Apple slams PSP, DS at iPhone/iPod conference

Steve Jobs returns as consumer electronics giant says its multimedia devices offer gaming experiences superior to Sony and Nintendo's dedicated devices; Madden NFL hits App Store today.

Today, Apple rolled out its latest line of iPods at a special event in San Francisco, presided over by CEO Steve Jobs, who is recovering from a liver transplant. As outlined in CNET's live blog of the event, one of the big draws was the new video camera and FM radio-equipped iPod Nano. Another was the price drop of the iPod Touch, which now costs $199 (8GB), $299 (32GB), and $399 (64GB).

Schiller shows how Apple thinks iPhone OS games stack up against the PSP and DS. Photo credit: CNET/ Stephen Shankland

Like at past events, Apple played up the gaming applications of the iPhone OS, which the iPod Touch also uses. However, unlike at previous events, senior vice president of worldwide product marketing Philip W. Schiller called out the iPhone and iPod touch as superior gaming platforms to both the DS and PSP. As proof of his assertion, Schiller first pointed to the price of games, which top out around $9.99 on the iPhone OS, but run as high as $34.99 on the DS and $39.99 on the PSP. "That's too expensive," he declared.

Second, the executive pointed to a slide showing the 21,178-title catalog of iPhone OS "Game & Entertainment Titles" dwarfing those of the DS (3,680 titles) and the PSP (607 titles). Schiller didn't mention "Games" and "Entertainment" are two distinct categories on the App Store when accessed from an iPhone. The "Games" category covers both polished titles, such as the $9.99 2K Games' Civilization Revolution , a port of the acclaimed DS version, and $0.99 casual titles, such as Solitaire. The "Entertainment" category covers an even broader swathe of nongaming applications, such as Run Pee Mobile, which tips moviegoers about opportune bathroom break times at a showing, and 18,000 Cool Jokes, a conversation aid to the humor-impaired.

EA's Boatman shows off Madden NFL 10 on the iPhone Photo credit: CNET/ Stephen Shankland.

Schiller also believes that, compared to those of the iPhone and iPod Touch, PSP and DS games are "not a lot of fun." Although iPhone game designers, such as Doom Resurrection's John Carmack, say the Apple device's lack of buttons are a hindrance, Schiller contends the opposite. As proof, he brought out Electronic Arts' Travis Boatman to show off the iPhone version of Madden NFL 10, which went on sale today. The game lets players draw their plays onto the screen, like the titular sportscaster's Telestrator, and then execute them with a touch of the button.

Preceding Boatman was Ubisoft's Ben Mattes, who talked about the November 11 launch of the Assassin's Creed II iPhone game, and Gameloft's Mark Hickey, who showed off a new first-person sci-fi shooter called Nova. Bart Decrem, founder of Tap Tap Revolution developer Tapulous, was also on hand to demonstrate Riddim Ribbon, a new DJ game, which lets you remix songs while tracing their rhythmic patterns.

For a full rundown of today's Apple event, check the live blog recap on GameSpot sister site CNET.

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Sniper_Wolf25
Sniper_Wolf25

hahaha i love that the quality of some of the people here leads people to believe that that could actually be a serious quote. i mean, i purposely made the most ridiculous examples possible. taptap and floodit better than gow and fft? get real

GamerofMario1
GamerofMario1

@Sniper_wolf25: You must be Steve Jobs or Phillip Schiller. Nobody else is that much of a fgt and as stupid as one.

Cloud737
Cloud737

So I'm playing Crisis Core right now, feeling like it's the best game I ever played (at least for a handheld game), ready to jump to the moon because of how happy I am, and then planning on trying Star Ocean 1 and 2 next, and Apple comes along telling me the PSP is "not a lot of fun"... Aham, yeah...

Jack_n_Coke07
Jack_n_Coke07

iPhone and the touch consist of mini-games and crappy graphics when compared to the DS and the PSP. At least the PSP has games that last longer than an hour....

tekken220
tekken220

iPone/iPod Touch more superior than PSP and DS? :lol: At least the PSP and DS has more quality games. How can the iPhone get games better than awesone PSP and DS exclusives like Dissidia or Pokemon HG/SS?

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

The iPad is not fashionable. Period.

Kuribo_Girl
Kuribo_Girl

Yeah Apple, alienate the gaming community you are trying to gain as your market. Great strategy.

ppshterror827
ppshterror827

The iPhone is superior to the DS and PSP as a gaming platform? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...HA...ha...ha. Wait, they're serious?

