BioShock Infinite DLC's playable Elizabeth won't be "Booker in a dress"

Irrational Games level designer Amanda Jeffrey says playing as Elizabeth in BioShock Infinite: Burial at Sea won't be like playing Booker.

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Irrational Games has spoken about playing as Elizabeth in the upcoming BioShock Infinite: Burial at Sea DLC, saying that the team is working on making sure the sequences don't feel like playing "Booker in a dress."

"With the player getting the opportunity to see how Liz is experiencing the world through first person, we have to be ever so careful to not betray what the player has already experienced of Liz in Infinite and what they're going to experience of Liz in the first part of the DLC," said level designer Amanda Jeffrey in an interview with IGN.

BioShock Infinite's Burial at Sea, which is set in Rapture as opposed to BioShock Infinite's Columbia, is split over two parts, with the perspective changing from Booker to Elizabeth at the conclusion of the first chapter.

"That's always foremost in our mind, because Liz is such a different character to Booker, and if we were to just put Booker in a dress, then that would be the most awful betrayal of what we're doing for Liz, and players would just feel like it was a cheap way out, and that's not something that we want to do. So we don't have all of the answers yet for it, but we are very, very, very much aware of all of the dangers that we need to try and avoid."

According to Jeffrey, Elizabeth's sequences might even avoid combat entirely. “Elizabeth has to take things more from the side view,” she said. "She needs to be kind of thinking in a roundabout way of how to deal with her enemies. And, sometimes, that might mean completely bypassing the enemy entirely, because she doesn't need to."

The switch between Booker and Elizabeth is triggered by a particular event, said Irrational Games boss Ken Levine. "I'm not gonna say what happens, but at the end of the first part of Burial at Sea, Elizabeth goes into another sort of realization and, to put you then in her shoes, we thought was gonna be something very powerful," he said.

Liz in Burial at Sea will also be aware of the events of BioShock Infinite, Levine adds. "She is very much Elizabeth, but also has a character. She's affected. She's definitely changed by what she's done. I will say certainly you are picking up after the events of Infinite, and this is a person who has seen all the things you've seen in Infinite, and that’s had an effect on her."

Jeffrey also spoke about how the player will be able to control Liz's unique tear abilities. "I hesitate to say too much about what we have just now," she said, "because it's entirely possible it will change in the next few weeks. I will say, though, that Elizabeth and her tear abilities are not necessarily a 'win button.'"

"She has an understanding of this universe and the various universes that she can visit, and she knows, once again, constants and variables. There are some things that she can change, and some things that just won't make a difference if she changes them or not. So she's not entirely godlike in her abilities. She will have far more powerful ways of interacting with the world than we saw in Infinite proper, but at the same time, it won't just be a case of walking to a space and going, 'I'm just going to press a button, and now happy ending for everyone!' Because, on the one hand, that wouldn't be any fun. And on the other hand, I think that, unfortunately, things are never gonna be that easy for Liz. She has to fight for her happy endings. She's never that happy.”

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KingofCabal
KingofCabal

PLEASE DONT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT FINISHED THE ORIGINAL GAME. MAJOR SPOILERS. 

For those who did not understand the ending of Bioshock Infinite please read the following:

When, in the original dimension, Booker rejected the baptism, another world was created in which he accepted it. This is the place they were in for Infinite. Infinite is the world where he accepted the baptism.

After being baptised, what did this new, free-of-sin Booker do? He called himself Zachary Comstock and created a city in the sky called Columbia. He was born again — but this time an evil man.

To kill Comstock when he was born, Booker has to kill himself when he turned into Comstock. And that is at the place in another dimension where he accepted the baptism instead of rejecting it.

Lots of Elizabeths appear, and they proceed to drown Booker, presumably in the baptismal basin. After he dies, we see all of the Elizabeths disappear.

Now, this is the end. The credits roll from there. Or is it? 

(Elizabeth is referred to as Anna below, her real name)

 When Booker was first faced with choosing the baptism, he declined. He then went on to have a baby. Obviously, this decision created another dimension in which he had accepted the baptism, in which case he then became Comstock and went on to create Columbia. Both Comstock and the original Booker existed within their own dimensions, doing their own thing. However, after Comstock needed an heir but couldn’t have a child because he was infertile, he used the Lutece’ twins tearing machine to take Booker’s own child, Anna. Technically, because Comstock is Booker but just in another world, Anna is still biologically related to him. Booker actually sold Anna to him to pay off his debts to him, and I know what you are thinking: Isn’t there just another reality for if he hadn’t sold her? Well, yes — but also no. Because Comstock wanted — needed, in fact — Anna so badly (and it could be only Anna because she was the only child related to him) even if Booker hadn’t sold her, Comstock would have entered Booker’s world and taken her by force. There is no world, while Comstock existed anyway, where Booker and Anna stayed together.

Back to where we were before. It didn’t matter what happened; he would always end up where he was. It was impossible to avoid. Because Booker had a daughter and Comstock needed her and he made their dimensions cross and he took her, there were no other dimensions with a different outcome. Every world Booker existed in ended up with him losing Anna and going to save her. A never-ending loop.

