Analyst: PS4 'clearly' topped Xbox One at E3

Robert W. Baird analyst says Sony's showing at this year's conference stronger than Microsoft's, but battle is far from over.

As E3 draws to a close later today, one analyst has claimed Sony has emerged in a better position than Microsoft, though the battle is far from ended.

"Clearly, Sony is emerging from E3 on stronger footing, contrasting the PS4 against the more pricey Xbox One," Robert W. Baird analyst Colin Sebastian said in a note to investors today.

Sebastian pointed out that the PS4 is currently outselling the Xbox One on Amazon and GameStop, but said that if Sony wants to maintain its edge, it must "engage gamers proactively" with new software announcements.

Concerning the Xbox One, Sebastian said sentiment surrounding the platform is "mixed," due in part to backlash over its used-game and connectivity policies from a "vocal group of core gamers." Still, Sebastian remarked that many Xbox One titles should generate buzz for the system, including exclusives like Ryse, Quantum Break, and Titanfall.

Microsoft's Xbox One will retail for $500, but the company may offer alternative pricing options, Sebastian said, referring to subsidized models.

"Also, with Microsoft positioning Xbox One as a premium entertainment hub, we believe there is still an opportunity to salvage the launch, for example, through alternative pricing plans," he said.

Earlier this week, Xbox boss Phil Spencer suggested that Microsoft was considering leveraging its paid Xbox Live service to "meet consumer price points."

"The nice thing about Xbox Live is consumers do see value in it; they continue to sign up; they continue to grow," Spencer said. "And I think that diversity of business models to both meet consumer price points and different services that they're integrating their Xbox experience with is something that we definitely look at."

Sony is also exploring "many pricing options" for the PlayStation 4 in addition to the core $399 model.

The Xbox One and PS4 will both launch later this year.

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Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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MercifulYet
MercifulYet

Being an Xbox fan boy, I would have to say the PS4 has stolen my heart. Sorry Xbone. You screwed up.

Mech-Gouki
Mech-Gouki

well done analysts, 2 years olds could figure this one out

slainta
slainta

Alternative pricing plans: 

Xbox One Light: No games, mandatory Kinect, mandatory XBL Gold subscription for streaming videos, voice and video recognition for switching channels and use the embedded browser.

Price: $349

HA! Beat THAT Sony!! :D

Dante-1989
Dante-1989

of course everyone is gonna buy ps4!

we play titanfall on 360 thank u very much!

i just hope they port the new halo for 360 too so there is literally no reason to buy xone at all

i have a massege: microsoft u ruined my next decade cogratulations so why dont u change the name of ur console to crapbox instead

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

I thought some people might be interested to read what I learned over the past couple days. I'm good friends with a regional manager at GameStop and ran into him when buying some games yesterday. We talked for quite a while and it was very enlightening. One particularly interesting piece of info he told me is that the B2B reps he regularly deals with at Microsoft are already hinting they expect low manufacturing yields at launch (whether that is related to rumored over-heating/API problems is anyone's guess as they were not forthcoming with that information). As a result, MS has assigned an average of 8 pre-order slots to each GameStop around the country.  By comparison, Sony is giving an average of 24 PS4 pre-orders to each Gamestop. For those of you keeping score, that's some pretty easy math...a 3:1 ratio.

Now, obviously these numbers do vary a little by locations/population/store, but as a general rule of thumb anyone can see that if Sony is indeed offering 3 times the pre-order slots to each Gamestop, then that means each company has a much different expectation about how much demand they are going see at launch...combined with how much demand they will be able to meet with manufacturing yields.

Having said all that, the city where I live has more than 15 Gamestops and this regional manager told me that PS4 pre-orders are out-pacing One pre-orders at all his locations by more than 2:1, in many locations by more than 3:1. After talking to him I personally called 5 Gamestops just to ask and see what reps would say and was told by every location I could pre-order a One no problem, but the PS4 was "sold out for now, but to call back soon". I also stopped in to 2 other nearby Gamestops just to engage in more convo and store managers told me pretty much the same thing: even though they have far less One pre-order slots, there were still some available while the PS4 bundles were "sold out for now".

