Analysts parse December boon

Wilson, Pachter, and Divnich say the Simpsons and TimeShift underperformed, Guitar Hero III and Rock Band rolled, and HD DVD is dead.

It didn't take a fancy analyst title to foresee December being a massive month at retail for the gaming industry. Reporting on the traditionally biggest money-making month of the year yesterday, industry stat trackers the NPD Group revealed that December sales hit a staggering $4.82 billion for the five-week period ended January 5. The nearly $5 billion month led the industry to $17.94 billion in hardware, software, and accessory sales for 2007, a 43 percent spike over 2006's comparatively paltry $12.53 billion.

Today, industry analysts have issued their reactions to the monumental sales, as well as offered up a few predictions for the upcoming year. With Activision claiming two of the top three slots in monthly sales, as well as three of the top 10 slots in yearly sales, Pacific Crest Securities analyst Evan Wilson notes that the publisher has officially become the largest publisher of console and handheld games in the US, garnering 17.7 percent of the market share compared to Electronic Arts' 17.3 percent.

Activision alone accounted for $477.2 million for December, versus EA's $456.6 million, said Wilson. Nevertheless, EA had a better-than-expected December, according to Wilson, with Rock Band outperforming expectations at 740,000 units sold for the month, a number that was bolstered by its recently revealed 2.5 million track downloads since the game's November launch. Rock Band's sales helped alleviate lower-than-expected sales of The Simpsons Game, which Wilson states were at 501,000 for the month.

Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter noted that in addition to better-than-expected overall sales for both current-generation and legacy platforms, December sales were boosted by an on-average 18 percent increase in selling price, which stood at $38.36. Pachter noted that one cause for this was the extraordinary popularity of rhythm games Guitar Hero III and Rock Band, which carry MSRP tags of $90/$100 and $169, respectively, for their hardware-bundled SKUs.

Addressing the console race, Pachter noted that although PlayStation 3 sales didn't quite hit expectations--selling 798,000 for the month, compared to the Wii's 1.35 million and the Xbox 360's 1.26 million--Sony should begin to reap benefits from recent Blu-ray victories over rival Toshiba's HD DVD video-playback standard. "We think that the Blu-ray format will prevail over the rival HD DVD format, and think that Sony will emphasize that point in PS3 advertising later this year, ultimately driving sales higher," said Pachter.

However, as it stands now, the PS3's installed base seems to be incapable of supporting more than one game of the same genre released in proximity, according to prediction market the simExchange's Jesse Divnich. "This was proven true as both posted even lower than expected sales, with Half-Life 2: Orange Box only selling 56,600 units while Timeshift only selling 25,000 units," said Divnich. "We do expect this to be a short-term phenomenon as the PS3's install base continues to grow and becomes capable of supporting more than one title in the same genre in the future."

Divnich also weighed in on how the prediction market foresees Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft proceeding into the New Year. "Exclusive video game software and future hardware price cuts will be the primary catalyst for closing the sales gap between [the PS3] and the Xbox 360," said Divnich. "This would mean that the Wii should continue to attempt to solve its hardware constraint issues. The Xbox 360 should continue to focus on its Xbox Live Market place, its software selection, and exclusives. The PS3's best opportunity is to continue to cut hardware prices and advertise heavily on its software exclusives."

Despite the forecast, Evan Wilson notes that 2008 will face a tough comparison year-over-year, but the industry should still see double-digit gains as the year unfolds. "As we look to 2008, we forecast 11.5 percent industry growth, predicated on a preliminary look at the already-announced title lineup versus 2007 titles and our assumptions for catalog growth."