However, it does end, here. After Booker accepted he needed to die to kill Comstock, he allowed Elizabeth to kill him. By killing himself at the point in time where he accepted the baptism, he killed off any possibility of a Comstock. Comstock never existed. Comstock never came and took Booker’s baby, and Columbia was never built. Anything Comstock had an effect on or had anything to do with was destroyed and never happened.

This is where a lot of people lose it. They think Booker, Comstock, Elizabeth, and Columbia all died, but they didn’t. Booker didn’t kill himself when he was first born; he killed himself when he turned into Comstock. All that did was kill off any Comstock version of him that there ever was.

After the credits, there is a little, tiny section, where Booker wakes up in his apartment and hears Anna crying. He goes into her room and calls out “Anna?!” That is where the game really ends.

Now people may come back with “But Elizabeth disappeared from the scene after drowning Booker,” and while this is true, it makes sense — and is also one of the most depressing parts of the game despite its happy ending. Elizabeth in that form never existed. The girl you went through the entire story with? She never existed. Anna is Elizabeth, but because every outcome of baby Anna’s life was to end up in Columbia with Comstock in that tower and grow up there, when Comstock died and everything he had done and had effected died with him, the adult Elizabeth also went. There was no adult Elizabeth in any other dimension that Comstock wasn’t in. Because he was in every world she was in, when he died, the adult Elizabeth died too, leaving only baby Anna. This means that while Anna will be free to live with Booker, she will never turn into the same person. She will never be able to open tears, as that was an ability given to her by the Lutece twins in Columbia. She may never be able to pick locks (why would she need to learn to do that?), and a lot of her personality that was influenced by being in Columbia will be different. She will never be Elizabeth. She will always be Anna, a completely different human than the one we got to know. So, in a way, Elizabeth did die.  

For a more detailed explanation of the ending go to:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/19/understanding-bioshock-infinites-ending-ending-explanation/1/

How does this fit in with burial at sea? Well I think Burial at sea is another anlternate reality, which may have been created as a result of the first games actions. We will have to wait and see though.

N4o7A
N4o7A

I'm a bit confused... so is this like another parallel universe except it's in Rapture?

adward22
adward22

Elizabethy is  so  hooooooot and she  looks like as adlut woman in this dlc story ......wow wait a minute shes holding boby in picure??! well someone explain to me @_@

adward22
adward22

every time when i see martin gaston creeps me out ....seiously take off your glasses its ugly on your happy face and or wear cowboy hats or something :) ,,, no offense 

Baistch
Baistch

Making this DLC a two parter makes me feel like they're gypping season pass holders.

Samus_rules
Samus_rules

Anyone else thinking that from that picture up top that this Elizabeth becomes Bridget Tennenbaum? She adopts a new alias and persona after coming to grips with the monsterous acts she's done helping create the little sisters, as Andrew Ryan is going to hunt her down after her rebelling against him. Too crazy? Or just Leveine crazy?

snova9308
snova9308

I would have loved to see Booker in a dress....

Zloth2
Zloth2

Will she have some sort of male companion following her around?  Maybe one that's big on melee fighting and trash talk?  You know, some sort of macho man?

hadlee73
hadlee73

The natural reaction 70% of male gamers will be to suddenly angle the camera down as far as possible just in case Irrational have built a body into the Liz model. :P

DaN_WiL
DaN_WiL

.....Well what if I wanted to see Booker in a dress?

ivan_osorio
ivan_osorio

I can't help but feel that having this happen would have been a GREAT surprise.

Alas... Maybe next time. 

l777l
l777l

That appears to be a thoughtful approach. Good start. I'm looking forward to A. Jeffrey's work.

Though not putting Booker in a dress certainly is sexist, and perputatues some thing or other. #BookerNoDressNonSense

jessie82
jessie82

still hate the fact that your character dies at the end after all the shit you had to go through to get to it

i hate games like that

FollowY0urBliss
FollowY0urBliss

I'm looking forward to this DLC more than anything. Too bad I have to wait so long...

I LOVED Bioshock1 (and 2, even though I preferred 1) SO much. 

I think it would be AMAZING if they recreated Bio1 using the Infinite engine for PC and next gen consoles. Especially if they added some new content.

Tripwolf
Tripwolf

Loved Infinite... even with the less than stellar ending. I'm hoping they work around the loopholes with the DLC and really wrap stuff up right.

-HCMF-
-HCMF-

Sounds good.  I hope the story is long enough for it to be enjoyable.  Most DLC only last a few hours.

Duckynevada
Duckynevada

wait were going back to rapture? now I have to buy this game

chieflion
chieflion

dont know what people are complaining about 

id play this shit n e day


frylock1987
frylock1987

So...she'll shoot guns and use magic like attacks?


kinda like Booker...and everybody else in the first two?

somebody337
somebody337

The little sisters enormous eyes frighten me :p

presidentali01
presidentali01

Im wanting to play Bioshock Infinite again on Next gen consoles. If it becomes available through streaming/download service over the network, does anyone think it will have fast frame rates and upscale to hi res textures similar to the high/ultra settings on PC or would they just port the ps3/360 version?

