"Always-online" tweeter Orth giving speech at GDC Next

Former Microsoft creative director to give talk that explores "toxic online behavior" and why he left the Xbox maker.

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Adam Orth--who resigned from Microsoft following his controversial "always-online" and "deal with it" comments--will give a presentation on "toxic online behavior" at GDC Next, event organizers have announced.

Orth, a former Microsoft creative director who now runs his own Orthnation consultancy firm, will give a talk titled "Mob Rules: The Destructive Power of Opinion and Online Community."

During the course of his talk, Orth will provide insight into why he left Microsoft and discuss how he believes the game business can "inspire developers as a community to rebuild the foundation of online and community through positive academic, communal, and mechanical revolution."

Speaking on Twitter in April, Orth made headlines after saying, "Sorry, I don't get the drama around having an 'always on' console. Every device now is 'always on'. That's the world we live in." He then used the hashtag "#dealwithit."

Orth continued, saying that people should "definitely get with the times and get the internet" and that "I want every device to be 'always on.'"

His comments came before Microsoft officially announced the Xbox One and revealed a new policy that requires users connect to the Internet once per day.

GDC Next takes place November 5-7, 2013 at the Los Angeles Convention Center. Other game companies speaking at the event include thatgamecompany, Disney, and Google.

Discussion

654 comments
Randolph
Randolph moderator

He was fired for being a raging asshat towards paying Xbox customers.  He cost MS money, so he was asked to resign.  He should have been shitcanned.  If an employee of mine was in front of the store telling people "we do things this way only, deal with it" and people were walking away and taking their business elsewhere, I'd fire them so fast their head would be spinning.

The arrogant yet harmless opening tweet is not why he lost his job, the article should show his disdain for the poor and people in rural areas of the country with no or extremely poor (like 56k) internet.

lostn
lostn

He was asked to resign. Don't kid yourselves. He saved MS, pretty much. If not for his comments, MS would have presented the box as always online, and if you lose your connection your game stops. The outrage forced MS to tone it down to one check in every 24 hours. Some more outrage caused them to drop it completely.


e3 would have been tons worse for MS if not for Adam Orth.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

Riddle me this, riddle me that, 

rye96 just told me he got fucked with a big splintered bat.

He wondered how big, bent over and looked towards the floor.

Give it to me harder sir, may I please have some more.

He hollered and yelled, louder and louder it seemed,

Microsoft said "deal with it", I'm out of anal ease.

snova9308
snova9308

looks like he still doesn't get why he was fired.

RussellGorall
RussellGorall

Considering Microsoft's PR nightmare this year, he should be made an Xbox exec.

SoulxReaperx366
SoulxReaperx366

Well no surprise, he wants to complain about how GAMERS have an effect on GAMING CONSOLES. Yeah, you're key consumers' opinions don't really matter, is that it? You got your a** fired, face it. Microsoft just didn't want to pay you another week so they made you resign instead.

Motroucet
Motroucet

"Orthnation" ... This guy needs a reality check. Who the F#(K would want to be a fictitious citizen in that country?

Everyone would be rebel separatists.

tevic
tevic

Don Mattrick will soo join him as having "resigned" from Microsoft :)

allever
allever

When is Don Mattrick handing his resignation?

Bregzeinkul
Bregzeinkul

>>Why he left Xbox

umm... you were fired?

>>give a presentation on "toxic online behavior"

so you will give a presentation on yourself. Good luck kind sir.

senjutsu
senjutsu

So he still doesn't understand how bad things went after his comments? What an imbecile. Nobody will listen to him now anyway.

zintarr
zintarr

To Adam Orth, #wedeltwith it bitch!

Justforvisit
Justforvisit

Hmmm.....I see a new game clone coming soon

"Angry Orth's"

:]

poseidion
poseidion

Adam Orth needs a psychologist.

Hurvl
Hurvl

Resigned? I doubt that, though if true, the best I could say about that is that he messed up big time and took the consequences of it. He might still have something to say worth listening to, because one mistake isn't (or shouldn't be) enough to kick you out of the industry forever.

telaros
telaros

Give a speech on "Toxic Online Behavior"? LOL

Cry Hard: Tweet Another Day
Cry Some More: Orth'ed Again
Cry Hardest: Toxic Behavior "#Dealwithit"

Boo~hoo~ Little Orthy Foo Foo need his bottle-wottle, hmm?


Man, he wrote a whole presentation on how bullies that refused to #Dealwithit managed to get Microsoft to back out of the always-on policies. Boo~hoo~

That's rich.

