Activision criticises "immature, whiny a**holes" who threaten COD devs

Activision community manager Dan Amrich criticises Black Ops II players sending threats of violence to Treyarch developers following Black Ops II patch.

Activision community manager Dan Amrich has appealed to members of the Call of Duty community who verbally insult and threaten its developers over social media.

Amrich's blog post stems from the fallout following the game's latest balance patch, which reduced the rate of fire on the DSR 50 and Ballista and nerfed the damage on the AN-94.

Following the balance changes, Treyarch studio design director David Vonderhaar--one of the most recognisable faces at the studio--took to Twitter to say that the changes weren't worth the threats of violence he was receiving.

"The DSR fire time was 0.2 seconds. It's now 0.4 seconds," he said. "The rechamber time was 1.0 seconds. It's now 1.1 seconds."

"Not sure these fractions of seconds are worth the threats of violence," added Vonderhaar.

Writing on his blog, Amrich said that Vonderhaar "often gets told he should die in a fire or kill himself or is a horrible person. If anybody thinks for a second that this is okay, it is not. But if the loudest voices in the Call of Duty 'community' act like an angry mob instead, guess how the entire world views Call of Duty? Now consider that these Internet Tough Guy rants and demands are not unique to COD, but exist everywhere, in many gaming communities. This is why the world often does not take gaming seriously; this is why gamers are assumed to be immature, whiny a**holes. Because the immature, whiny a**holes are louder."

"The fact that [Vonderhaar] focuses on the useful feedback, puts that intel to good use fixing the problem, and doesn't irrationally lash out at the immature, whiny a**holes is amazing."

"Role-play this for a second. When you make a mistake--because you do, we all do--or someone finds something wrong with something that you created, whether it be a meal or driving instructions or even a blog post, how would you prefer to find out that there is an issue? Would you like someone to just say, 'Hey, I noticed this and I think it's not quite right; are you seeing what I see?' Or would you react better to having someone scream in your face that since your mother didn't have an abortion, you should commit suicide instead? This is not the way to show a developer that what they do matters to you. Not at all."

"If you enjoy your games, have a little respect for the people who make them--and stop threatening them with bodily harm every time they do their job."

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1254 comments
Grindstones
Grindstones

This whole "It's your fault for making Call Of Duty" argument is absolutely ridiculous. It's so similar to the "If a girl wears revealing clothing she's asking to be raped" argument that it's truly scary. If you think it's acceptable for game Devs to be threatened over a patch, how far away is it for them to actually be assaulted and it be acceptable? Come on now.

blackothh
blackothh

Why has it taken till now for them to say something? The flys were attracted to the smell of rotting meat the day modern warfare was launched.

jcknapier711
jcknapier711

Activision is exactly right.  Death threats are so retarded.  Anyone making them is a coward and does not possess the wit to  hurl a decent insult.  Anytime there's some big controversy surrounding CoD, invariably it's being caused by the, "immature, whiny a**holes." 

It seems their time would be better spent trying to make a mod that reverts these changes that they don't like.

SipahSalar
SipahSalar

The developers of this game are immature whiny a**holes. How about they stop making games and go back into prostitution?

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

When even the creators of the game openly talk this way about some of their buyers then you know your fanbase has a serious problem. Not just "part of the spirit" anymore.

RevLuckyShot
RevLuckyShot

Even so if you don't like an update patch or something else about the game, try explaing yourself with some factual basis instead of "die in a fire". Devs or other gamers will be more inclined to take you seriously. This is what gives gamers a bad name, you see it in many things. Sport hooligans spouting abuse at  others just because they support someone else. Try being reasonable and you may see changes you like.

GladChimer
GladChimer

"Video Games are Art" 

"Respect the Gaming Community, we are not mindless and violent idiots"

I cannot believe there are people here that discuss BFs superiority over CoD instead of discussing how absolutely stupid our community seems to be for sending death threats to developers of a video game. My God, this is terrible.

alhussainnaseer
alhussainnaseer

ACTIVISION look BF is best, im sorry but franchise is getting boring with same graphics u just keep polishing it thats all, and its getting boring boring boring and boring

:)

ShimmeringSword
ShimmeringSword

You spend years refining your game to the point of perfection with the explicit intent of attracting these types of gamers, and now you're complaining that you got what you wanted?

No remorse, you deserve it devs and activision.

Impetus94
Impetus94

They can't hear there audiences yell "Stop" over their cash registers opening anyway, lol. Maybe Acty should actually stop putting all of their effort into CoD and add variety to the games of today, not just FPS's and Skylanders.

colinbox
colinbox

Haha well, you've created a game that attracts such kind of audience. I mean, what did you really expect?

DLazarek
DLazarek

If you think how they talk to the dev's is bad, you should hear the insults they yell at their parents upstairs.  ;)

Lawrencevanrijn
Lawrencevanrijn

Small message for Dan Amrich!

If your devs are threatened, then I suggest you access your current sniper team advisors and let them make house calls. (gives a whole new scope to ultra-realistic).

We prefer the devs focus on making/fixing COD versions.

Kind regards,
the COD Gaming Community!  B-)

vivalatour
vivalatour

it's just some think they're better than they are and can't stand themselves so they take it out on others , I know the type and wish they would play roulette with a fully loaded gun and heck yes by all means they can go first !

Bleak5170
Bleak5170

Like we needed more proof that the COD community is by far the worst in the history of video games. The games are good but the community? Just awful.

Yamakoichi
Yamakoichi

Activision criticises "immature, whiny assholes".

In other words, their entire playerbase

hitechgraphs
hitechgraphs

Thats why I never play Cod.At the end its all about insulting cursing and swearing inside or outside the game,was only a matter of time until their respective devs finally got a taste of their own poison ,karma at last. But how ppl can find this stuff entertaining? We live in a strange world.

