Battlefield 4 dev ignoring motion control 'gimmick'

DICE executive producer says companies have been "throwing money" at the studio in an effort to get them to code support for motion controls.

The gaming industry's current state of motion controls is a "gimmick" and won't be featured in Battlefield 4, according to the DICE executive producer Patrick Bach.

Speaking to Edge, Bach added that companies have been "throwing money" at the studio in an effort to get them to code support for "quirky" control schemes, but added that DICE is not interested.

“We are not interested in things that don’t make the game better,” said Bach. “There are a lot of gimmicks--people throwing money at us--‘can you implement support for this quirky control thing’. No, it doesn't make the game better.”

“We are extremely open to innovation, but if it’s a gimmick, there’s no point unless it adds value to the player. Touch screens used to be a gimmick, because no one could get it to work until iPhone came out and used it right. It adds to the experience, and now everyone is doing it. To us it’s the same with motion control and perceptual gaming in general; if it adds, great. If it’s a gimmick, ignore it.”

Battlefield 4, which uses the next iteration of DICE's Frostbite engine, was announced with a 17-minute gameplay video at GDC 2013. The game is due to be released later this year, but so far only Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC versions have been confirmed.

Promotional material spotted at US retailer GameStop suggests Battlefield 4 will feature three playable factions and see a return of Commander Mode.

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WTF1555
WTF1555

Too bad you used kinect 2.0 and ruined Battlefield 4.

JRLennis
JRLennis

Patrick Bach = dev who gets it.  Wish there were more like him.

predator4965
predator4965

I just gained a lot of respect for someone in an unlikely place

tim1935
tim1935

Aren't endless sequels a gimmick too?

darkeyez81
darkeyez81

That's why Nintendo went back to hardcore gameplay.

feathers632
feathers632

I have calculated that Battlefield 3 has cost me £67 with all the expansions.  It would have been cheaper to buy premium but I didn't know that then.  I don't regret paying £67 and I like Battlefield 3 more now than I did even 2 years ago.  157 hours so far.  I've played Bioshock infinite for about 3 hours so far and I regret spending £23 for it.  I purchased Battlefield 2 upon release and spent 2 years trying to like it.  A friend of mine who was one of the top 1942 and DC Mod players also bought BF2 and hated it.  But I accept many liked it.  It's laughable to me when someone bitches about BF3 and say's it's a bad game or too expensive.  It shows the world is full of stupid people.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

"Battlefield 4 dev ignoring motion control 'gimmick'"

Thank you!  Finally someone in the industry said it! This is why the Wii is collecting dust on millions of shelves...

MinerAvatar
MinerAvatar

So they don't like the gimmicks of motion controls but love paid season passes, yearly fees that are as much as the game to track your virtual world, and $15 map packs with 3 maps. I guess if we had to pay for it then its not a gimmick. Battlefield 3 was no BFBC2 that was on an older engine, played better, and didn't act like it was a CoD game at all. 

Try making a fun game instead of a cash cow milking machine like the new CoD's and Battlefield 3 are now. How much they going to charge for the yearly elite maps this year $60, with another $60 for the season pass to get those maps, and the core game at $60 with a 4 hour single player and 8 maps for MP for yet another team death match. You will be $180 poorer for a lackluster FPS but hey at least it wont have motion controls.

tonymoise
tonymoise

Motion control is a waste of time for games like BF4

TurboGuru
TurboGuru

See Dice, your saying all the right things,.... but ultimately will your product deliver on such statements?

In short, please make BF4 sniping like it was in BFBC2..... or at the very least kickstart BFBC3 for us fans and carry on with  BF4, BF5 as COD clones like you did for BF3.......Thanks. 

AlexFili
AlexFili

Finally companies realise that tacked on things dont work

PETERAKO
PETERAKO

“We are not interested in things that don’t make the game better, “There are a lot of gimmicks--people throwing money at us--‘can you implement support for this quirky control thing’. No, it doesn't make the game better.” 

at last ENLIGHTEMENT!!!

silent_riku
silent_riku

Still, they're published by EA and ORIGIN is a 'gimmick'. :P

Triton
Triton

I too ignore motion control.

BlueRaptor7
BlueRaptor7

Finally, someone states the obvious. I've always been a fan of DICE, and now even more so. 

dethman75
dethman75

Consoles are already gimped because of their not-so-precise controllers, why would you disadvantage yourself even more by using a motion controller which can't even tell if it's on half the time. 

Serious gamers use mouse and keyboard, not toys

SC-Genjisamurai
SC-Genjisamurai

I dont care what anyone says, playing an fps with a motion controller is fun! Killzone 3 with move and/or the sharpshooter is great. 

silvaring
silvaring

Fucking noobs, your body is one big motion controller, and buttons are just abstractions because of technological limitations. Look up mirror neurons and learn a thing or two. You're welcome.

ZOD777
ZOD777

What the hell would you use in a shooter that has motion controls anyway?  Can you imagine standing in front of the Kinect and jogging in place every time you want to move from cover to cover?  I don't think there are many M+ games that would benefit from motion controls (that I would play anyway).

KristoffBrujah
KristoffBrujah

Finally, someone called motion control exactly what it is: a gimmick for little kids.

Doolz2024
Doolz2024

Good to hear. Thanks for not wasting resources on sh*t that no one is going to use.

As much as Sony and especially Microsoft want their motion control products to gain popularity, they will NEVER catch on amongst core gamers. People want to use a standard controller, not waggle something that looks like a sex toy or wave their arms around like an idiot.

megakick
megakick

The Wii U  tablet is a overpirces controller. When is Nintendo going to lower the price and sell the Wii U with just the pro controller? Doesn't help that the Wii  u controller is huge either....