Sparticus1013
Sparticus1013

I don't think this dope should have gotten fired for his opinion. One tweet, and he looses his gig. That's kind of fucked up. That said, his opinion was beyond thoughtless and stupid, and he shouldn't be requested to speak anywhere.

YukoAsho
YukoAsho

You know, in a way, we ought to thank Mr. Orth.  Had he not been such an asshole about it, we probably wouldn't have been on our guard and ready to pounce on MS as soon as they showed their hand.

Either way, it's going to be interesting to see if he admits to being a toxic internet shithead when he talks at GDC Next...

ilantis
ilantis

LOL , the little spoiled adult is now crying to his mommy cause he got bullied by the people on the internet.

Preview of the speech: "Everyone today has the internet ? how can you live without the internet ? Why won't people come TO DA FUCHAR with me and Major Nelson? People where really mean to me because I insulted them and they reacted while they should have shut up and be the little sheeps they are"

 Guess what ? You now are unemployed and the whole industry is now against pro-always online policies. You think everyone else is wrong ? #dealwithit

USDevilDog
USDevilDog

So he's playing victim now?  The moment Orth spoke in a combative tone, he invited a strong response.  #dealwithit is tactless, smug, and rather dismissive.  If he wants to criticize this so-called toxic online behavior, he needs to learn how to be above it first. 

Whispermkd
Whispermkd

lol Well that escalated quickly! 

Divedude
Divedude

Orth got his ass kicked out because he was an idiot.  now QQ some more.

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

How about instead of doing a seminar on how vicious the online community can be and how quickly you can find your ass booted out the door... you do a talk on how people (not just you Mr. Orth) need to stop and THINK before they post something on twitter. How many celebrities do you see putting their idiotic feet in their mouth with their stupid comments and hashtags. Sportsmen who tweet something discriminatory and then have their million dollar sponsorship deals cancelled. 

No... people don't need to know about what the online world is like... they need to learn to THINK before they click that submit button. It's the internet, once you put something out there... it's out there.

vadagar1
vadagar1

internet toxic behavior??!!!

YOU DON'T SAY, usually I take most internet idiot's comments with a bucket of salt and then some, srs most troll on-line are just bitches that need to be slapped a few times and they can assume a fetal position in the corner while crying about their pathetic existence and drowning in a pool of their own tears.

and honestly he should have handled it better, had a few laughs and just told everyone to give it a rest.

but no, now he wants revenge... unless he is planing on nuking the earth  it ain't gonna happen  :/



gusglowger23
gusglowger23

Who would even want to listen to this jerk?

vadagar1
vadagar1

good good let the hate follow through you ....

Banyek
Banyek

I dont try to defend MS, but they did away with Orth in minutes, when the tweeter feed came out. That was kind of a good deed from them, and immediately dropt the full time DRM to occasional... They dropped the whole thing only in the end, becouse they did a lot of features that required at least the one time/day connection, like online stats, high score updates, usw...
They probably had features, like pop up ads in game textures, like a cocacola ad in the street of GTA, or something like that, that would have made more money for them, and the gamers doesnt probably mind the stupid ad either.. So it could have been a good opportunity in more developed , connectionstable countries... And now, that the gamers didnt liked that either, they changed again.. just becouse Orth was a fucking ignorant asshole, the whole company should not get identified with him... especially now, that they did everything the gamers asked for...

DeKuip
DeKuip

Its should be called toxic corporate BS behavior. So he is implying that we hold back the game industry with our opinion and online community. This is one of the few markets that consumers actualy have a say in and know he is bitching about that to. This guy is a disgrace and should never be able to work in the gaming industry again. People like him  are whats wrong with the world. Gamers have a say in there product and that scares the hell out of M$ and $ony

keyb0red
keyb0red

" ... will give a presentation on "toxic online behavior"

ummm, he already did, like 2 months ago? 

LOL


koospetoors
koospetoors

Of course he "left" Microsoft, hah.

If this guy is allowed to give a presentation at GDC, then hey, maybe I can also sign in to talk about how we don't have enough jiggle in military games (complete with animation!), its equally as smart as his presentation so why else wouldn't they allow me in?  

keech
keech

This guy of all people is going to give a presentation about "destructive" online actions, and how he thinks it can be fixed?

Sorry but no, I'm sure people like Orth believe life would be better without the online community.  I'm sure companies like Microsoft would love a world where we can't verbally bludgeon them into submission like we did.

 I however firmly believe we, the consumer, and community should have a voice.  WE decide what the future of gaming will be, NOT Microsoft, NOT Sony, NOT Nintendo.  This was a powder keg issue for years now.  We as a community finally drew a line in the sand, and you know what?  It worked.  So everyone who spoke out against MS's nonsense, give yourself a pat on the back and be proud.