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Chirico_Cuvie
Chirico_Cuvie

A shame about Timeshift, it had potential and the multiplayer was pretty good. I encourage people to buy it in the bargain bin, if just to see something different. 2008 will see a decline in the Wii and DS. I really think it's time for the bottom to fall out from all the rubbish being released for both platforms. Eventually those with even little to no impression of what a "good" game is will see how terrible the hundreds of titles are in relation to the handful of good ones. No More Heroes impressed me with what was possible on the system. Not since the first MGS did I see innovative ideas using parts of a console we take for granted. The whole cell phone/wiimote mechanic brought a smile to my face, not because it was funny, but in admiration of a well-done idea that is so stupidly simple yet effective. 2008 is also the year for PS3 to sh!& or get off the pot. The trouncing it got last year was embarrassing and would make any CEO take notice of what the Hell is wrong. GTA4, MGS4, KZ2, RFOM3 and LBP are set to sell some consoles, but those looking to FFXIII will have to wait another year.

darkride66
darkride66

Autolycus pointed out "This is life in iPod City, once the Chinese fishing village of Shenzhen" Yep. American Company, Chinese made. Japan loves it, which seems to run contrary to your "Japan won't buy foreign" argument. Wait, are you arguing my point now against your own point made just 3 posts ago? Also, I don't count the 360 Arcade, because it should be avoided by everyone. You need that harddrive, otherwise it limits your game purchases and hamstrings XBL and downloadable content, which is one of the 360's strongest selling points. I personally don't think the $350 360 counts. Anyway, the difference is only $50 between that and the 40gb PS3, so it's still pretty much moot.

Autolycus
Autolycus

you seem to be anti 360;) you forget you can get one for 349 or better yet 20 more dollars then the wii. EVen though I am very anti Sony ( because of the business ethics and past statements ), I still will put that option out there. if going to have these debates/discussions you should keep your personal views out of it. As for the Japan statement that I made, I wasnt even aware of it until I read multiple presidents of multiple companies say the same thing in statements and interviews all over the place. BTW, the iPod isn't made in America.

darkride66
darkride66

Autolycus noted "but Japan is VERY picky about purchasing products who's origin/company origin IS NOT japan" That's funny. They love the Ipod. It's a huge seller. "And in the time of a U.S. recession price means everything." This recession the US seems to be in won't be prolonged with economic indicators pointing to a recovery as soon as the second half of 2008 and household income and corporate profits have never been higher (strong gov spending and strong exports more than offsetting the housing crisis also look good, but I digress) Still, if price is everything, you'd think that the $400 PS3 would give you more bang for your buck or if you don't have $400, either a Wii or (gasp) a PS2 would look good. Just my two cents.

Autolycus
Autolycus

2014 is still 6 years away so in the meantime, here in the u.s. people are enjoying their wii and the 360. Overseas might be a different story, but Japan is VERY picky about purchasing products who's origin/company origin IS NOT japan. SO it only seems that U.S. need to be the same. And in the time of a U.S. recession (right around the corner, deny it all you want, its still there), price means everything.

wingnut99
wingnut99

SCEA is just code for U.S. they are made just for us. I had a PS made out side the U.S. for a short time. SCEJ. or SCEE. It also helps with the copy right.Even there tv's have that in side the box. Every one has some kind of code to show whats for the U.S. or out side of us. Now the word on the net is that the next Xbox will come out 2014. A Some one gave some clues to whats inside the the 2014 X box. This is what I read. This might not be a 100% A 24 core AMD CPU. The GHZ is unknown. 4 ATI GPU's with 2 cores. 6TB of ram. 512 MB of d ram. Wi-FI ready. Something about net 2 ready. Some kind of HD play back as well as DVD. Will play 360 game's. Well odds are a few of them. Make not that gears of war 2 will be on the 360, but gears 3 will be on the next gen x box.

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

ACTUALLY, I believe the sony "Playstation" was the advent of "Sony Computer Entertainment America", And therefore was started by the american SCE branch. While SCEA is now solely responsible for sales (and ALL else) in the US, SCE generally has a branch for each major region now. So there is no "money to the homeland", they all operate as one. Anyway, (even though I prefer HD) BD is just right for what it is, an HD movie format. But the thing is, FEW people are willing to spend money on BD's even if they're one of those who have an HDTV, which is fine, if I had an HDTV, I get plenty. But the kind of format I'D be really excited about would be something that is designed with gaming in mind. Something that that would have remarkably LOW seek-times, VERY high capacity, the works... something that would be used specifically for console and PC games. And unlike DVD's, I don't think BD OR HD-DVD would be able to fill that spot.

wingnut99
wingnut99

@1998ACR . You have a brain! Nice read. Let me say this. I dont hate any system. My little girl has a wii, My son has a 360. We got a PS3 and gave it a kid cuz his mom and dad could not get the cash for it. Yes Sony and nintendo both have corporate headquarters in the U.S.A. I know. They are here to help with adds and other things. Still most of the cach is still sent back to home land.