I'm sure this varies by location/store, but judging from everything I learned just talking to a Gamestop regional manager combined with the fact that Amazon pre-orders are hovering at more than 2.5:1 in favor of PS4 (verified by an amazon contact), I think the overall sales picture is becoming pretty clear early in this race. This can certainly change at any time based on moves made by one or both companies, but so far at least the early adopters have spoken loudly.

Darnytoads
Darnytoads

Please, please Sony, let there be another PSone revolution!  Or . . . please Sony don't suck!  In principle I don't think I will be able to buy the X1. 

yixingtpot
yixingtpot

why is anybody surprised about Microsoft and their MonsantoBox? they are evil people and want to sterilize you to control the population, Bill Gates is a self confessed eugenicist. Don't buy Monsantobox for those reasons aside from stupid gaming concerns. 

Brazucass
Brazucass

Everybody is saying that PS4 is so good but there is something that they make sure to not mention so I am kinda confused since we already had all these advantages on the PS3.  Will I have to pay a subscription to play multiplayer games on my PS4?

coaltango
coaltango

ok so 399 for PS4 & 499 for the Xbox one.... how much is the storage capacity????


is it solid state? is it 500 gb how much??

puppeteer
puppeteer

I'm not really a Sony fan at all. But I will be getting the PS4 first. Then the WiiU and lastly the Xbox One after price drops to $299.

The cost & the Used game BS is what will sink the Xbox One.

tevic
tevic

I support PS4, BUT there's a very worrying trend: a lot of next-gen *games* become always-online.

We've got the new Test Drive Unlimited (The Crew) and the next Halo (Destiny), both rebranded as "MMOs" and now always online. Add to this Titanfall (a Call of Duty style game) and maybe even Sunset Overdrive (a Crackdown style game).

As you can read in the article below, The Crew completely plays off the disc so there's really no need for always online. It's blatantly anti-consumer DRM. When asked, the developers, embarrassed, say "it's next gen, always-online like World of Warcraft"

I can see a future where Call of Duty, GTA, Battlefield, Borderlands will suddenly all become "MMOs" with "seamless integration of singleplayer and multiplayer" and of course saving into the cloud and no offline play.

So as more and more AAA games will be rebranded "MMO" simply for the sake of putting an always-online DRM, maybe Sony's offline stance with the PS4 will make no difference after all. What's the point of owning an offline console if all the big games demand always online ? 

So I hope Sony will put pressure on the editors for them to include offline modes in all their games. After all offline play has become since E3 THE selling argument of the PS4. So I hope for the best, Sony our future as happy offline gamers lies in your hands !


http://kotaku.com/ubisofts-next-gen-racing-game-is-always-online-they-e-512250025

skiggy29
skiggy29

Im on amazon right now and there are plenty of PS4 available and....  there are launch day editions and editions that include every launch title.  Plenty of them available.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_8?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=playstation%204&sprefix=playstat%2Caps%2C419&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aplaystation%204

Xbox 1 has only 2 editions.  Launch day and standard. Neither say how many are available and neither of them are sold out.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=xbox+1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Axbox+1

Not sure where you got your info from but check for yourself.  They are available.

skiggy29
skiggy29

@mjswooosh Weird, it definitely does vary by location. My local gamespot is still struggling to sell out on the very first 40 reserves for the ps4 that were available last Monday night.  There are NO xbox one reserves available in the entire pinellas county, FL area, which is also a region of Tampa which is a huge market.  There are probably 30 gamestops in this area and while im not sure about all of them, the gamestops in pinellas are and have been sold out of X1's. Its still very easy to score a pS4 reserve around here, which I did this past Friday.  Interesting tho, however it does vary by region and location. 

