Batman: Arkham Origins "pushing the edge" of T rating

Creative director Eric Holmes says if WB had gone any further, game would have risked being bumped up to M for Mature.

Next week's Batman: Arkham Origins features combat action that pushes the edge of the game's T for Teen age rating, according to creative director Eric Holmes.

"Arkham Origins has really intense combat action. We're really pushing the edge of T for Teen with what we're doing," Holmes said during a Reddit AMA last night. "I don't think we could have pushed it further than we have without risking a rating bump."

The next age rating above T is M for Mature. Such games feature content that is generally suitable for ages 17 and up, according to the Entertainment Software Rating Board.

The ESRB description of Batman: Arkham Origins says players will "punch, kick, and use fantastical weapons (e.g., electrically charged gloves) to defeat enemies."

Batman: Arkham Origins launches on October 25 for the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Wii U, and PC, but not the Xbox One or PlayStation 4. The game is also coming to the PlayStation Vita and 3DS through Arkham Origins Blackgate. A free-to-play iOS and Android version is also in development.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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theKSMM
theKSMM

Simple economics suggest that the game should been kept at a T rating lest they lose sales to parents who actually know and care what those ratings mean.  Besides, the first two games in the series were fantastic; I never thought while playing them "This is fun, but I wish there were more M-rated content in this game..."

gusjackson
gusjackson

Anyone saying "make the next one rated M" or " who cares about the esrb ratings" you have to understand that dc comics will not support a game that is rated M. Injustice Gods Amoung Us had to do everything in its power to keep it at teen. Think back to Mortal Kombat vs DC comics, it didn't have any fatalities for a reason. I think pushing the lines for the series is awesome! Can't wait for this!

PlatinumPaladin
PlatinumPaladin

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd be more impressed if it was the ESRB themselves saying this. This is just Holmes blowing his developers trumpet.

And has GameSpot once again got the developer and publisher mixed up in the info box on the right, or have I been wrong in my distinction between the two for many, many years?

startman_1999
startman_1999

A darker more violent Batman is definitely a good thing.  Make the next one Mature!  Ratings are useless anyway.

komuchen
komuchen

And what did it change for 12 yo playing GTA? Oh yeah, broken guiness records

ESRB/PEGI are worthless

tightwad34
tightwad34

Uh, what? Who in the fuck would care about some stupid shit like this? Spend your time on more useful things than why a game was almost rated M instead of T.

Ceclor
Ceclor

I wouldn't be against a mature Batman game.  Provided the developers don't use it as an excuse to put unnecessary nudity and / or profanity in to the game.

Batman has tackled some mature themes in his comic history.  If done correctly, it could make for an interesting game story.

fadol87
fadol87

Doesn't mean anything to me

deliman
deliman

Oh my GAWD!11  This gaem is gunna be, liek, SO intense u guiseQ!1

catsimboy
catsimboy

Like it even matters. Kids get their moms to buy M-rated games regardless. I was playing GTA:Online and I heard a 12-year old kid asking how to play the game.

Thanatos2k
Thanatos2k

Yeah wouldn't want to actually make a mature game or anything.

ryancyc
ryancyc

JUST MAKE IT MATURE!!!! I want to see blood and gore, mature themes...Batman is awesome when it's dark and gritty.

gunsofdeschain
gunsofdeschain

should have just made it an M. Won't change a damn thing, sales wise.

Catz_03
Catz_03

That's cool I guess. All this really means is that there is no cursing, still could be really dark just no unneeded f-bombs which certain games could use less f-bombs.

Medievaldes
Medievaldes

A darker-violent-cold-blooded Batman would be nice. A Batman who f**** criminals up in a bad way and not just send them to Arkham.

I know, I know, this is not the case, but I'm just saying, another game different than the Arkham series with that kind of Batman would be interesting.

Medievaldes
Medievaldes

 A darker violent cold-blooded Batman would be nice. A Batman who f**** criminals up in a bad way and not just send them to Arkham.

