Battlefield Hardline Delay Pushes Back Battlefield 4's Final Stand DLC

EA Studios boss provides additional insight into why Hardline was delayed.

Battlefield Hardline's delay until early 2015 won't mean fans have no new Battlefield content to play during the year's final quarter. Coinciding with the delay of Hardline, the release of the fifth Battlefield 4 DLC pack, Final Stand, has also been pushed back.

During a call with Electronic Arts investors yesterday, EA CEO Andrew Wilson mentioned that Final Stand is now "coming Q3." The company's fiscal Q3, to which he was referring, runs from October 1 through December 31.

Final Stand hadn't been given a release date previously--after all, the fourth DLC expansion, Dragon's Teeth, is not even in the hands of non-Battlefield Premium members yet. But with Hardline originally being scheduled for October 21, it's likely that Final Stand would have been released well in advance of that.

Hardline's delay stems in part from feedback received during last month's beta. EA Studios boss Patrick Söderlund said during the call that the beta had more than 1.7 million players--an impressive number, considering it was only available on PC and PlayStation 4. EA said it allowed the beta to go on longer "than we planned because we found a lot of feedback from players in there, providing us valid information and feedback around features of the game and how the game felt, etc.

"And things like the cops and robbers fiction maybe wasn't shining through properly, you know? Is it playing like a military game, but it should be a cops and robbers game? We saw ideas around asymmetric gameplay--a bunch of really strong, good, well-thought ideas that we decided to listen to.

"And having a long discussion with the team, and looking at where we were, we felt like the best thing for us was to give the development team a little bit of extra time and get the game to where we think it needs to be in order to be successful."

Battlefield series creator DICE's GM, Karl Magnus Troedsson, said in a blog post yesterday that the extra development time will allow the game's single-player, multiplayer, and stability to be improved.

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48 comments
corperatetiess
corperatetiess

Yeah Right! Ea is a joke....

They shoved bf4 out the door without it even leaving  bare bones condition. Everyone who played that i spoke with called it a: flop, joke and/or a wanna be bf4. Most defined it as a dlc of bf4. Stating they should have to pay no more than $7.50  American to have this as a dlc. Now the fact that this game maker Slowed the release of a flopped game. Only defines the fact they will lose any and or all hardcore bf4 veterans. I am only hanging in for the last dlc. I will not ever purchase anything from EA. My suggestion to dice is this: Leave EA a.s.a.p. and drag frostbite with you. Carry yourselves over to Id Software. Make a real 1st person shooter that has server-side making the decisions not the peer. Stop the hacks from being used permanently. No more peer to server. Make the hacks null and void. If you don't.....some other game dev. team will. Then you will be old news. Do us a favor Dice: make us like you again. I dare you!

salvations
salvations

Shame on the gamers who support this copy paste development. And same on the reviewers who give it praise. 

jmoney5555
jmoney5555

The beta is the beta not the complete game! EA has the right to be hated right now with what they have been doing but I don't think they are delaying Hardline to sell more Battlefield 4 because their dlc for that was delayed to. The only games I have no problem with at all are their sports games.

Someguy1212
Someguy1212

Well weren't they gonna stop DLC development until the game was fixed anyway? So in other words in their eyes the game is fixed since they already have 4 of the 5 DLCs released :/

jbizzie4
jbizzie4

I gave them some feedback on creating better immersive elements. Would be interesting to see if some of my thoughts were implemented, this is kind of exciting

atrapcitytv
atrapcitytv

I highly doubt if DICE helped much with Hardline and that's easy to notice by the graphics. Why not a new Frostbite engine?? They did it every year and now they rush Battlefield Hardline which was in production for "3 or 4 years" If that's the truth then this game has a long campaign and that's about it.  I saw way too many relative things in Hardline compared to BF4.  If you're a true Battlefield fan, you'd probably be thinking the same thing.. DICE didn't help much because this was Visceral's idea. I don't even know who Visceral is lmao

S001_PRIMAL
S001_PRIMAL

I think the only true reasons for why they are holding hardline back is because they want to get as much money out of bf4 as they could. on top of that, they also want to win back player's trust by holding it back. i still think the game is gonna be broken, just not as broken as bf4. publicity stunts

jagdedge124
jagdedge124

Battlefield Hardline IS EA's "final stand".

grimakis
grimakis

I think this delay is good. I was extremely underwhelmed by Hardline's Beta. 

I have a backlog of unfinished games, including N64, PSX, PS2, GCN, WII, etc. 

I'm not concerned about how long I need to wait for some new PS4 games. I remember back in the day, we would get our info in magazines, and nobody complained about delays.

Tech-head
Tech-head

So there is no official confirmation that Final Stand was delayed?  Just conjecture by GameSpot that they ASSUMED it would be released before Hardline in October?  Alrighty then. 

cejay0813
cejay0813

"Is it playing like a military game, but it should be a cops and robbers game?"


They may have just told on themselves. I think the beta was an eye-opener. I'm sure they heard the feedback that the game just felt like a reskinned BF4 and felt backed into a corner to justify releasing an expansion at full price. If this game even sells to the caliber of any of the past BF titles (even the not-so-good ones) I'd be shocked. Why play this when BF4 is finally seeing the patches it needs and has loads of DLC to date. If they could further clean it up BF4 is a solid game that could keep people busy for quite some time. 

themc_7
themc_7

That seems hardly fair. Most people have premium and therefore, have paid for this new DLC already. It's BS to delay the DLC, because the next piece of crap is clogging the pipe. Second, why is a Visceral made game, delaying a DICE DLC. I thought DICE played a very small part in Hardline. Apparently they are more involved than we've been told.

pgl163
pgl163

I think nobody's going to buy it

brockelley
brockelley

In other news: 101 reasons why Battlefield 4 should be the last Battlefield game you purchase...