BENNY_20_12
BENNY_20_12

@mjswooosh Hmm good find my friend, not to mention that is just in your area, think about all around the world :o the ratio would most likely increase in different country's so the ps4 sales will be massive at kick off.

blackbeltjones
blackbeltjones

@mjswooosh The gamestop near my home had 24 alotted for each when I pre'd and he said he expected each alotment to go up in a month.. Both were currently sold out.. so it most certainly is regional...

maddog123
maddog123

@yixingtpot Thank you for saying what I've been thinking. I don't buy Microsoft for these reasons. 


mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@tempattaronama If you care about gamer choice in how you buy/use/experience/keep/trade/sell your games and consumer rights at all, then the choice is easy this gen: PS4. There really is not even a discussion to be had about it in that light. Then when you throw in the fact the PS4 is more powerful (by a very significant 50% GPU shader/20% memory bandwidth margin), $100 cheaper at launch (because it doesn't force you to buy a mostly useless gimmick like the Kinect 2.0), and will definitely have better exclusives over the life of the console, it's really no contest.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@Brazucass I've been on Xbox Live Gold ($5 a month) for almost 10 years and have enjoyed the service quite a bit. The main reason it has been better over the years than PSN is because it is a paid service and they are obviously using that revenue to make it better in various ways.

So, the fact that Sony is taking PSN+ to a paid model for online multiplayer is actually a good move and merely brings them up to a level playing field with MS in terms of their online experience.

The important difference between the next gen systems is Sony seems to understand that offering gamers a CHOICE is important for gamers AND good for business. If you want to play online MP games you can pay for PSN+. If you only play single player games, you can choose not pay for PSN+. One added benefit to Sony's approach is that when you don't pay for PSN+ you can still use streaming apps like Netflix/Amazon/Hulu, etc...whereas if you only have Xbox Live Silver (non-paid), then they brick the apps and you cannot use them. Sony seems interested in the "carrot" motivation technique...whereas MS seems more interested in the "stick."

I've enjoyed being on Live Gold for a long time, but I just canceled my auto-renew for Live and will let my membership lapse to Silver for the first time in a decade when it expires in September. When the PS4 comes out this Christmas (already pre-ordered 2 of them off Amazon, will buy another from Gamestop to support Brick n Mortar) I'll simply switch my consumer $$$ to Sony (and most likely buy a Wii U when they have a price drop). No regrets. 

MS has shifted their policies in a direction that are no longer compatible with my cost/consumer rights based buying decisions.  If MS changes their policies, eliminates all system based DRM (24 hr checkins, used game resstrictions, etc...) and releases a SKU without the Kinect that is $100 cheaper I may reconsider. Either way, I still have and love my Xbox 360 consoles...and have a large library of current games on both it and my PS3s, so have no burning need to adopt a new anti-consumer MS console.

DocWabaki
DocWabaki

@Brazucass 

I've found the PSPlus subscription worth it, except for lately, oddly enough!

DocWabaki

chaos-commander
chaos-commander

@Brazucass Yes you pay for plus $5 month to play online. But normally you get $20-$50 worth of games each month.

fortunad0
fortunad0

@coaltango Both ship with 500GB mechanical drives, not solid state (otherwise they would both be about $800-1k).  The PS4 hard drive (like the PS3) is upgradeable whereas the Xbox One drive is not (unlike the Xbox 360).  I'm curious if they're 7.2k rpm this time around or still 5.4k?

