Battlefield 4 dev ignoring motion control 'gimmick'

DICE executive producer says companies have been "throwing money" at the studio in an effort to get them to code support for motion controls.

The gaming industry's current state of motion controls is a "gimmick" and won't be featured in Battlefield 4, according to the DICE executive producer Patrick Bach.

Speaking to Edge, Bach added that companies have been "throwing money" at the studio in an effort to get them to code support for "quirky" control schemes, but added that DICE is not interested.

“We are not interested in things that don’t make the game better,” said Bach. “There are a lot of gimmicks--people throwing money at us--‘can you implement support for this quirky control thing’. No, it doesn't make the game better.”

“We are extremely open to innovation, but if it’s a gimmick, there’s no point unless it adds value to the player. Touch screens used to be a gimmick, because no one could get it to work until iPhone came out and used it right. It adds to the experience, and now everyone is doing it. To us it’s the same with motion control and perceptual gaming in general; if it adds, great. If it’s a gimmick, ignore it.”

Battlefield 4, which uses the next iteration of DICE's Frostbite engine, was announced with a 17-minute gameplay video at GDC 2013. The game is due to be released later this year, but so far only Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC versions have been confirmed.

Promotional material spotted at US retailer GameStop suggests Battlefield 4 will feature three playable factions and see a return of Commander Mode.

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WTF1555
WTF1555

Too bad you used kinect 2.0 and ruined Battlefield 4.

JRLennis
JRLennis

Patrick Bach = dev who gets it.  Wish there were more like him.

predator4965
predator4965

I just gained a lot of respect for someone in an unlikely place

tim1935
tim1935

Aren't endless sequels a gimmick too?

darkeyez81
darkeyez81

That's why Nintendo went back to hardcore gameplay.

feathers632
feathers632

I have calculated that Battlefield 3 has cost me £67 with all the expansions.  It would have been cheaper to buy premium but I didn't know that then.  I don't regret paying £67 and I like Battlefield 3 more now than I did even 2 years ago.  157 hours so far.  I've played Bioshock infinite for about 3 hours so far and I regret spending £23 for it.  I purchased Battlefield 2 upon release and spent 2 years trying to like it.  A friend of mine who was one of the top 1942 and DC Mod players also bought BF2 and hated it.  But I accept many liked it.  It's laughable to me when someone bitches about BF3 and say's it's a bad game or too expensive.  It shows the world is full of stupid people.

Gravity_Slave
Gravity_Slave

"Battlefield 4 dev ignoring motion control 'gimmick'"

Thank you!  Finally someone in the industry said it! This is why the Wii is collecting dust on millions of shelves...

MinerAvatar
MinerAvatar

So they don't like the gimmicks of motion controls but love paid season passes, yearly fees that are as much as the game to track your virtual world, and $15 map packs with 3 maps. I guess if we had to pay for it then its not a gimmick. Battlefield 3 was no BFBC2 that was on an older engine, played better, and didn't act like it was a CoD game at all. 

Try making a fun game instead of a cash cow milking machine like the new CoD's and Battlefield 3 are now. How much they going to charge for the yearly elite maps this year $60, with another $60 for the season pass to get those maps, and the core game at $60 with a 4 hour single player and 8 maps for MP for yet another team death match. You will be $180 poorer for a lackluster FPS but hey at least it wont have motion controls.

tonymoise
tonymoise

Motion control is a waste of time for games like BF4

TurboGuru
TurboGuru

See Dice, your saying all the right things,.... but ultimately will your product deliver on such statements?

In short, please make BF4 sniping like it was in BFBC2..... or at the very least kickstart BFBC3 for us fans and carry on with  BF4, BF5 as COD clones like you did for BF3.......Thanks. 

AlexFili
AlexFili

Finally companies realise that tacked on things dont work

PETERAKO
PETERAKO

“We are not interested in things that don’t make the game better, “There are a lot of gimmicks--people throwing money at us--‘can you implement support for this quirky control thing’. No, it doesn't make the game better.” 

at last ENLIGHTEMENT!!!

silent_riku
silent_riku

Still, they're published by EA and ORIGIN is a 'gimmick'. :P

Triton
Triton

I too ignore motion control.

BlueRaptor7
BlueRaptor7

Finally, someone states the obvious. I've always been a fan of DICE, and now even more so. 

dethman75
dethman75

Consoles are already gimped because of their not-so-precise controllers, why would you disadvantage yourself even more by using a motion controller which can't even tell if it's on half the time. 

Serious gamers use mouse and keyboard, not toys

SC-Genjisamurai
SC-Genjisamurai

I dont care what anyone says, playing an fps with a motion controller is fun! Killzone 3 with move and/or the sharpshooter is great. 

silvaring
silvaring

Fucking noobs, your body is one big motion controller, and buttons are just abstractions because of technological limitations. Look up mirror neurons and learn a thing or two. You're welcome.