Blabadon
Blabadon

I hate my PSP and DS cuz of my iTouch. Thanks, Apple. :P

Caml10
Caml10

Funny how they don't compare the prices of the actual hardware...

naomigate
naomigate

this is a BIG joke! i wont let apple take over my beloved psp's and ds's!!!!

Hugomanen
Hugomanen

Ok i know developers are supposed to like their own products, but even Steve Jobs must have felt cheap outright lying like that! No doubt the various iSomething carries a gajilion different titles. But like the internet contains mostly porn, most titles are complete rubbish. An application that makes your voice sound like some celebrity is not by a long shot comparable to games like Spirit Tracks, and the numbers are by no means either since theres at least one application for every celebrity instead of them all put together.

tbagger45
tbagger45

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha is this a joke??? I have an phone and have never spent more than twenty minutes on any of the games on it.

nintendogeek46
nintendogeek46

Ipod games will NEVER top DS/PSP. They may be cheaper, but they're not as high quality as DS or even PSP games (I don't like the PSP that much. For every good game on an Ipod touch, there's 5 more bad ones. Out of those 21,000+ games, at least 10,000 of those are low-quality shatfests made by indy devs looking for a quick buck. Also, some Ipod touch games drain the energy of ipods really quickly, such as Rock Band. I also agree with John Carmack, without real buttons, the Ipod can't ever be as good as the DS/PSP, even if the developers put touch screen buttons on the screen. Schiller has a bunch of crap coming from his mouth. He's seemed to forgotten that the Ipod is a music player, and not an actual gaming system.

Blueforce1746
Blueforce1746

lol You guys take this too seriously. Do you fail to realize Schiller gets MONEY off of doing this? He couldn't care less what we think of him. In the end, he comes home to everything he could possibly want. While we sit here & bash him. And some of you are right, he sells his products off of filling consumers with hate for their competetors. But if that works, that works. It's not his fault sony or nintendo play to fair to do that. See I think I know what the problem is. None of you understand that this is business. All these companys want is our money. They'll stop at nothing to get it.

Sniper_Wolf25
Sniper_Wolf25

iphone games r totally deh best an i luv them and any1 who says othrwise is a fgt iphone games r totally superior to all other games, they have cool and better graphix an r so much more fun. i would play flood-it or taptap on the iphone waaay before i'd play god of war or fft or dissidia on the psp, they r just so much better i know i wil git a lot of crap for saying this, but iphone is totally a superior gaming machine than those others created solely for gaming, which is lawl

goku2000
goku2000

What??? Is this man really that stupid? This has got to be the most rediculous story I've heard yet. The iPhone/iPod touch is superior to the DSi/PSP? What rock has Steve Jobs been living under? Can he give me another reason not to get an iPod?

tyco_ex
tyco_ex

Lol. Ya right apple. E-mail me when you get Crisis Core and Dissidia. Not to mention when you can give me an iphone where I don't have to pay a monthly fee.

mrmoto
mrmoto

steve crap jobs!get mgs peace walker in an iphone or tekken and i promise buy an iphone and sell my psp!!

shakensparco
shakensparco

That is all a load of crap. As said by mjc0961 below me, Apple is very good at taking low blows at people. Frankly, I think that MS is wayyy more respectable than Apple just because they don't go out of their way to pick on the competition. The closest thing to MS picking on Apple was a commercial over the summer where a chick shopping for computers notices how expensive macs are and then states "Well I guess I'm just not good enough for a mac". ZING! Well Apple is pretty much saying that a mac is the only thing worth having, so she is pretty much right.

Mike-23
Mike-23

Hahahahahah... The Ipod Touch/Iphone doesn´t even has buttons...you can´t be serious...

skullboy950
skullboy950

There aren't a lot of Ipod games I can think of that'll hold my attention for more than 20 minutes. Hell, I can get more playtime out of an old GameBoy game XD!!!

not-e-n-e
not-e-n-e

They can't be serious... I mean they have some good games but come on apple, really?

BlockBLX
BlockBLX

What a joke. iPhone/iPod apps are just time killers, they fall short to the quality (and consistent controls) of DS/PSP games. Schiller is a dick who I doubt has ever played a DS. I'd pay $35 for a quality DS game over $10 for any of the amateur flash games on the iPhone any day. And yes, I own a DS, PSP and iPhone, and the only reason I ever use my iPhone is for quick web browsing.

sirkibble2
sirkibble2

I can't believe I just read this whole thing. Schiller is a joke.

nemt
nemt

Did he forget to mention how DS and PSP have games worth playing?

ybrik222
ybrik222

This is funny, now I'm going to go play Mario Kart on my iPod Touch. ... Oh wait.

ybrik222
ybrik222

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sravankb
sravankb

Wait.......I thought Apple was good at marketing. You're supposed to shift your competitors' audience to your side, not fill them with hate and disgust.

especensor
especensor

Obviously no gamer is ever going to take Apple seriously. Its games are in a completely different market... the Wii's market. Only the Wii can kind of still be considered a gamer's console because its franchises like metroid and zelda tie it back to the core gamer.