1998ACR
1998ACR

Actually, since you started this I want to fill you in on something. Sony and nintendo both have corporate headquarters right here in North America. All sales of sony and nintendo products mostly stay in north america. True some of that money goes back to the country of origin, but only a percentage. Buying a 360 because its an american product is a flawed concept and is ill founded. Now onto all of the other haters. Why is everyone so up in arms over which console is better. This console generation is going to end with 3 consoles having near equal market share. Because of the rapid expansion of the video game industry due to the ps2 ,and now the wii's capturing the casual market. Doing some simple math, allowing for a margin of error, I estimate that there are roughly 200 million people around the world playing games on systems other then pc's... So if all three major consoles captured 33% market share (in an ideal world) then each company would have roughly 66 miliion respective users. If the average consumer spends $20 a year on games and accesories then that works out to 1billion 320 million dollars. Now we all know that the average dollar/consumer ratio is higher then $20 but thats a simple number to use... Regardless you see just how much money that is. With the game industry surely continuing to grow then you can tell just how viable it is for 3 consoles to be succesful in this market..... I love this competition between the companies, look at the constant feature updates, amazing games, price drops.... We all win if you look at it from that perspective. This looks like a political campaign, candidates taking cheap shots and tongue in cheek stabs at one another. Its just ole fashioned dirt throwing..... Sony isnt going anywhere, they already established their legacy and continue to deliver, Microsoft stepped up and showed that they can hang, and of course nintendo is the company that gave the video game industry a rebirth . Nobody is going anywhere.... There's even rumors of a new sega console. Is 4 to many consoles? I cant answer that but all I know is that i've never been more excited to be a gamer...... You should feel the same way

wingnut99
wingnut99

@Autolycus. You hit the nail on the head. I am a true Red White and Blue Man. Kids dont under stand why Some times it is a bad thing to buy things out side the U.S. Thats why I have a 360. Now Yes true, the 360 is made out side the U.S. but most of the cash that it makes stays here. Plus MS gives cash away to hepl people, kids, and other things. So is MS so evil? No So keep selling out the U.S. This is one reson why are jobs are moving out of the U.S.

darkride66
darkride66

edhc44 pointed out "the PS2 was a success from the start". Something that is often missed when making this comparison is that the PS3 is selling better than the PS2 when you look at their respective launches, just like it's selling better than the 360 did in it's first year. On top of that the PS3 has now overtaken the 360's lead in Europe after only a short 9 months on the market. I'm a fan of all 3 consoles but it's not hard to see that the future is looking pretty bright right now for the PS3.

edhc44
edhc44

@ thekodaman However, the PS2 was a success from the start, it quickly stood as the top-selling system on that generation as the favorite system for developers alike. Yeah, it had its headstart, but no competitor ever had a chance even after they were realised. If most people (gamers and developers) don't shift to the PS3 during it's run before MS, Nintendo and whoever feels like "joining the fight" realise new platforms, it hardly will last this 2015 prediction.

thekodaman
thekodaman

The PS2 has lasted 7 years now and is still selling, if an admittedly weak piece of hardware such as the PS2 can last this long then the PS3 with it's updates and ability to utilise Blu-Ray means that the PS3 will remain viable for longer than it's competition - as for the 10 year lifetime thing, maybe but probably not given the rate at which technology evolves these days.

edhc44
edhc44

"It would not surprise me if the specs for the 360's replacement leak sometime this year for release in late 2009, early 2010." Given that the system was realised on '05, you can't expect anything much after 2010. Microsoft benefited from the early start (console failures apart) as the PS2 before it. Although an early start somewhat helped the DC to flop, it's not unlikely that Microsoft will do it again. The Wii replacement will come no later than 2011. When it comes to the PS3, I suppose that this will be a lauch window for a supposedly PS4 as well, no matter how much cores you stick into a machine, they still will be nearly 10-year-old technology when 2015 comes, and that's why I always thought that this "future-proof" thing Kutaragi always bragged about to be complete bull****. I just can't understand how Sony engineers don't see that.