ZOD777
ZOD777

What the hell would you use in a shooter that has motion controls anyway?  Can you imagine standing in front of the Kinect and jogging in place every time you want to move from cover to cover?  I don't think there are many M+ games that would benefit from motion controls (that I would play anyway).

KristoffBrujah
KristoffBrujah

Finally, someone called motion control exactly what it is: a gimmick for little kids.

Doolz2024
Doolz2024

Good to hear. Thanks for not wasting resources on sh*t that no one is going to use.

As much as Sony and especially Microsoft want their motion control products to gain popularity, they will NEVER catch on amongst core gamers. People want to use a standard controller, not waggle something that looks like a sex toy or wave their arms around like an idiot.

megakick
megakick

The Wii U  tablet is a overpirces controller. When is Nintendo going to lower the price and sell the Wii U with just the pro controller? Doesn't help that the Wii  u controller is huge either....

KBFloYd
KBFloYd

sigh....i guess i'll just roll my eyes...call o duty pwns you in sales anyway dice.

DrYnot
DrYnot

Was there really a need to put gimmick between quotation marks like that? Is there anybody on this PLANET that genuinely believes motion control is anything besides that? The technology just isn't there yet. It's as much of a gimmick as fucking smell-o-vision.

B-boy
B-boy

wii is joke, the console for kids, i am glad I own ps3

djpetitte
djpetitte

good job Dice telling em to fuck off basically. now just do something about that land lock with Ea. LOL

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

I'm glad that Dice is taking a stand against gimick motion controls. Not every game suits motion controlled gimmicks. Thank you Dice Taking motion controls on for the sake of it is not the way to go.

hadlee73
hadlee73

Somebody give that man a cigar. Assuming he smokes of course. If not, a beverage of his choosing :P

Shame-usBlackley
Shame-usBlackley

Hmmm, I may have to support DICE more in the coming years. Nice to see Microsoft is so desperate with Kinect that they are trying to bribe people to work with it. God, what a sham to see Microsoft stoop so low to try and push this digital piece of shlt. When you have to beg companies and bribe them to make content for your shltty controller? Yeah, you're done. 

blackace
blackace

I think the voice commands work well in in BF4. FPS never work well with motion controls. Didn't work well with the Wii, Move or Kinect. A FPS on rails can work ok, but a standard FPS should never us motion sensor controls.

Shin_Gallon
Shin_Gallon

Thank fuck. Now if only there were a snowball's chance in hell of it being on Steam instead of Origin.

Dr_Corndog
Dr_Corndog

To think someone in such a position could know so little about gaming. I was shaking my head already at his comment on motion controls, and then he says that it was the iPhone of all things that proved touch screen controls? Someone just shoot this poor guy.

frylock616
frylock616

Says they are ignoring motion control because its a gimmick.


Is working on titles for next generation where the consoles are built around motion control, social networking and many other gimmicks.

Tigarian
Tigarian

It would be fine for casual gaming in single player, but there is no way anyone using motion controls will be competitive in multiplayer either in consoles or PCs. Which s kind of the main draw for Battlefield.

WoodenStick
WoodenStick

There's so much that's difficult to do with motion controls, fast weapon change, reload, spotting, crouch-->prone, getting into helo and fly with it, makes my head hurt already.

edpeterson
edpeterson

Glad they're not interested in motion controls, motion controls are so terrible and most of the time motion controls just make the game less fun

blueboxdoctor
blueboxdoctor

I don't know if this game will be any good/different enough from BF3, but I do like his statements.  I wasn't a big fan of touch screen until I got my Vita, and now when I play a PSP game on my Vita I instantly go to touch a menu option even though it's not touch enabled.  Though, I am curious how the touch will work on the PS4 controller.

At least this means they don't have to waste time trying to integrate motion, which I find only works well for games that are designed for motion controls.

beuneus12
beuneus12

THANK YOU!

although it's hard for me not to imagine EA stepping in and saying :

SHOW ME THE MONEY $$$$$$

sargentpsgamer
sargentpsgamer

Wait. How exactly did iphone make touch screens not a gimmick? They just made it popular with advertising.... Vita did touchscreen gaming correctly, iPhone still sucks to play certain games with.....

So in other words, when there is money in the product it no longer is stated as gimmick? So if gamers were gobbling up motion controls like mad then they'd support it to cash in?  There is a difference between a gimmick to cash in on and a gimmick that might actually improve something. Given proper treatment, something like ps Move could make shooters miles better...... A touchscreen? Not so much.

Psycold
Psycold

haha, another reason EA has fallen way behind the curve. 

HWGuy14
HWGuy14

Umm. Ps4 version was confirmed FYI, gamespot.

sabresieben
sabresieben

these guys have clearly never played Killzone 3 multiplayer with a SharpShooter

Halloll
Halloll

"Touch screens used to be a gimmick, because no one could get it to work until iPhone came out" some one doesn't know about the existence of the DS.