Dannystaples14
Dannystaples14

That is what I was thinking. It doesn't matter if you are Booker, Elizabeth or Marcus Phoenix, if you put a gun in their hand in first person they will feel pretty much the same. Unless there is a chainsaw attached to it of course and you can see your roid muscles in your peripheral vision.

Taking all combat out sounds like a jolly good idea to me. The best parts of Infinite in my opinion was looking around and interacting with the NPCs and generally absorbing the environment, not the shooting.

Overall the combat was a little flat, I won't feel bad about losing it to be honest. I can't think of any other ways of pulling it off, off of the top of my head.

texasgoldrush
texasgoldrush

I rather play as Eleanor Lamb.....she is the better Bioshock girl.

4le_breVVer
4le_breVVer

I think they're trying to make the dlc's how the game should have been done in the first place. More choices on how to deal with enemies. :)

hekifier
hekifier

Great! Now you can play as the ugly tramp herself in Biocock Infishit! Awesome!

Evanrocknuma
Evanrocknuma

@KingofCabal There is one point I disagree with.  Yes, our Elizabeth disappears but I think there is a reason she lingers.  In my interpretation (involving the cage as her symbol), she saves Booker but it essentially costs her a lot.  Since she closed the loop, I postulate that she lives on and is cursed with a sort of omnipotence that comes from being aware of her ability to travel between universes.  She could, theoretically, have avoided her annihilation after drowning Booker by leaving the universe.  Thus, in Burial at Sea, she travels there for the sole reason of fixing something big.  I'm not sure what yet, but that's my best guess.

boomhauer42
boomhauer42

@KingofCabal Thats what I don't get. If Elizabeth can no longer exist as the character she was in Infinite (since Booker died before becoming Comstock), why do they refer to her as Elizabeth in the DLC? Shouldn't they be calling her Anna? How does she have tear abilities? SO MANY QUESTIONS

adward22
adward22

why???? cause y wasted y alot  money on challenge dlc and other dlc games  makes y feel sad >>?.....i download dlc xbox360 on my jitaged version since 2007 and none of my days i felt sad cause all my money is saved on my wallet ..see ?? no money payment and free download  thats why we are luckly people :)

Dandyslayer13
Dandyslayer13

@jessie82 The ending was stupid, made no sense, and the usage of time travel was just stupid. Had the game avoid the time travel it could have been better.

Aletunda
Aletunda

@jessie82 but there are an infinite amount of them, maybe you were just playing number 112?

Hakumen21
Hakumen21

@Tripwolf infinite was only good the first playhtru.. its the type of game where you look back on it and say ' ehh it was good but not that great."

justinka777
justinka777

@Tripwolf I wasn't particularly happy with the ending either.....not sure really why, it was good but maybe I just like happy endings. I also think I saw that ending on an episode of outer limits, true sci fi style, got to give credit for that.

FollowY0urBliss
FollowY0urBliss

@Duckynevada 

We definitely are.

The funny thing is that right after the game was released (and I finished it) i made a post on here suggesting the DLC for the game return to Rapture.

I absolutely LOVED Rapture. It was beautiful AND scary. lol But yeah, Rapture+Infinite's graphic engine = orgasm

Warful
Warful

@presidentali01 The way Sony put it, was that the best current gen games would be available on PS4, that is most probably either through PSN Digital Download or Gaikai Streaming, either way it will probably be on there(as it's clearly a GOTY candidate and one of the better titles of this gen) but all the current gen games just sounds like they will get ported. Sure the performance will go up, but it's unlikely the graphics will see any change imo, although I would love it.

FingerChud
FingerChud

@boomhauer42 @KingofCabal  I think the original Elizabeth that we followed throughout the entire game stayed behind in Rapture for some reason.  I think she was spared being erased because the version of rapture was not of Comstock's World but of Booker's and being originally of this world avoided the fate of the other versions of herself.

mr_azim
mr_azim

Lots of errors in your post.

As far as picking locks - if you were in a locked room all your life, you wouldn't give it a try?

N4o7A
N4o7A

@KingofCabal In the beginning maybe but it made more sense at the end, then I had to watch a few videos online that helped explain it better

KingofCabal
KingofCabal

@Dandyslayer13 @jessie82 It had nothing to do with Time travel. Its about infinite realities and the posibilities in them. That was the main plot of the entire game. Mabye a little to complex for some people. Especially Americans.

max-hit
max-hit

@Dandyslayer13

You need to read about 'the theory of quantum physics and parallel universes' and also about the Einstein Rosen Bridges.They're all theories with no prof but they'll tell you what happened at the ending of Bioshock Infinite.


EDIT: If these theories seem interesting to you then watch the movie Donnie Darko as well.

justinka777
justinka777

@max-hit it seemed to me though that she created a time paradox by killing him so while it was a very sci fi, outerlimits style ending it just seemed a little conflicting.