KBFloYd
KBFloYd

sigh....i guess i'll just roll my eyes...call o duty pwns you in sales anyway dice.

DrYnot
DrYnot

Was there really a need to put gimmick between quotation marks like that? Is there anybody on this PLANET that genuinely believes motion control is anything besides that? The technology just isn't there yet. It's as much of a gimmick as fucking smell-o-vision.

s2i2p2i2o
s2i2p2i2o

@feathers632 Yeah I know. If somebody doesn't share your opinion they've GOT TO BE stupid! That is the only logical explanation! Just thinking about all those morons who like Bioshock Infinite makes me cry from laughter! /sarcasm

feathers632
feathers632

@Gravity_Slave I think the wii is gathering dust because of the shit graphics and cutesy prepubescent games.  Kinect has done quite well on the crappy eggs box £3.60.

feathers632
feathers632

@MinerAvatar Battlefield 3 is the most fun I've had on any game and I've played a lot.  Biggest disappointment was the massively overhyped bioshock infinite.  BF3 is worth the price and even the cost of each DLC.  Get your facts straight as well... Each DLC brings 4 new maps, new weapons and new game modes.  The detail in the latest End Game expansion is just incredible.  Gameplay is utterly brilliant.  I do get sick of the whiners out there who do nothing but bitch and moan... so tell us what game is worthy of your time dumbass....

West123
West123

@MinerAvatar BF2 had expansion packs only difference is they were retail not digital and more expensive...

erix43
erix43

@MinerAvatar 

Business is business. Don't buy if you don't like. I love BF3, great job. I feel better about paying these guys than Act-on-no-vision. DICE does a great job, too bad EA is their publisher and they want to cash in on BF's success more now than BFBC. I see your logic, but it's good content. Who cares about campaign, but they'll get it right time on BF4. If price is not your fancy, wait till Black Friday and get the Premium edition for 30 bucks next year. 

chestycougth
chestycougth

@TurboGuru I don't get it. There was no breath swaying in BC2, no scope glint, the bullet drop was less severe and yet there are far more snipers on BF3?

 btw, I totally agree with you

Kingjames11
Kingjames11

@dethman75 Wow, I've never met a "serious gamer" before, but if they're all elitist douches, I think I'd rather just use a controller. Hey bud, pull your elitist PC head out of your ass and quit insulting everyone.

MondasM
MondasM

@dethman75 , and mouse and keyboard are so much different than a controller, right...

the means of controlling your character in the game is just a preference, i used to play fps games on pc and loved them, when i switched to consoles i used to say that the controller is no match for the mouse and keyboard combination, however after playing fps games for almost a decade on controllers, i can quite easily say that it is the practice that familiarises one with the input device... now using a controller seems more natural to me, and i have bough a controller for my pc as well...

btw, i used to use a trackball, which, if you get used to it, is way more precise than a mouse, again, imho and opinions do differ, so let's not be that judgemental over something that one's not used to... :)

ESPM400
ESPM400

@KristoffBrujah Honestly, this guy is my frigging hero. One day I hope to have an end to the Back to the Future 2 nightmares (You have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy...).

zeta
zeta

@KBFloYd sales =/= better... 

But you can go ahead and stand with Madden of Duty Expansion 201 which still runs on the 14+ year old id Tech 3 engine and has done nothing to reinvigorate the series, despite what your peers (most likely 14 year olds) may think. 

MinerAvatar
MinerAvatar

@feathers632 @MinerAvatar Never heard of sarcasm before? CoD has several packs with only 3 maps across several of the last games in the past three years alone. Since I don't like BF3 I haven't DL any new maps for a game I don't play, why would I? Your opinion is fine that you like it, 15 million people bought the game so your not alone, but I also have an opinion that BFBC 2 was a more fun game and I am not alone in that either.

Sarg1010
Sarg1010

@feathers632 @MinerAvatar Completely disregarding the glaring bugs/OP-ness of certain weapons, I see. DICE only ever fixed their game when a new map pack would come out, which is completely insane, especially since the map packs would come with their own bugs! Take your rose-tinted glasses off, and stop acting like the COD-kid you seem to be ("if it isn't a competitive multiplayer shooter, it sucks!"). "Dumbass".

MinerAvatar
MinerAvatar

@West123 @MinerAvatar What does that have to do with BF3 or CoD and how they currently charge for items? CoD 2 only had map packs and no paid yearly fees unlike now several years later, not sure what your getting at.

MinerAvatar
MinerAvatar

@erix43 @MinerAvatar I care way more about the single player and BFBC 2 had a great SP mode. I like MP co-op and a reason for a team to do something other then yet another death match type on the same 8 maps like even BFBC 2 suffered from. Without onslaught mode that came out later I would have barley played it online ever. It isn't about the money it is about what I find a fair price for my money, I find nothing fair about the prices for Battlefield and Call of Duty and will never buy another one from either franchise, not even if it is BFBC 3. I am sick of the current FPS milking system for my cash so goodby EA, Activision, and any company that follows that milking game they play.

West123
West123

@MondasM  lol console FPS have auto aim ON! even in MP matches lololololool

Hammershock6
Hammershock6

@MondasM I agree that with time its easier to use any tool. But it has been proven that Mouse aiming beats Controller aiming 9/10 times.  The Musket was more used than the longbow because it was easier to make and easier to train more soldiers to use. The Musket was still being used when the Rifle came about because it was easier to manufacture.  Who knows maybe the motion controller will kill the normal controller when it starts working properly and becomes cheaper to buy.