OzeroCa
OzeroCa

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t3hr0xx0rz
t3hr0xx0rz

HAHAHAHAHAHA, What the hell did I just read? Oh Apple. You card.

BlueFlameBat
BlueFlameBat

I see a lot of you are mentioning some contract. That may be the case with the iPhone, but I don't think the iPod Touch (which can also play these games if I'm not mistaken) requires any sort of contract.

wyzeguy6
wyzeguy6

The only thing that Apple can really take claim for is that it probably has the most downloaded games, simply because it's the ONLY way to get their games. Little free and really cheap games are nice timekillers, but come on. In order to play them, you need to buy an iPhone and get the wicked contract. I guess what I'm trying to say is iPhones are just phones that happen to play little games as timekillers. They are nowhere near the level of the DS or (God forbid :P) the PSP. Apple hipster ego trip FTW!

BlueFlameBat
BlueFlameBat

I guess Apple is really getting to like slinging mud. First it was against the PC. I can almost picture the intro to the next iPhone ad: Fit 25-year old who looks ready to be shipped off to the Middle East: "Hello, I'm an iPhone." Little girls with big braces: "And I'm a Nintendo D Esth." High school nerd with broken glasses and loud suspenders: "And I'm a PSP!" The sad thing is, these attack-ads have a tendancy to be effective.

pigilikepoe
pigilikepoe

This is coming from a company that can't even make a decent computer.

HPFreak623
HPFreak623

Hahahahahahahaha *wipes tears from my eyes* Oh apple you silly gooses. You're so full of yourselves for making such claims. You're full of fail for making that claim and I hope all of you go and suck on a motherboard.

JixHedgehog
JixHedgehog

I dont need an expensive contract to play my DSi :) Oh, and FYI, Nintendo just adopted your tilt screen technology for their next hand held. Bye!

IRoxxorUrSoxxor
IRoxxorUrSoxxor

Problem: iPhone games suck dick and apple is totally incompetent about interactive entertainment. Other than that small caveat, nicely done Mr. Jobbs! . . . dickhead. . .

flower_flavor
flower_flavor

as an iPhone owner and a gamer, I am disgusted with iPhone's gaming library -- and even moreso with its horrible control sceme.

teknicz
teknicz

Strongly disagree, but I do realize it's his job to hype things up. Apple has an opportunity to capture a large part of the market that is even more casual than most; because those people aren't real gamers and really just want something to waste time with.

Majero88
Majero88

I-Pod games being better then PSP and DS games.......he has to be joking right!! I mean I-Pods could never beat the graphical genius which is the PSP or the DS's dual screen system which, while im more of a PSP person, is a lot of fun with games such as Zelda. As for his comment about PSP and DS games being 'not a lot of fun', i have a PSP while my girlfriend has a DS and an I-Pod touch and guess which one has the worst games.......surprise surprise its the I-Pod. Apple should just stick to making over priced media players and leave gaming systems to people who actually know what they are talking about.

Antherian_being
Antherian_being

Let's Face it. The DS isn't extravagent. But iPhone Gaming industry?? I just don't think it's there. It is simple for time-waste, procrastination games, but could never do anything core.

mini_mario
mini_mario

response to flint247: Agreed. on the last bit. The I-Pod just CAN'T do the things that actual handheld systems can do. The DS is capable of dual screens usage, touch screen, and Voice Recognition. The DSi is now allowing for apps to be downloaded. Albeit, the system is not built from the ground up based on apps or music playing / storage. The roles here are mishmashed. PSP is simply a graphical masterpiece. See Crisis Core, God of War, etc. There's media players, and there's game systems. There's the diff. (oh wait one more thing... iPhone games are NOT THAT fun.)

Flint247
Flint247

Sorry, but when it comes to Handheld gaming, Nintendo is dominate in that. Even PSP is better than iPhone/iPod gaming. Nice try, though, for Apple. Quote: "Schiller also believes that, compared to those of the iPhone and iPod Touch, PSP and DS games are "not a lot of fun." " Is this statement for real? Are you kidding me right now? I had hours of fun on my DS.