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@puppeteer I own several 360s and love them. But for the life of me I don't know why any self-respecting gamer would buy a One at any price unless MS removes all DRM restrictions about checkins and used games. Just say no. :)

You'll be just fine with a PC/PS4/Wii U. Titanfall is the only good looking exclusive on the One and it is only a timed exclusive which will be out on PS4. 343 Ruined Halo. Gears was ruined too. MS doesn't have a killer app right now as far as I can see. Maybe if some of their new IP turns out amazing, but I'm willing to bet the PS4s exclusives will be much better in the long run (just like with the PS3 vs. 360...as much as I prefer the 360 online/controller, the PS3 has killed it the past 2 years on exclusives).

skiggy29
skiggy29

@Mommas_b_o_y This is because ONLY Sony fanboys come on these forums and make a stink.  Thats why that vote was won.  Probably 10 MS fans got involved in this vote because as a fan of both and I literally already have reserved both, I dont see anything that makes the PS4 more appealing when it comes to games and hardware.  Like I said in a previous post, Im an older gamer, I dont lend my games out, my consoles right now are always connected to internet so that whole check in means nothing to me as I wont even notice it does it, I do pror research before buying games so I dont have to trade or resell them. Me personally I like to collect my games. And actually, I like the idea that me and my family can share games via online profiles. So games I dont own but my cousin does I can play off his profile.  Thats better to me than physically lending my discs out. IDK to each his own with this console war but Im willing to bet that barely any MS fans even entered this voting.

blackbeltjones
blackbeltjones

@Mommas_b_o_y Another interesting fact about how polls can be manipulated by voter confidence.... A Cleveland Browns ended up on the cover of Madden... how did that happen you ask? A free for all poll... Polls mean nothing. Polls can be swayed by voters making extra accounts and voting several hundred time. Interesting but I dont think it really means anything. Seeing the 3:2 ratio for PS4 seems more realistic. 60% market share.... for now. Both will sell in the millions and thats what we as gamers NEED... Competition breeds innovation... Dont agree? Play a game of Madden football....

VicariousWolf88
VicariousWolf88

@tevic I read an article similar to that one basically saying that PS4 may say it can be played offline line but no one said the games could.. so yeah all the games you could love to play could require an online always connection so saying the PS4 can be played offline is pointless if the games cant be. oh and the same policies MS as for their games may also apply to sony but they just havent said it yet.

MercifulYet
MercifulYet

@Shango4
Trust me, I'm able to see that now. To think I started with a PS2. The only reason Microsoft got a hold of me was because of that retched Halo! 

MercifulYet
MercifulYet

@slainta  Ummmm. What? You sir, have confused me.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@blackbeltjones Yep. I'm sure it does vary by region, as noted. And I've been saying all along (prior to my post above) that I expect initial sales of the One to be fairly good and somewhere in line with PS4 sales. The question is going to be if MS has yield problems...and how long term sales will hold up without gamers evangelizing the One like they did with the 360. Long term sales always depend on word of mouth for every product. As it stands right now I'm having a hard time figuring out just who exactly is going to be passionate about the One and sell it to friends/family. It seems MS is targeting casual gamers/dude bros/soccer moms/football dads with the One and wants to (understandably) widen the appeal of of the One to a larger market. They seem to be hoping that their sacrifice of the core gamer isn't going to hurt them in the long run. But, I don't see how they are going to replace those word of mouth sales after the launch hype dies down and people begin to run into the very real restrictions/limitations of the One.

skiggy29
skiggy29

@blackbeltjones @Darnytoads EXACTLY!!! We need these consoles to be competitive. Gaming would suck if there was only 1 player.  There practically has always been competition in gaming and it makes for better games, better services and better consoles!!

Glasscut32
Glasscut32

@fortunad0 @coaltango I can almost guarantee both companies are using 5400 RPM 2.5 Sata drives.. But unlike sony who is known to make better hardware.. They might be able to squeeze in the 7200 RPM drive since they know how to design consoles unlike microsoft ( Xbox 360 5 yr RROD recall ).. smh 

PDiddyHere
PDiddyHere

@fortunad0 @coaltango someone told me tht becuz u can put install games into the cloud u dnt relly need to use the 500gb just save it to cloud becuz it has basically limitless storage space so wudnt tht mean tht xbox has more space than ps4?

tevic
tevic

@VicariousWolf88 @tevic Sony strongly pointed in the direction of offline first-party titles (i.e. Sony's).