darkride66
darkride66

klugenbeel stated "Ray will be dead along with HD DVD in the coming years. its all about Digital downlown." IMO, shortsighted. Music is one thing, the files are relatively small. Movies are different. There isn't the bandwidth available to handle massive Digital Downloads, and add to this that the majority don't even have internet, let alone high-speed internet. Finally, you don't own the digital downloads, they're just rentals and this is a problem. The movie industry, in their fight against piracy isn't going to let you own digital copies of their movies, and I'm sorry but that doesn't fly with me as a consumer. If I buy a movie I want to watch it when I want to watch it, not for a limited time frame. Unless the digital copies have no restrictions, why would anyone bother when they can own the DVD or Blu-ray? I think Blu-Ray will corner the Hi-Def market, but that's a niche market anyway. DVD is king. HD-DVD is dead. Hell, give the players away and it won't matter if no one is releasing movies for it anymore.

klugenbeel
klugenbeel

HD-DVD is not dead, and Blu Ray will be dead along with HD DVD in the coming years. its all about Digital downlown, forget this format war crap and stick it on a hard drive, way easier to carry a library of movies and dvds on a Zune/iPod than on a bunch of discs. Viva La Bill Gates!

darkride66
darkride66

Hi Autolycus. You mentioned "People are saying "There are no exclusive games to the system". Keyword being exclusive. There is nothing that really justifies people to purchase a PS3" Now there may not be justification if you already own a 360, but if you're still on the fence it could go either way. PS3 has great exclusives, good multiconsole support and for the same price of the 360 you get Blu-Ray as well, without the high hardware failure rate. That's pretty compelling. Certainly seems to have sunk in everywhere else but North America. The 360 has now blown it's year and a half lead in Europe and is now being beaten by the PS3 after only 9 months. It really doesn't seem like the Blu-Ray has been a hinderance at all. You mentioned that developers jumping on the Sony bandwagon will be slow, but it's already happening, it's not like something that might happen at some point in the future. As for your " put the control of our nation in a different countries hands", wasn't DVD Toshiba? It may be that the 360 is the only answer in your neck of the woods, but the worldwide gaming landscape is very different, and don't think MS doesn't see a shift coming. It would not surprise me if the specs for the 360's replacement leak sometime this year for release in late 2009, early 2010.

Autolycus
Autolycus

I've gone out of my way to make sure this isn't a console war thing, but some people only see the war and they have to believe that the system they purchased is the best ( nobody wants to think they bought something crummy, denial sucks ). As for the PS3 has no games, you have to undestand where that really is stemming from. People are saying "There are no exclusive games to the system". Keyword being exclusive. There is nothing that really justifies people to purchase a PS3 except the fact that it has a BluRay Player and that doesnt HELP gaming or the system, it actually HINDERS it. As any PS3 owner knows, the developers are VERY SLOW to jump on the unique programming/acrhitecture of the PS3. Its a huge PITA the program for and the Cell processor is mainly fantastic at BURST processing (which is not gaming, not even close to it). So the owners can yell @ the developers all they want, for making worse frame rates. But the person they should be yelling @ is sony for AGAIN trying to make a standard/propietary hardware that they can control the benefits of ( and receive royalties from ). Sony's TRIES: BetaMax MiniDisc (did they do laser disc too?)Memory StickUMDand now Blu-Ray Each one Sony was the higest paid royalty. it finally looks like all you smucks are finally going to give the royalty to some overseas company to again put the control of our nation in a different countries hands. good job!

Nintendus21
Nintendus21

"This was proven true as both posted even lower than expected sales, with Half-Life 2: Orange Box only selling 56,600 units while Timeshift only selling 25,000 units," That's pretty suprising, I thought those games were going to sell much better, and they had a lot of attention from what I've heard.