I know, I know, this is not the case, but I'm just saying, another game different than the Arkham series with that kind of Batman would be interesting.

wgerardi
wgerardi

I would have been a lot more excited to buy an M rated Batman game. Instead we get another game stuck in some sort of sad limbo, trying to push the envelope in a small pocket instead of freeing itself entirely and making something truly ground-breaking and fresh. I'm sure it will be a good game, just like Asylum and City (albeit forgettable)- but It will suffer from the same set backs due to a rating designed to prolong the innocence of 16 year old kids.

I'm just glad we can still rent games.


DarckArchon
DarckArchon

Cos seeing someones leg get twisted in a cringing way or lose your teeth when punched into the asphalt is less violent then a few drops of blood flying from a gunshot. 

I still loved Batman Arkham Asylum and Akrham City  <3. 

azcaz16
azcaz16

Even WITH an M rating, this game would have sold exactly the same. Everyone who were going to buy the game will STILL buy the game. To me, a good batman film/game/comic is an ultra dark one! They definitely should have just gone for an M rating instead of cutting bits out and trying to make it softcore for the kiddys!

chatphon
chatphon

bodybuilder... bodybuilder everywhere....

Bellum_Sacrum
Bellum_Sacrum

OH MY GOD!! THIS GAME IS BORDERLINE UNSUITABLE FOR 13 YEAR OLDS!! SO HARDCORE!!

I don't buy T games because these are for kids like Nintendo games. I only play M games that require the maturity and worldliness of an adult to be fully appreciated, like Call of Duty and zombie games.

Hurvl
Hurvl

Close to getting M-rated!? Oh, dear god no! 

Just like movies try their best to stay within PG-13 limits, no matter what kind of compromises that might lead to. Origins will probably be good, although I don't know how good it will be compared to the Arkham games.

barren167
barren167

Wider audience? Possibly a more mature audience, just given that T-rated games tend to lack the stereotype of younger kids being annoying during online play, possibly driving off more mature players from an online thing they're trying hard enough to promote as it is.

ail_taco
ail_taco

I am getting the wii u version

xsonicchaos
xsonicchaos

Of course. Choosing between guts and money, money will always win. Duh, guts are icky! 

"But we need to cater to a wider audience, because teens don't buy M rated games because it's not legal, boo-hoo"

Just today I saw a clip on RWJ of a 12 year old crying like retarded because his mother took his GTA V away as punishment. Disgusting freaks!

gusjackson
gusjackson

They can't do that. Dc comics won't let that happen. If so that would have been made by now

Cray-Z-Canuck
Cray-Z-Canuck

@Ceclor Agreed.  Getting pretty tired of the unnecessary stuff for our "entertainment".  Games can be highly entertaining if you keep them clean.  

BigBossWato
BigBossWato

@Medievaldes that the problem is he wouldn't be Batman if he did that, also I don't now if you noticed but He Fucks them up pretty good remember half of his moves involve breaking bones. 

komuchen
komuchen

@azcaz16 well, Faces of Death was ultra dark and it was... meh at best.

Batman is great when HE IS Batman. Like in Hush. That is awesome.

danryan82
danryan82

@azcaz16 I wouldn't mind an M rating. In fact I was just playing City wishing I could watch bones break in slow mo in detective mode but there are still parents out there who care what their kids play. They're just making sure those parents aren't put off. It's all about the $. Plus, Batman's always been a "most ages" thing. Even the Nolan reboot. Although a rated R movie would be sweet, also. But not as cool as a rated R Wolverine.  I wanna see what those claws would REALLY do so squishy flesh. :)

tightwad34
tightwad34

@majin What uh, are you on about, or just on?

s3as3a
s3as3a

@atlanticmoon I think because this is a way to satisfy us while Rocksteady works on the next-gen Baman or Justice League (or whatever) title.

ntippit
ntippit

@Bellum_Sacrum @Deadlysyns87 i am an adult and i love these games, im no kingdom hearts weirdo because like i said im an adult but if you havent tried any of these games you are really missing out. just because there is no decapitations or shooting up innocent airports doesnt mean it is "kiddy"