220 million consoles & handhelds in US - GameStop

Citing NPD figures, megaretailer gives estimate of domestic installed base; 112 million current-generation devices owned; DS & Wii top platforms.

As part of its annual earnings report today, game megaretailer GameStop revealed that nearly a quarter of its non-used business for the year came from Nintendo. It also revealed its estimates of the installed base of handhelds and consoles in the United States--a number that is over two-thirds of the country's 307 million-person population (as of July 2009).

GameStop believes 38.6 million DSs were sold in the US.

Citing "reports published by NPD Group," the industry-tracking firm that is the standard for US game sales, GameStop "believes that" over 220 million gaming handhelds and consoles have been purchased in the US as of December 2009. Of those, some 112 million are of the current generation of handheld and console hardware, which began in 2004 with the launch of the DS and 2005 with the Xbox 360's debut.

As the country is reminded every month when NPD releases its US sales figures, the DS remains the most popular platform to this day, having sold 38.6 million units domestically by GameStop's estimate. Coming in second is the handheld's console sibling, the Wii (released in 2006), with 27.1 million units. In third is the Xbox 360 with 18.6 million units, just ahead of the PSP (released in 2005) with 16.8 million units. Bringing up the rear is the PlayStation 3 with 11.1 million units sold since it launched in 2006, within days of the Wii's debut.

Though released a year after the Xbox 360, the Wii has sold nearly 10 million more units domestically, according to GameStop.

US CONSOLE & HANDHELD INSTALLED BASES (GameStop estimate)

Total consoles & handhelds: 220 million units

Current-generation consoles & handhelds: 112 million units

DS: 38.6 million units

Wii: 27.1 million units

Xbox 360: 18.6 million units

PSP: 16.8 million units

PlayStation 3: 11.1 million units

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Chief_Kuuni
Chief_Kuuni

I still don't have a wii, gonna get one eventually

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

@TC_Squared Unfortunately, it's the entire videogame related divisions. So both MS and Sony's figures will be a bit obscured by things like Zune and VAIO PC sales respectively. It's a shame that we can't get the videogame profits completely isolated, but that's just the way MS and Sony report their numbers. (At least Blu-Ray sales are reported in a separate division called B2B & Disc manufacturing.) Looking at the divisions where the videogame business is included is the best we can do. Precisely what is included in these divisions for MS and Sony respectively is listed in these links: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/rbach/ http://exophase.com/psp/stringer-shuffles-sony-management-hirai-helms-new-networked-services-group-focused-on-psn-expansion-10344.htm

TC_Squared
TC_Squared

@J0ker_JB, Do you know if the chart refers to just their video game/hardware sales, or EVERYTHING that applies to it? Because MS gains most of their profit from XBox Live. I assume Sony is currently gaining most of theirs from Blu-ray. Nintendo is the one who gains their profit directly from their video game related sales.

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

@TC_Squared Ok, now I see what you're referring to. You're looking at NET income when Psychotext's chart lists OPERATING income. Both terms are relevant but for slightly different reasons. The most important thing is that you use the same numbers for all when comparing different companies to each other. (And I believe all the numbers in the Psychotext's table concern operating income.)

Megavideogamer
Megavideogamer

I guess people like gaming, Or a least the current generation gaming devices have inspired people to start.

TC_Squared
TC_Squared

@J0ker_JB, Nevertheless, that's implying that during the first three quarters of the fiscal year, they made approximately $2.27 Billion, according to their own chart. Psychotext's chart would still be implying that they made an additional $3.42 Billion during the final quarter of the fiscal year alone. I have trouble believing that. Since those numbers don't seem to fit, I ask myself "How reliable is Psychotext's chart?"