Poltergeist13
Poltergeist13

Doesn't matter if its delayed just take DICE's name off the front cover, let Visceral Games take all the glory.  They are the devs of Hardline.

Tricked03Hemi
Tricked03Hemi

there have been issues and rubber banding with each dlc.....because they were all made at the beginning with the same issues at hand. Bf4 ruined dice's chance to dethrone call of duty. It's bad when cod abandons ghosts and makes advanced warfare. Too bad blops3 wasn't announced cuz that's the last good cod

Tricked03Hemi
Tricked03Hemi

How do you push back a DLC that was made when the original game was made?

the13stuff
the13stuff

This actually sounds like a good thing and I'm glad they are doing it.

Sarg1010
Sarg1010

Oh so when DICE asks for an extra month, it's too much to ask for.


Then again, half of the work has already been done for Hardline since most of it is just re-used BF4 stuff.

Romayo83
Romayo83

Good decision EA. Don't rush this one like you did with BF4. It's worth the wait if Hardline needs more time. Surely it does.

mrdinghat
mrdinghat

I wonder what will be delayed next! So exciting!

DarkLord
DarkLord

Maybe this delay will get some of the CTE stuff into Final Stand and we won't get as many bugs when it drops, whenever that will be.

nickpeck36
nickpeck36

This and dragon age got delayed simply because of the huge line up in October and were worried about not doing well against said other games in sales.  simple as that though they wont admit it.  good choice though honestly. 

bernard978
bernard978

EA pretending to care even further?

Sounds cynical but with EA you never know.

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@Someguy1212 Yes at one point they did delay DLC's until the game issues was addressed and even then it was only partially addressed and they added in Mantle at the same time.  BF4 runs worse than it ever has on PC now because something in the patch that came with Dragons Teeth buggered it up and the last patch addressed the riot shield, nothing about the game performance issue and no acknowledgement from DICE either.


Just because Visceral is developing Hardline, people are assuming it'll be more stable and have fewer bugs, well it's still using the same Frostbite 3 engine from Battlefield 4 and the beta gameplay felt exactly like BF4 aside the crappy vehicle handling (which was changed in a patch).


EA has been causing subcompanies to disolve over the past several years, Maxis and Bioware and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens with Visceral in a couple years.  DICE and some of the EA Sports departments seems to be the only ones still intact, EA Sports Vancouver (that developed NHL and older Need For Speed games) no longer exists, so there's EA Sports New York for the FIFA series and EA Sports LA for the NHL and perhaps Madden series.

urall
urall

They will not be tolerated for bugs this time. And yes they want to sell more bf 4

adamjd31
adamjd31

@cejay0813 Exactly! I for one have every battlefield game available and "Hardline" after playing the beta is the first bf game im like why would I pay $65 for this? The idea of cops/robbers perked my ears up at first then the beta came..... uninspired... I said before, make driving like "Driver" on PS1, the weighty drift around corners, burn out driving with your buddies shooting out the window like in the movie HEAT, then you may have something.

daikkenaurora12
daikkenaurora12

@themc_7 fair is not in EAs vocabulary.  This is why you dont do season passes or premium packages. 

S001_PRIMAL
S001_PRIMAL

@themc_7 im pretty convinced that dice is working on the online along with visceral just like with MOH. 


TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@brockelley Yup, I have every Battlefield title up to BF4, tehnically I didn't buy BF4, I bought a dud SSD from a local PC store and took it back for an exchange and the owner gave me a different SSD and threw in BF4 with it.  And it wasn't enough to make me want to buy premium (I bought premium in BF3 when the price dropped to $14).


So yeah I'm done with Battlefield titles, I'm not going to even count on Bad Company 3 to be anything like Bad Company 1 and 2, it'll probably be another junk cookie cutter game.

dotWithShoes
dotWithShoes

@Tricked03Hemi What do you mean by abandon Ghosts and makes Advanced Warfare? There hasn't been a direct sequel to a COD game in back to back years.

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@the13stuff Under normal circumstances I'd be fine and happy with a delay on a game in order to improve it before launch- but this isn't like EA to agree to a delay (remember Bioware actually wanted to delay SWTOR because it wasn't in a ready state at launch and EA still wanted it released on time, and see how it backfired after launch).  So with delaying the DLC and Hardline, they're probably milking BF4.

glassesboy
glassesboy

@the13stuff How is delaying content good? I'm not buying lolBFH, so I was kinda relying on BF4 content to tide me over the holidays into next year...cuz 2015 is apparently the year of the gamer with all the games that got pushed back to 2015. 


I'm getting Destiny and would play it for sure, but I still like BF4. Delaying content is never a good thing. DT didn't have a single problem AFAIK, so it seemed like DICE got their shat together. This delay is terrible news for people that play BF everyday. 

wexorian
wexorian

@mrdinghat Call of duty and Assasins creed,  YEAH I CAN DREAM ABOUT CAN I???

brockelley
brockelley

@TeknoBug @brockelley yeeup. it absolutely sucks that they're going to be making Battlefront 3, I'm going to have to try that even though it's them making it

TeknoBug
TeknoBug

@glassesboy @the13stuff DT has problems, hit reg issues is back (seems they undid the CTE tickrate) and people are getting half the framerate even with really good systems.  And the first patch after DT was to fix the riot shield... haha

the13stuff
the13stuff

As for delays, these are first world problems (read not real problems).

the13stuff
the13stuff

I'm referring to bf hardline, not dlc.

nomadsalt
nomadsalt

@fede018 

Complain about people complaining... complain about people being happy.  I guess some people are angry all the time, so sad.