SteeleInd
SteeleInd

Ugh. This turned into a console war. What a surprise. Here's a thought. Maybe we should all just be happy, because the Video Game Industry is supposed to grow by 11.5 percent! That just means more great games in the future. Be happy people.

parrot_of_adun
parrot_of_adun

LOL, this news.. topic... thing is awesome. I've learned so many things about consoles, format wars etc, in this article/thread. Including (but not limited to): "Dreamcast, 50 games over 80, 143 games total, 35%".(brianpoetzel) GO DREAMCAST!!

Tebbit
Tebbit

Just look at each console, decide which games you like to play, and get over it. Thats why so many people get a Wii along with one of the other two consoles, because SMG and Smash Bros are awesome, and the console is cheap, then if you like Gears of War and Halo you get a 360, If you like Drakes Fortune and Metal Gear Solid you get a PS3. Simple

darkride66
darkride66

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l337fool
l337fool

analysts have issues and lack common sense. Look all I know is I have too many outstanding games on my 360 right now and some are not getting attention at all. I am being suffocated with high quality games. Half of these games are exclusives. I own a Wii but seriously it isnt hard at all to figure out what system I am gonna play with when I get home from work. My chromehounds squad and all of my friends are on live not to mention the arcade has online play and most of the stuff I am playing is great online. So yeah my Wii is a doorstop. I was gonna buy a PS3 but to play what great exclusive title...... Ok maybe early 2009. Now I have mass effect, eternal sonata, assassins creed, forrza 2, halo 3, and cod4 conflicting with eachother for my time while still having chromehounds and a million arcade games that are getting neglected. This is horrible. Blu ray, japanese nationalism, or wii motes aren't gonna change the simple fact the 360 is GAMING this generation.

CrazyWerewolf
CrazyWerewolf

Ozzie234, as far as your Blu-ray gaming comments, I'm not really sure what you're referring to, I haven't had any problems at all, gaming on my PS3. I don't play Guitar Hero. I play real guitar, an Ibanez Universe to be precise, and I'm damn good at it. Check out www.youtube.com/shredfantom.

keyhunter
keyhunter

zfarooq: The PS3's only high rated games are shooters too. And less highly rated than the XBOX 360's. In fact, The XBOX 360's got more higher rated non shooters than the PS3 has games. The XBOX 360's even got more JRPG's than the PS3. Something that all the losers that bought the PS2 figured the PS3 would have alot of.

zfarooq
zfarooq

ALl i know ALL MS XBOX 360 highly rated titles are FPS

High-Res
High-Res

darkride66 I was actually in my mind aggreeing with your point 100% then I realised...I haven't purchased a CD since I got High Speed Internet. When the Movies start becomming as fast and easy to access as MP3's there is no doubt I will never buy another Movie again.

High-Res
High-Res

I own a Ps3 , a Wii and a X360. I get my games for free (Job Perk) 80% Play Time on 360 20% On Wii 0% On PS3 100% of My Movie Watching is on PS3 W/60 Inch HDTV Surround Sound. That being said, The new Introduction of the Latest X360 Dash Board and the Downlodable Movies and the Huge Catalog, Coupled by the fact I have young kids even the Movie Watching is now: 60% XBOX 360 40% PS3

darkride66
darkride66

brianpoetzel. That's not my point at all. I'm not saying the PS3 is better because of the quality of the games, I'm saying the PS3 HAS games, which happen to be highly rated. The percentages are too close to really matter, but I was just using this fact to help illustrate that the "No games on the PS3" myth needs to be put to rest.