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

@TC_Squared I see where the problem lies now. Unlike what one might think, fiscal years are not necessarily named by the year they start in or even have most of their months in, they can be often named by the year they end in. Nintendo's fiscal years run from April 1 to March 31, and FY 2009 in Psychotext's table means the fiscal year ending 2009, that is April 2008 through March 2009. From April 1 2008 through March 31 2009, Nintendo made $5.69 billion. Nintendo made ~$2 billion from April 1 2009 to December 31 2009, and these nine months consitute the first three quarters of the fiscal year ending March 31 2010. Accordingly, the ~$2 billion in question are listed by Psychotext as Y/E 10Q3. (First three quarters of fiscal year ending 2010.) What Nintendo made between January 1 2010 and March 31 2010 is not known yet (they plan to report this on May 6), but it will like you note almost certainly not be enough to make fiscal year ending 2010 (April 1 2009 to March 31 2010) match fiscal year ending 2009 (April 1 2008 to 31 March 2009). The confusion here is fully understandable, the way this system works is not very intuitive.

TC_Squared
TC_Squared

@J0ker_JB, No, I'm not confusing fiscal year for calender year. I'm pointing out the fact that for the fiscal year, April 1st to December 31st, they made 192,601,000,000 Yen, or $2 Billion dollars, according to their own report. Psychotext's home-made profit chart is claiming that they made $5.69 Billion that year. Do you honestly believe that they made $3.69 Billion from January 1st to March 31st (the slowest sales time of the year) when they only made $2 Billion over the other nine months (including the gift holidays) of the year? Unlike you, I require better citation before I believe anything.

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

@TC_Squared How can you claim that the numbers contradict the data in the reports when I JUST SHOWED YOU how they match the reports exactly? When you tried to claim that they didn't match, you confused fiscal years for calendar years. Do you understand the concept of fiscal years? And are you just going to keep switching focus everytime I prove you wrong? First you thought the figures referred to MS and Sony as a whole, then you claimed Nintendo's numbers were faulty because you confused fiscal year for calendar year, and now your angle is that there is no citation for the previous nine years? Really? These previous years aren't related to my point (we're discussing this generation here, not the older ones), but if you're interested you can find them here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13414874&postcount=398 Keep in mind though that when converting older numbers from yen to dollar, you need to look at the exchange rates from back then.

TC_Squared
TC_Squared

@J0ker_JB, Good point. If Psychotext's home-made profit chart says it, it must be true... even if the numbers differ from Sony's, Microsoft's and Nintendo's own reports... and there's absolutely no citation for the other 9 years listed on the chart.

Hippocampectomy
Hippocampectomy

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Rahnyc4
Rahnyc4

geirbiscohn mag is a horrible game and i can get mass effect 1 and 2 on my pc. theres still no reason to own both consoles, im sorry.

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

@TC_Squared: You're getting confused by comparing fiscal years with calendar years. Nintendo's operating income for the fiscal year 2009 (which runs from April 08 through March 09) was ~$5,7 billion. This is the number listed as Y/E 2009 in the post. Nintendo's operating profit from April 09 through December 09 (the first three quarters of the fiscal year 2010) was just over $2 billion. This is the numbers their report refers to as "Nine months ended Dec 31, '09" and the ones refered to by the post as Y/E 10Q3. (First three quarters of fiscal year ending 2010.) It's the same deal for 2008. You're looking at the numbers for April through December 08 while FY2008 means April 07 through March 08. Get it now, "genius"?

SadPSPAddict
SadPSPAddict

Interesting to see the PSP so close to the Xbox 360!! Would be interesting to see if the same trend is reflected in Europe and in Asia!?!? And yeah - just enjoy playing!

wondernova
wondernova

why is it that everyone seems to have an explanation or theory on why Sony have failed to hit the mark this gen? just accept the console hasnt sold as expected and enjoy the great games being released on it and every other console. as Flint247 said; "just play the games"

akiwak
akiwak

Gaming has now hit a sweet spot. Many devs have realized the most potential out of the systems. Prices have been reduced to a more affordable point. All systems are now selling at a profit, time to begin enjoying what gaming is all about and begin expanding the library of games. Win-win for all in the gaming industry and gamers. Lets hope that this wave continues and grows as prices begin to drop with a wider selection of games being released.

gabsponge
gabsponge

@MADDjoe I agree that there are many awesome japanese games, but do you think they would actually sell well? I mean look at Yakuza 3. An amazing game that has being a disappointment saleswise so far...