PumpkinBoogie
PumpkinBoogie

Don't get me wrong: he's most certain right. And while it's definitely NOT okay the way some of these asshats act......it's still really a 'no frickin' duh, Einstein' type of thing, sadly.

What the hell does he expect when you're constantly churning out the type of games that keep feeding the losers and loons of the lowest common denominator? Activision themselves are the blame for their festering eyesore of community that is the COD crowd--when you make something a little TOO accessible or mainstream all the wrong 'gamers'....this is what ends up happening.

Boss_Awesome
Boss_Awesome

While it is sad to see this kind of behavior from a gaming community, it isn't surprising to see it from the CoD community.  In most other online communities, if someone is being annoying or stupid the others in the community will tell them to "Go back to CoD", which is often taken as an insult even by the immature asshole it was directed at.  


Truth is that the CoD community is full of kids, and kids really haven't learned to interact with others.  I don't think it has anything to do with violent video games its just that when people are at a young age they are incapable of really feeling much in the way of empathy and often say things off the cuff that an adult would never ever say.  I doubt they mean it when they make these threats since they are just dumb kids who don't know any better.  Somewhere along the lines kids learn empathy and social skills, this is simply part of their development process.  Not much to do except call them out on it and hope they learn something.

Pie_FOREVER
Pie_FOREVER

COD appeals to the lowest common denominator of the gaming community, and society in general. It's the dregs of a subculture. 

zhurnivuurg
zhurnivuurg

I believe that it was Jim Sterling who said that "maturity" and "dignity" are overrated, since game developers will typically just ignore a gentle piece of good advice.  Thus, he urged the gaming community to keep doing what works - scream, cry, and hurl insults until the developers can't help but to hear your voice.  

He made that observation after the Extended Cut DLC was announced for ME3, to placate all of those who had been disappointed by the original ending.  Hard to argue with results.  You can see similar results whenever some news channel tries to host a debate on "video game violence".  The pro-games guys try to appeal to dignity and reason, like they are pretending to be jedi or something, while the anti-games guy will spout angry accusations and hyperbole and come out sounding like they had the stronger point, since they delivered their bile with far more conviction than the other guy did.

In short, tantrums and passion work far more effectively than gentility and politeness, and encouraging gamers to be more dignified is no different then telling them to shut up and take what they are given without complaint.

Infinite_Access
Infinite_Access

Good job to them.  Good job.  CODbrats don't deserve the games they play. 

winnazdaluza
winnazdaluza

I understand their concern , but when I see the developers themselves result to namecalling....just like the 10 yr olds that are threatening them, kinda makes me looose some respect for them.

People will indeed say all sorts of crazy things on the internet about you depending on how famous you are.Aknowledging trolls is actually a way to glorify them.The best way to deal with trolls is to NOT lash back, not even recognize that they exist.Just go on as normal, BUT if any serious threats come in ...and i do mean ones that you can track down...do so.

Blizzard is also a famous company that has recieved some threats due to their unruly community; but they calmy say that "ANY and all threats will be acted upon" and they state that in their forums.

The last thing they should do is lower themselves to the level of these trolls by "slinging poo" back at these trolls to the extent that you both appear to be involved in a brawl.I kinda expected activision to be above this type of behavior.


UltraredM
UltraredM

Kids, stop playing these games. Go play something else.  Call Of Duty isn't worth your time, plain and simple.

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

@blackothh Nah, Wodern Warfare 2 was still worth playing. Shortly after that when it became something massive... well. What you just said.

Warlord_Irochi
Warlord_Irochi

@jcknapier711 Just the act of getting pissed because of a game is retarded. Sometimes I feel that those of us that play to ahve fun are a minority.

DamnILoveGames
DamnILoveGames

@GladChimer It's as bad as the people who sent Michael Bay death threats for giving Optimus Prime hot rod flames lol. Some people take what they love waaay too seriously.

Hal3x
Hal3x

@alhussainnaseer No! i don't want kids playing BF4 they are going to ruin the experience. Let them have their COD with their awesome Fish A.I and dogs

TheShadowFox123
TheShadowFox123

@alhussainnaseer  Im sorry to burst your bubble, but really BF isnt all that great. the game is really just meant for people who played from day 1 all because if you are a low level/new to the game...well your screwed. personally Elder Scroll will always top BF. It just has alot more replayability

blackothh
blackothh

@Impetus94 There are so many other games and so many other devs out there that make great games that I would be happy to have activision continue to be a babysitting service for many years to come.

straightcur
straightcur

@Boss_Awesome the problem is we have a whole generation of parents that don't want to put in the effort to actually parent.  instead, let their kids be assholes and reward them with a shiny new console .

Boss_Awesome
Boss_Awesome

@straightcur @Boss_Awesome 

I hear that a lot, and often times from people who don't have kids.  Now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of bad parents out there that fail to properly discipline their kids.  But there are also parents out there that take an interest in what their child is doing and properly discipline them and still end up with an ill behaved child.  This is because children don't have the mental development to always comprehend how others interpret their actions and that they really haven't developed a sense of empathy yet.  Don't any of you remember junior high school?  :)  

  Its easy to blame the parents because often times it is their fault, but this isn't always the case.   The only solution is to call out the child and hope they learn something.  It may also help to try and remember when someone says something awful and call them out on it at a later date as well so that they can see that their actions actually do have consequences.  

TheShadowFox123
TheShadowFox123

@alhussainnaseer @UltraredM  please just stop with the BF comments.. Both of the games suck. FPS games (other than Halo) have gotten very predictable at this point so they are all pretty much the same. Except EA are greedy bastards and over charge the hell out of the game