Gen-Gawl
Gen-Gawl

@darkride66: But that percenatge alone isn't a good indicator of whether or not a console is good or not as compared to others. I think we need to look at the overall number and quality of games as well. If you only go by that percentage the PS2 comes in behind even the 360 and ps3 in terms of quality titles. And we know that's not true. Here are the percentages of 80 or above rated games xbox 360, 83 games over 80, 331 total games. 25% PS3, 41 games over 80, 127 total games, 32% PS2, 317 games over 80, 1521 games total, 20% Dreamcast, 50 games over 80, 143 games total, 35% Wii, 13 games over 80, 149 games total, 9% That percentage you go by just isn't a good judge.

darkride66
darkride66

I agree with Autolycus 100%. Renting movies is one thing but I'm not planning on abandoning a hard copy for my favorite movies. The idea that digital downloads will replace owning your favorite flicks is ludicrous. Why would anyone do that? If you owned the digital download forever that would be another thing, but I couldn't see any movie studio giving that kind of control to consumers given their current battle against piracy. brianpoetzel mentioned "Darkride was trying to argue that the ps3 has a better percentage of good games than the other systems." Indeed, that is my point, and the numbers back me up. I'm not saying that a flood of sub-par titles wouldn't dent that, just like it would with any other console, I was just using this fact in conjunction with the total number of games available for the PS3 to see if it wouldn't alleviate some of the ridiculous "PS3, no games!" posts.

amefford
amefford

By the time there are enough Blu-Ray titles out there to make it a legitimate alternative to the dominant DVD format, Blu-Rays players will be $100 or less. Its a sales point for the PS3 right now but personally, I wouldn't want to put that wear on my console when I can wait, probably get a better player, cheaper, with more avaialble titles in a year or so.

Gen-Gawl
Gen-Gawl

@autolycus: I may have read that wrong but I think that's what flyingdutchdog meant. Darkride was trying to argue that the ps3 has a better percentage of good games than the other systems.

Autolycus
Autolycus

rasterror "If you compare the the number of sales and money made, MS kills Sony with their digital download service." --- ( reply ) Regardless if that is true or not, I do not like digital downloads. Even if I am renting or purchasing. First of all, if I want ot watch the movie 1.5 years later, MS doesnt give me the option to purchase the title, only "rent". Even if I could purchase it, I WANT A PHYSICAL COPY of the product that I PAID MONEY FOR. I want a LIMITED EDITION, a box, proof of purchase the whole 9 yards. I am not a lone in sharing that either. Why do you think people show off their DVD collection?

Autolycus
Autolycus

flyingdutchdog the more games a system has, odds are the more garbage it will have. PS2 is a good example. It had the largest library of the three consoles, but it also had the most garbage. People tend to forget this ... it is the law of averages. ---- ( reply ) Using that same example, that means there are more titles that are good. While I would agree that PS2 did have a lot of "garbage" it also had some very nice qualities titles that couldn't be found on any other system. so there positives and negatives to that example you used.

flyingdutchdog
flyingdutchdog

darkride66: the more games a system has, odds are the more garbage it will have. PS2 is a good example. It had the largest library of the three consoles, but it also had the most garbage. People tend to forget this ... it is the law of averages.

DiscGuru101
DiscGuru101

PS3 = Cheap Blu Ray Player. If you want games, people are going Wii60. There is no reason to expect this to change in 2008.

rasterror
rasterror

MS has no need for a BD or HD DVD drive. If you compare the the number of sales and money made, MS kills Sony with their digital download service. Why do you think that Bill Gates was so happy to announce the other huge studios that were jumping on board? Because it is so much more important than a high-def disc video drive on the 360. There is no expensive hardware or shortages they have to worry about. Plus It's far more convenient for people to get. What would you rather do? Run around town to try to find a store that sells blu-ray or hd dvd movies then wonder if the movie if you want is in that format and pay a hefty premium? Or sit on the couch go on live pick the movie you want, and the thing you have to decide is standard for $3or hi-def for around $6 i think? It's that simple.

darkride66
darkride66

Kenji_Masamune said " If you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p then you might want to get glasses or something." I was just going by what I've read in numerous articles and Hi-Def buying guides. CNET's guide had this to say " Bottom line: It's almost always very difficult to see any difference--especially from farther than 8 feet away on a 50-inch TV" Take that for what it's worth.