Krystyan68
Krystyan68

It's good to see the PS3 starting to give 360 a run for it's money. It's good for the industry and for gamers. But I think too little too late for Sony this gen. The wii & Ds are just ridiculous insane saleswise !!!

DamnedApples
DamnedApples

I know these numbers are off because there's no way they could know I owned an Xbox360. I hid it under my pillow--there's no way they could've known. Unfortunately the tooth fairy mistook it for a molar and only gave me a quarter for it...anyway, if any of you guys and gals would like to sell me your soul--for a quarter--then lmk, thanks.

Inconnux
Inconnux

Not surprising that the DS sold so many units... each member of my family has one. :)

MADDjoe
MADDjoe

If only sony would release half of the games that came out in other countries to the states I think sony would be doing a whole lot better than what it currently is. When I look for new games for the PSP most of the ones that look good are japanese only (same goes for ps3). Sub them and bring them to the states games will help system sells. For as long as the PSP has been out you think they start seeing how lot of people import games for it.

Hippocampectomy
Hippocampectomy

It's pointless to be using this information as the base of a console war anyway. The further east you go, the more PS3s are sold and the fewer Xbox360s. Notice the listing at the top of the page says "US"? I can imagine in the east these feuds are occurring and people are saying "But barely any Xbox360s have sold." :-) As Flint247 said, "Just play the games".

Flint247
Flint247

Who honestly cares if a console outsold another one? Just play the games, already!

TC_Squared
TC_Squared

@J0ker_JB Hey, genius, the Nintendo financial report you referred me to on http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100128e.pdf is listed in yen. The MS report is listed in dollars (obviously), and the Sony in dollars and yen. The current exchange rate is $1 = 93.46 Yen. Nintendo's net income at the end of '09, according to their report, was 192.6 Billion Yen, which equals approximately $2 Billion. Their net income at the end of '08 was 212 Billion Yen, which equals approximately $2.27 Billion. Nintendo's own report contradicts the numbers on http://neogaf.net/forum/showpost.php?p=19625436&postcount=90, which is listing the operating income for the companies, not net. Also, Nintendo's net income per share at end of '09 was 1.5 Billion Yen = $16 Million.

HyruleanLink
HyruleanLink

That doesn't even include sale numbers for other retailers!

2chase
2chase

I'm waiting for the engine upgrade to the Wii. Within the year. You all see how marketing for 3D televisions has boomed over the last month? Now, imagine 1 year from today. That entire year will be filled with 3D gaming hype, beyond the Nintendo 3DS. From my understanding, you need to have AT THE LEAST, an HD compatible gaming system in order to *one day* play a 3D game (For example, Sony will soon release a software update for the PS3, so you can play 3D games). The current state of the Wii has no potential for 3D gaming. Despite the NDS being the most popular console, Nintendo will need to do SOMETHING with their home console (Wii) line in order to keep up. Don't get left in the digital dust, Nintendo. I, for one, am sure you have something else up your sleeves.

bluedeathking
bluedeathking

I alway hate looking at figure like these due to the fact people usaully play who dick is bigger game. overall im proud of nintendo being back on top even if they had backstab the hardcore gamers for most of this generation. but when you compare the world sell by places you see that the US is the real reason 360 is on top which is shown here but this is a gamestop estimate so 360 could have sold a little more then what they expected. i just wish here would stop giving ps3 crap but i just see the flame war will worsten by next gen.

tmorri603
tmorri603

@Dark MetalSonic Every other place that game systems are sold that is not Japan or the US.

pokemondude2012
pokemondude2012

is that really hard to believe four versions of the ds is out and they are making a fith 1 ds 2 ds lite 3 dsi 4 dsi xl and soon to be 5 3ds

guertt
guertt

everytime I use the words, 360 better than ps3 lol fanboys are going crazy saying the ps3 is better and bla bla bla... I don't care if the ps3 have bigger engine or whatever. I trust my heart and its 100% on the 360 ;) also, when I want to speak to someone on my friend list, I don't have to brake is gaming experience, I just speak to him (while he is playing something else). got that ps3's guys???