So the potential always-online problem for the PS4 comes from third-party titles, see "The Crew", "Destiny", etc.

As I said a lot of people will buy the PS4 for its ability to play offline, so I expect Sony putting pressure on editors to add offline modes. If PS4 sells more than XO as I think, editors will have to bow to Sony's conditions and everything will revert as it is now (i.e. playable offline).

(it's the optimistic scenario I don't want to imagine the pessimistic)

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@blackbeltjones @mjswooosh "Just the TV features alone will attract the casual and mainstream gamer and let me tell you the mainstream gamer has more power than us core gamers."

I admire your judgment.

The world itself will be in line, in front of stores, the day the Xbox One arrives. Why? Because on Thetan III Xenu said so. In fact most of MS sales, if not all, will be limited to Thetan III. And it will sell a lot, at least that's what Xenu said.

$500 + 1 or 2 games + 1 controller + taxes... ($800+/-) to access "TV features"...?

I really admire your judgment.

What TV features? What TV features is the population of Thetan III waiting for? Tell me, please. Because here on Earth all of the services I care for are already accessed by my Xbox, my PS3, my blu-ray player, my Vita and my TV. Now on Thetan III maybe the population is willing to drop $800 on a toy to access some pay-services, at least that's what Xenu says, but here on Earth people don't need a box to get to stuff they already have access to otherwise. And they usually don't spend big money to get to something they can reach with little. In fact they don't spend big money on anything but essentials. Here on Earth, at least...

"...but the Xbox One is WAY more mainstream..."

Now tell me blackbeltjones that you're not just another name for skiggy29 aka Mr. Microsoft?

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@skiggy29 @mjswooosh In fact, skiggy29, the more I read your comments the more I find them interesting, but not for the good reasons. It's interesting to see how all of your posts are either defending MS, attacking Sony or attacking people who criticize MS.

Strangely enough you only reviewed 3 games and these 3 games, strangely enough, are Xbox exclusives. In fact, not only are they Xbox exclusives, but all of the 3 games are made or published by Microsoft Game Studios:

1 - Gears of War: Judgment, to which you gave 9 out of 10. "Something new!!! Nobody understands that!!!" Awesome this, awesome that...

       Nice judgment! Of course the public didn't see it that way and the game, rightly so, sold 1/5 of any other Gears.

2 - Halo 4, to which you gave 9.5 out of 10. "Words don't describe this amazing game!" Awesome this, awesome that, can't wait for the next Halo!...

3 - Forza Motorsport 3, to which you gave 10 out of 10. "Awesome game... better than Gran Turismo... take my unbias opinion, Forza is by FAR the best racing sim ever!!!!!...The 360 proves its generation dominance with yet another amazing exclusive title!!"

When it comes to the Xbox One:

"Also me personally, Im not really buying X1 for all the tv features, Im getting it as a gaming machine which, after E3 respectfully demonstrated it IS a gaming machine."

  Nice argument...

On the price difference between the Xbox One and the PS4:

" $100 is not too big a deal to me and Im NOT rich NOR financially comfortable so there are going to be millions of people better off than me that will easily buy this console."

   Sure...

On the pre-orders advantages of Sony's on MS:

"My local gamespot is still struggling to sell out on the very first 40 reserves for the ps4 that were available last Monday night.  There are NO xbox one reserves available in the entire pinellas county, FL area, which is also a region of Tampa which is a huge market..."

    Sure....

On sharing games, always connected, etc..:

" I dont lend my games out, my consoles right now are always connected to internet so that whole check in means nothing to me...  I do prior research before buying games so I dont have to trade or resell them...  I like to collect my games... I like the idea that me and my family can share games via online profiles..."

Tell me: do you think all of us are dummies and can't read between the lines? Do you think that we don't understand that their are massive investments in these toys and that these companies won't let opinions swayed, one way or the other, by no-lifes like us? Do you think that we don't understand they will hire writers to invade forums in the hope of mitigating unfavorable comments? Now, go back to your bosses at Redmond and tell them you have been unmasked (better get your hand on the check before they find out!).