ROEG-GAMER
ROEG-GAMER

Adam Orth is toxic, I was happy when Microsoft fired that guy. The internet is awesome but from a technological stand point the internet isn't as common in certain areas in the country as it is in big cities. The day when internet can be access by all at anytime or any place,when you can wake up in the morning and see a holographic mobile computer with advance A.I follow you through out the day that you can access 24/7 with internet, gaming, etc. Only then can Adam Orth talk about always online until we see internet become accessible to the masses then and only then can always online exist but the technology isn't accessible to all and the internet isn't as common as most of us think. It's 2013 you would think everyone would have the internet but that's just not so. Internet accessibility is still out of reach for the majority.    

scarletsnake
scarletsnake

How the hell are they letting this sack of sh!t into the building? He should be serving fries over at his local McDonalds.

Crixxix
Crixxix

@tevic Agreed. He needs to get out as well. I demand it LOL.

Crixxix
Crixxix

@Bregzeinkul Very nice. I thought something along those lines when I read this article last night.

senjutsu
senjutsu

@Hurvl Well, it's still a pretty big mistake. That clearly started all the bad stuff on microsoft. I wonder if people would have reacted the same way if it wasn't for his comments.

vgsak2005
vgsak2005

@Hurvl oh heck no. Just ask Denis Dyack. He's still around!

Hurvl
Hurvl

@YukoAsho People were already worried about what Microsoft would do and the always-online rumour was spread long before Adam Orth tweeted his opinions. With Adam Orth's tweets, it was simply easier for people to confirm to themselves that what they believed/feared was actually true. The same outrage would have happened with or without Adam Orth's intervention, he just fueled the flames and made the amount of hate rise quicker. 

Either way, he sure has personal experience of toxic online behavior, both his own and other people's.

BradBurns
BradBurns

@USDevilDog 

Ya got it.


Also, he seemed to be offended by the fact that people spoke out against the policies that Microsoft was trying to impose on consumers. I'm grateful that people didn't take that lying down. Those policies were absurd, to put it lightly. 

iempire68
iempire68

@Ayato_Kamina_1 Right on. He should discuss responsible and respectful communication in the 21st century. Who the hell would hire this ass to speak to people???

Sporks_Calamity
Sporks_Calamity

@vadagar1 That's the best way to deal with troll, it had me in stitches lol. But good comment though and I agree. 

Crixxix
Crixxix

@Banyek Agreed, and now there's rumors that a lot of the awesome features are gonna be dropped too.

Crixxix
Crixxix

@keech True, but I'm not quite sure that we had the entire story. What Microsoft should have done after Orth's bullshit ordeal was come out with a live stream of them publicly speaking and detailing exactly what these features would do, instead of being secretive and mysterious about the Xbox One. That to me could have been a make or break decision on their part, but they chose just to simply drop those ideas instead. If they would have been more forth coming and upfront about the purpose of "always on" and what not, maybe we would have went with it, and over looked Orth's temper tantrum.

Crixxix
Crixxix

@Sporks_Calamity @vadagar1 Honestly, some people can't afford internet, or they live in the country. I come from a small town, and once you get a few miles out of town, you can't get good enough of internet for Xbox Live (Or the required kind of internet). The only kind of internet offered is dial-up LOL. I live in town, and hop off my neighbor's internet.

keech
keech

@Crixxix @keech That's true also, this will easily go down as one of the biggest RP and marketing blunders in the industry.

Though I would argue just mere fact that they were so secretive shows MS knew they were crossing a line long before the public outcry.

I also mildly resent MS because they could still have pulled off a lot of the features they claimed required these strict policies WITHOUT said policies.  Hell, simply giving the consumer the ability to opt-out of certain features would of gone a long way.

Crixxix
Crixxix

@keech @Crixxix I agree. I have no problem with MS putting out cutting edge features that would have certain implications to how your system runs, but have an opt out feature for these features.

Now, we won't be able to switch games without getting up to change the disc, we won't be able to share our library, etc. I for one might have opted in, but they had the mind set that it was "all or nothing".

Forcing people to take features is never the way to go, as we'll always throw them in your face, and say "screw you". If you give us the choice, most of us will likely go along with them. But honestly, the secrecy sold them out before Orth ever did.

I hope that MS learned from these mistakes, and possibly can still redeem themselves by giving us the choice to "Opt in" to these features, that way we either have the intended experience they wanted us to have, or an over glorified, better graphics 360. Let us Choose MS, let us choose.