Dark_MetalSonic
Dark_MetalSonic

@Barighm true, and ps3 vs xbox while nintendo sets and count the money

FlashCharge
FlashCharge

Man thats a lot of gamers and consoles. WOW!

Dark_MetalSonic
Dark_MetalSonic

@tmorri603 and whos other Terrotories your talking about? in europe mostly are ps3 and wii since they are not 24 hours gamers, and looks like you dont count the middle east consols sales, ps3 sold more than xbox or wii(its in second place in sales), and most FPS are played on pcs.

metal_militia89
metal_militia89

Going to avoid the fanboy war that's about to start. I'd rather just enjoy all of the great consoles out this gen.

imaidiot
imaidiot

All I have to say is I contributed 1 console purchased for each item on this list, and haven't looked back. Can't stop the fanboys (which means that mommy won't buy me the other one), but just buy them all, that way you have access to every good game, and won't have to waste time on a message board going back and forth about which system their mom bought for them is better.

The_J0ker
The_J0ker

@TC_Squared & Hippocampectomy Actually, all of those numbers concern the respective MS and Sony divisions where their videogame related profits are included. Just look at the sources. In fact, it should be obvious by just looking at the numbers that it's not the entire corporations that's being referred to. Microsoft overall is a ridiculously profitable company (they made $8.51 billion during the last quarter alone), while the Xbox business only relatively recently stopped posting red. Here's the linked Sony report: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/09q3_sony.pdf Look on the first page for overall operating income: $1.588 billion. Scroll down to page 4 and Networked Products and Services (this is where Sony's videogame business is included as of FY 2010 Q1, as noted in the post I linked to) for the videogame related profits: $211 million. (This is the number listed for the latest Sony quarter in the post I linked to.) Here's the MS report: http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/fy10/earn_rel_q2_10.mspx The overall operating income is listed in the first paragraph: $8.51 billion. Scroll down to the bottom for the Entertainment and Devices Division profits which were $375 million. (Again, the latest MS number listed in the table.) The Windows & Windows Live Division btw is their MOST profitable division, having made a profit of $5,394 billion in the last quarter. If you're seeing a $6,854 billion loss I think you're confusing loss for profit (negative numbers/losses are written within parentheses) and looking at the entire second half of 09 rather than just the last quarter.

steelmouth
steelmouth

x360 18 mil ps3 11 mil this generation is far from over there is still a big market to tab into lets see what natal and move will do to the numbers, i figure the hardcore market is almost done so the next battle is for the casual gamers, i have my money on natal

xXZak-ataKXx
xXZak-ataKXx

the casual market has this generation... Ive always been a hardcore gamer so i havent gotten the wii. and dont plan too. but congrats to the wii...cant wait for NATAL,and MOVE for my ps3 and 360

tmorri603
tmorri603

@Dark MetalSonic Terrotories are broken down into the US, Japan and other territories. The 360 is in third place in Japan. It is in second place in the other 2. Please, before you do any fanboy post, do some research first. Then you would have facts to stand on instead of what you think the way sales are going.

Arykuarius
Arykuarius

38.6 millions units.....wow it makes me make my own DS n sell, nintendo you sure know how to make money.

leeko_link
leeko_link

Nintendo had always being successful on the portable market so it's not surprising the Nintendo DS had dominate.

1337-ish
1337-ish

People argue over 360 and PS3 when the DS is selling more (I'm not sure about that) because they are for less casual gamers.

nate1222
nate1222

@Barighm Agreed. I own a Wii and a DSlite. I'd part with my Wii long before I'd part with my DSlite. I still think PS2 is a better gaming console than Wii, 360 or PS3 though. But, in terms of games and value per dollar spent, the DS is the clear winner this gen.

aboy1411
aboy1411

Parents buy the DS so their kids will stay quiet in the car! End of story. Wish they were out when I was a kid.......