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

@skiggy29 @mjswooosh Let me see if I read your post properly Skiggy29. You're willing to pay $500 for an Xbox One because MS showed their new console as a 'gaming machine' at E3. Sounds logical...

No casual gamer is going to drop $500 (not counting an extra controller, games, taxes) for a console that, as far as games go, cannot be borrowed or lend to and from friends and family. And, nobody cares about the Kinect! (unless you have a living room the size of a stadium, lighted like a stadium, and that you're idea of playing games consist of jumping up and down on the floor)

skiggy29
skiggy29

@mjswoooshYour post makes good sense, however it seems like it appeals heavily on your opiniopn of the device.  Im not sure I fully agree on all the points you have mentioned.

" Most families are not hard-core gaming families, so where is the motivation to pop the $500 (more like $620-$680 at launch after buying an extra controller and a game or to) to buy something that is largely redundant? "

Where does your comment above leave the PS4?  Its definitely not more for casual gamers or non gamers.  In fact Sony has touted that its all about the gamers.  Also me personally, Im not really buying X1 for all the tv features, Im getting it as a gaming machine which, after E3 respectfully demonstrated it IS a gaming machine. Skype is cool, on both consoles but not needed in my opinion.  The $100 price difference to me is because of the kinect, which Sony initially revealed its PS4 with the eye toy but I guess to make the price look better decided to scrap it.  $100 is not too big a deal to me and Im NOT rich NOR financially comfortable so there are going to be millions of people better off than me that will easily buy this console.  People who dont play games have no idea about  used games and all that stuff.  IDK, I think the holiday season itself will be a better decider as to which console is doing better specifically due to the allocations each store has. Sony is obviously putting more reserves out(lets hope they can deliver) than MS right now so judging by launch should be a given to Sony but once marketing sits in and people see what each of these devices can do it can easily turn the table. Look at the friggin Wii......  Sonys powerful PS3 and MS crazy 360 werent shit to Moms looking to buy their kids a console.  Anyway, this will be interesting and fun to follow. I look forward to owning both consoles as each have their strengths and weaknesses and each have game exclusives I enjoy very much..

gamespotnub420
gamespotnub420

@blackbeltjones lol,  You don't sell a 500 dollar "gaming console" to a causal.  It was targeted to the "small minority" apparently which is obviously backfiring

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

I think MS is wildly off-base in terms of what "casual" and "non-" gamers want in the current market out of their products.  I also think they're wildly off-base in terms of what sorts of restrictions the average consumer will accept. 

First, the appeal of the One is pretty limited at its current price point of $500 precisely because even thought it LOOKS like a DVR and is being marketed as an "all-in-one" device, the truth is it doesn't actually have DVR capabilities...so the average user buying it thinking it's going to become the center of their entertainment center and will replace all their other devices will quickly realize that you still need your DVR. In reality, despite all the marketing FUD, the bottom line is the One is a glorified pass-through device with voice control. Both are functions, by the way, that I already have with my Yamaha receiver and Panasonic SmartTV. I also already have (3) Rokus in my household which handle online streaming services like Netflix/Amazon/Hulu...each one cost me between $50 and $75 on sale at Costco...and each one uses MUCH less electricity than the One, sits innocuously (almost invisibly) in any location, etc.... Skyping is great, but why do I need an immobile $500 brick in my living room to do it when I can already Skype on my Android phone and/or my iPad and/or my PC and sit closer to or hold the screen up close. Example: my girlfriend's family took their iPad to a bar yesterday so her dad could Skype with his little grand-daughter while we all watched the NBA Finals game at the bar. How is the One going to allow that sort of flexibility without seeming redundant? Gaming: non-gamers and casuals like paying $1.99 for games and being able to do it on portable devices they can hold in their hands or laps. How does the One compete with that?