darkride66
darkride66

Autolycus asked "So because 1720p is the best on paper, Does that mean we should rush out and adopt it? Then why should we for blu-ray?" You're right. We shouldn't, nor are we going to. Blu-Ray is targeted at and will only ever reach a limited market, imo. As for GT4 numbers, wikipedia has a list of the top video games of all time with sales numbers. It's quite illuminating. I would have never expected all the Gran Turismo games to be on that list. bardkieran "While you little gaming zealots have your epic console war, I'll wait for the smoke to clear and loot your corpses." That's nothing short of awesome. :)

bardkieran
bardkieran

@Bench_Scientist - Haha that's awesome. I've never been tagged as a fanboy before, mostly because enough people here know that I'm an underground game developer and give a rat's arse about which specific system is winning. Just like all other developers, my main focus is on market share. As for the HD-DVD vs Blu Ray, I know its all pointless to adopt either, with digital content streaming arriving in reliable, high speeds within the next 4-5 years. Besides, I don't have time to actually watch movies at home. If my TV is on, its to play games, not watch movies.

My initial point was referencing the wording of the article, declaring a new technology "dead". I think it's hard to tell in the course of one year, just like with the PS3. You have to let a technology sit for 4-5 years before you can rate its success. The analysts are the ones that tend to be too biased, or as you say "fanboi"

While you little gaming zealots have your epic console war, I'll wait for the smoke to clear and loot your corpses. :D

Kenji_Masamune
Kenji_Masamune

In order to succeed this time around the wii is going to need a lot more 3rd party titles. The hardware sales are excellent thus far, however I don't forsee the wii to continue to explode like it did the first year. It's going to be a good year in gaming this year no doubt. In terms of Gran Turismo 5 I can hardly wait. Going to get prelude day 1 and it's going to be a long wait until we get 'true' GT5. If you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p then you might want to get glasses or something. There's not a whole lot of games out there that are programmed for 1080P (upconverting doesn't count), but when you look at a true high def vs .... lesser HD then you'll notice.

Gen-Gawl
Gen-Gawl

That probably includes the free to download GTHD too. :-) JK btw.

Autolycus
Autolycus

That certainly isn't reflected in it's sales, or reviews at the time. 9.5 million sold and 18th on the top 20 selling video ---( reply ) if i remember correctly, thats for the whole series, not just GT4. if you claim it be for GT4 can you provide me w/ two links/sources to back it up?

Autolycus
Autolycus

darkride, I agree, sorry for the bad terminology, I probably just type "standard" to much or something along those lines. So will 1720p be the "standard" by next xmas? No way. But will it be the most superior on paper (like blu-ray) yes? So because 1720p is the best on paper, Does that mean we should rush out and adopt it? Then why should we for blu-ray?

darkride66
darkride66

Autolycus " is that SOOO amny LOYAL consumers feel/felt burned by GT4" That certainly isn't reflected in it's sales, or reviews at the time. 9.5 million sold and 18th on the top 20 selling video games of all time. I don't see Forza on that list anywhere. Reality seems to be at odds with your statement. That and given the near perfect reviews of GT Prologue (Prologue, not even the full game) and such statements as " it wouldn’t be inaccurate to say that it eclipses all other racing games around it," expect GT5 to be a monster.

darkride66
darkride66

Autolycus helpfully noted "They decided (SonY) to go against the standard DVD form" I disagree. I don't believe Blu-Ray is actively going against DVD. Blu-Ray is targeted towards the minority of people who own HD TV's. Those of us with Hi-Def tv's need something that can take advantage of the features, but we're nowhere close to having the numbers worldwide to challenge DVD. As for "1080p will be out of date by next xmas," there's always something new in the pipe, but don't expect those with shiny new HD tv's to suddenly rush out and buy the Quad Def TV's at $12000 a pop, just because they're there. With Hi-Def TV standardising at 720p or 1080i, expect this to stay the norm. It's taken the TV industry over a decade to even start the switch to digital, don't expect to watch Oprah in 1720p anytime soon. Beside, even now it's hard to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p unless your screen is over 50". Who in their right mind is going to buy a $12000 television that's no better to the naked eye than a $1500 TV?

Gen-Gawl
Gen-Gawl

@chamber303: It was perfectly logical. Just because we know what the past was doesn't mean we can 100% accurately predict the future. Past success is no gaurentee nor an indicator of future success.