suhinho

@Candyman_GR come on in the end the lot of us expected the choices would have proportional ass wooping for the reapers. we got none of that.. for example the Rachni queen i saved in ME1 and revisited in ME2, i expected a sudden flanking from them in the final moments prior to ME3... what do we get? a text saying "OMFG rachni are helping us with the crucible, good job XOXO" from Hackett... Fuck that... 

Candyman_GR
Candyman_GR

@CaveManCobb @Candyman_GR 

I totaly disagree.

What about Mordin's fate? What about the Genophage? What about the peace between Geth and Quarians? (you should have done specific things in ME2 to achieve it in ME3), and other plot points that make a difference in ME3.

my 2 cents.

Metalnoid
Metalnoid

@DrowNoble @Metalnoid I like the purpose of existence of the Reapers and why they do, what they do. I make my choices while nobody care for the existence of the Reapers, travel the galaxy watching everybody fight each other. 
And while some see Mass Effect as a bad thing...i don't. Good night

DrowNoble
DrowNoble

@Metalnoid @DrowNoble What was amazing about it?  Since you said you don't need the EC DLC, then you like how all your choices were ignored?  

You like how Shep was killed regardless of what color you chose?  The "breath" just means he was buried in the rubble of a Citadel about to crash into the Earth.

You like how the fleet was stranded on a desolated Earth, destined to starve to death?  Remember relays were destroyed in the original ending, changed to "badly damaged" in the EC version.

You liked how Shep's faithful crew abandoned him at the end of the battle?  Remember they must of bailed BEFORE he fired off the Citadel to be able to hit the Relays.

After 2 games of choice & consequence, you liked that being taken away from you?

SipahSalar
SipahSalar

@Shango4 @SipahSalar Ignorant about the mass effect lore? I don't think so. I've played all 3 games with the same character on the hardest difficulty the game had, and remember as best as anyone can over a period of several years.

 I didnt feel the need to play the series more than once, but that doesnt mean I'm ignorant when it comes to mass effect lore. I haven't come across this nazara even once IIRC. 

Anyhow Im not afraid to admit that im not into all that novels and crap. I think thats just merchandise for the fools.