So, really, where is the motivation for me to buy a One from a casual gamer/entertainment center standpoint? 

Further, given the price point, this is NOT a small purchase for most families. Most families are not hard-core gaming families, so where is the motivation to pop the $500 (more like $620-$680 at launch after buying an extra controller and a game or to) to buy something that is largely redundant? 

I mean, if MS isn't targeting GAMERS then they need to give casuals a reason to buy this thing. And I just don't see it. Most middle class families have a million devices in their households that do everything the One does better and/or cheaper already....

Now, if we are talking about GAMERS, the very real 24 hour checkin restrictions which you seem to just brush aside as "no big deal" are already obviously a very big deal for GAMERS. The limitations on used games are also HUGE to a large percentage of gamers who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford gaming. This might not a big deal for "casuals/nons" since they prefer $1.99 games on iPad/Android anyway...but if they can't sell to casuals/nons long term...and gamers want nothing to do with these restrictions, I don't see what core group is going to get passionate about this thing? Word of mouth is HUGE.

When was the last time you heard someone get passionate about their DVD or Bluray player? The reason the answer to that is never is because its a commodity device that does nothing special. GAMING CONSOLES, however, are by definition "special" because they, well, allow us to play GAMES on them. That is the core demographic who cares about and buys GAME CONSOLES...gamers. I don't see most of my neighbors giving a rat's ass about either the PS4 or the One...because they don't game. If they need an extra Bluray player they MIGHT buy one or the other for that function...but when they see the premium price most are going to say, "nah, I'll just pop $100 on a Sony BR player instead...I already have a Roku and I don't game".

The takeaway point here is that MS needs to sell this thing to GAMERS. Their belief they can somehow sell voice controls to Joe and Jill Sixpack who don't game is delusional.

blackbeltjones
blackbeltjones

@mjswooosh I dont see any real restriction except for the 24 hour check preventing someone who doesnt have internet from actually using the Xbox One AT ALL. However the restrictions that everyone keep talking about are most certainly being misinterpreted. There are plenty of people, myself included, who seem to be reading it differently than others. Just for arguments sake let me say the "core gamer" is a small minority who speak the loudest online, but the majority of purchasers will be the mainsteam "gamer". When I was a wee youth there was nothing but core gamers because you either played videogames or you didnt.. there was no in between. you wouldnt even admit you played video games in PUBLIC. Arcades were dark, smoke filled, and slightly scary place. Now everything is mainstream and as much as I hate to say it as I will get bombarded with being accused of being a fanboy but the Xbox One is WAY more mainstream.. Just the TV features alone will attract the casual and mainstream gamer and let me tell you the mainstream gamer has more power than us core gamers. Have you seen the number of sales for the Kinect peripheral. I didnt say the Kinect was good, but it was just the fastest selling peripheral ever... Also ask the app sellers for the Iphone, Ipad, Ipod... These 99 cent or free-to-play "pay-to-master" games rake in millions for some. Core gamers trying to ban MS and their policies is going to be really hard. Mainstream is where the majority of sales are going to come from and that will be after all the core gamers preordered theirs.. We are a small minority of initial sales...

fortunad0
fortunad0

@Glasscut32 @fortunad0 @coaltango From what I've heard the issue was always heat.  They don't want the drives to be bottlenecks in these sleek, sexy new machines.  If they're putting bigger, better, faster in there with the CPU/GPU then they are likely to have more exhaust/ventilation (look at the back of the PS4).  Hopefully they put 7.2k's in there because at this point on a 500gb 2.5" the price difference is almost negligible.  At least on PS4 you could always swap it out with a bigger/faster drive. :)

skiggy29
skiggy29

@mjswooosh @PDiddyHere Duh its got usb and usb makes for an external hard drive..    Bro why dont you just say MS sucks instead of trying to make it sound like your posts are intelligently unbias.  Everytime you mention X1 you say nothing but bullshit.  You know before Sony released the HD specs of PS4, every Sony fanboy was making fun of 500 Gb which is now hilarious since both have the same size storage.  You can easily use a usb hardrive to manage space.  Its exactly like upgrading the sony hard drive.  Your delving waaay too much into hard drives and what you will be doing to someone who simply asked a simple question.

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@PDiddyHere Sony will have a fully functioning "cloud" service as well by 2014. It is well known they are working on getting it going. So, within 1 year of launch the "cloud" argument will be a wash since both services will be virtually identical.

That said, don't fall for any hype (from either company) about the capabilities of "cloud gaming". This is pure markering BS that is being spread (mostly by MS shills and desperate fanboys) in order to try to level the playing field in light of the fact that the PS4 is significantly more powerful. The bottom line is that "cloud gaming" is hype...and for various reasons (related mostly to bandwidth/high-speed latency problems) will not be able to actually improve graphics for online games at all. That is pure marketing FUD.

Now, as a STORAGE option it's OK...but nothing special. MS has the cloud operating RIGHT NOW for the 360...I sometimes put save games in the cloud. But, ultimately you won't be able to put entire game installs in the cloud for the same reasons that "cloud gaming" is BS: latency/lag. It simply won't work. You will have to install games to your local hard drive on both consoles. Period. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

So, with that in mind it's obvious which console is better in this area: the PS4 allows you to easily replace your internal hard drive with much bigger and very cheap after market hard drives. The XBox One does not...it is limited to the small 500GB drive (yes, it will be very small by next gen standards when you consider that each game will require 20-50GB install space).

I own several 360s, but will not touch the One with a 10 foot pole for many reasons. The limited, non-replaceable hard drive space is just one more reason to avoid it. When I get my PS4s this holiday I'll immediately be replacing one of the hard drives with a 1 or 2 TB hard drive...and the other with a 500GB SSD (one PS4 for speed for games, one PS4 for movie storage).

wooooode
wooooode

@PDiddyHere That would be like streaming your games which adds lag. The cloud is a huge PR thing that is getting more attention than it should. Sony has the same thing basically along with Genki which was a solid streaming game service.

skiggy29
skiggy29

@tevic @VicariousWolf88 Game companies will never bow to a console maker.  Its the games tha make the console.  Look at the Wii U and the Wii. Why do you think they suck? No 3rd party support.  3rd parties will tell Sony what they are going to do.  Sony doesnt make enough exclusives to rely only on 1st party.  Nontendo is the king of exclusives and they cant do it.  3rd parties are going to do what they want and if Sony has a problem with it, Im sure MS will pick them right up. Sorry to say but this always online shit isnt going anywhere and eventually Sony will have to bow to it. Sony, which I love can say what they want for now and who knows they could be lying to us all and know that always online will take over their console in 2014 when their "cloud" comes around but they would have already obtained a fanbase so what the fuck do they care. i just dont see all this shit MS is doing to be exclusive, I think somewhere Sony isnt telling us everything...  Sorry...

jecomans
jecomans

@PDiddyHere I used my phone as a hot spot for my PS3 until about 2 weeks ago when I got NakedDSL. It's pretty poor for online play but it would do your 24-hour check in just fine. 

mjswooosh
mjswooosh

@PDiddyHere Not the same thing as it will still be useless for those who have no online at all and/or don't have a phone that is capable of tethering (which is the vast majority of even smart-phones). Requiring multiple layers of complexity to get some pointless checkin in DRM to work is not a good way into gamers hearts. And if gamers aren't going to support this thing, who will? Casuals can't program their bedside alarm clocks, but you expect them to figure out how to tether their phone so the One doesn't brick itself every 24 hours? LOL

PDiddyHere
PDiddyHere

@tevic @VicariousWolf88 i heard microsofts online can b powered by ur phones wi-fi hotspot, is tht true? if it is then wudnt tht mean i can stll play online if my router or something breaks.? ps4 cant do tht