$170 360 HD-DVD drive coming to Japan November 22?

Source: A recent story posted on popular gaming blog Kotaku. What we heard: At the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May, Microsoft took the wraps off its external HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360. Since then, the software behemoth has clarified several questions about the add-on. First up, it has...

Source: A recent story posted on popular gaming blog Kotaku.

What we heard: At the Electronic Entertainment Expo in May, Microsoft took the wraps off its external HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360. Since then, the software behemoth has clarified several questions about the add-on. First up, it has said the drive will be for movie playback only, meaning that, for now, games on the next-gen HD-DVD format will be a far-off possibility.

Secondly, Microsoft has claimed that the combined cost of the 360 console and the HD-DVD drive will be less than that of the PlayStation 3, which sports an internal Blu-ray Disc drive. The PS3 comes in two models--a $499 20GB-hard-drive-equipped version with no HDMI video output and a souped-up, 60GB-hard-drive equipped edition, which goes for $599. By that calculus, Microsoft could sell the 360 HD-DVD drive for as much as $299 if it were using the $299 core Xbox as the "cheaper" benchmark--or as little as $199, were it to use the premium $399 360 as the point of reference. It could also go for as little as $99, were it to use the premium $399 360 and the bare bones PS3 as the point of reference.

Now, word has emerged out of Japan that the 360 HDD will be on the cheaper side. According to Kotaku, sources in Tokyo's Shibuya shopping district have learned that Microsoft will start selling the 360 HD-DVD add-on for around 20,000 yen on November 22. The price means that the add-on will likely go for around $199 in the US, given the exchange rate and previous pricing schemes for game consoles in Japan and the US.

The official story: "We have nothing to announce at this time."--Microsoft rep.

Bogus or not bogus?: [UPDATE] Not bogus. This has since been confirmed at Microsoft's pre-Tokyo Game Show press briefing.

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mariokart64fan
mariokart64fan

meh blue ray aint gonna succeed itl be like psps umd movies

gskehans97
gskehans97

HD is Great...But do everyone now have a HDTV yet???...I know i don't. a reg dvd/dvd player is perfect for me, mite not be perfect pic/sound...But it does the job...and xbox360 does the job of giveing me perfect entertainment gameing!

osxgp
osxgp

Will games be made for it??? If not, who cares.

_Sam_
_Sam_

oh, so it's true

jackdan869
jackdan869

Its just an upgrade people. its optional. these sony fanboys get all worked up about the cost. if you dont own a 360 then you shouldnt care. Like people have said blu-ray and hd-dvd are not the standard yet. personally i think hd-dvd will be the standard becasue its a familiar name. people that arent technology savy will go with what they know. My only thing is i wish microsoft would have had the brains to create a pull out drive just like on a PC. it shoulda been a no brainer for them. so then instead of being and upgrade add on it would become a true upgrade. Hell if they wanted to revolutionize the gameing world they could have made allot fo things more similar to a computer so they could constantly stay ahead of any other next gen system.

Diablo2343
Diablo2343

Also if I am reading what the price is going to be in Japan, roughly $170 in conversion, why are they saying it will be $199 in the US? Japan is already having a price drop for the 360 b/c it's not selling.

Diablo2343
Diablo2343

Well, for those who are comparing prices of the 360 vs PS3, the HD drive is not REQUIRED to play games. A lot of people could care less about HD vs Blu-Ray at this time. Kinda of like the whole Beta vs VHS thing. I am going to sit back and see who wins that battle. Either way, the prices will come down on either player. In the mean time, I'll be playing my $399 Xbox 360.

PhoenixBurner2
PhoenixBurner2

I understand that from a consumer standpoint it may seem that having the option to upgrade is preferable to purchasing a more expensive, standardized system, but history and developers have shown that this is not the case. Can anyone name a console add-on that has succeeded with such widespread popularity that developers regularly made games for it? Take the 32X, SegaCD, N64 expansion pack, PS2 drive - all had games developed that took advantage of these features, but the success was nowhere near that of the main console. Developers are then left with a choice: to create a game that is limited by the original hardware configuration but appeals to a much broader market or to create a game using an upgraded configuration but with much a much smaller possible market. The choice, historically, has been to appeal to a broad market base at the loss of features, game length, and graphics. All that said, the article states that the possibility of this drive being used for gaming is a "far-off possibility." We should not, therefore, think of this add-on as one used for gaming, and comparisons between it and the PS3's drive, in reference to gaming, are nonsensical at this point in time. Those looking for this to level the playing field between the Blue Ray format for PS3 and the DVD format for the XBOX 360 may be dissappointed. For now, at least.

messin18
messin18

Doesn't mean PS3 is a better deal at all. It all depends on what you want. If you were going to ge a blue ray player 100% for sure in the next few months then yes. PS3 is a great deal. However there are probably a VERY small % of people that fall under this category.

ciryorel
ciryorel

Yep. That means Ps3 is the better deal.

snake3rules
snake3rules

incubus, did you even read the article? CHEAPER was the word used over and over, in case you missed it. And "better games"? What exactly are you talking about? Last time I checked 360 is going to have every game the PS3 has, plus the stable of games released over the last year.

messin18
messin18

Cuase 1080p is alot better than 480i (current dvd res). Thats more than double the resolution. On a 50" hdtv with 1080p like i have it's a no brainer to get this $170 upgrade. Especially when i can get the hd-dvd movies from netflix in a few months.

slothboyck
slothboyck

so this will be good for all those HD-DVD movies out there? Seriously, why are people going to buy this?

messin18
messin18

Wow $170 is cheap! I wasn't going to touch the hd-dvd or blue ray players for a long time but for $170 i think i might just pick this up. Also heard 360 develoeprs will ship some future games with both formats and you'll get extra content on the hd-dvd disk. Very cool

Superheroretard
Superheroretard

To compare the top of the line PS3 with the top of the line 360 is unfair. The correct comparison would be the top of the line 360 at a price of $399.99 with the lower cost PS3 model for $499.99 which is only a $100.00 difference. They both come with a wireless controler, 20gb HDD, and no HDMI. So to Compare the higher costing PS3 $599.99 which come with a 60 gig HDD, Memory card reader, and HDMI is like I said unfair. So if the HD-DVD is released in the US at the same price of $170.00 and you buy that along with only comparable 360 model at a price of $399.99 you are paying $569.99. Seventy dollars more than the compareable PS3 and only $30.00 less than a PS3 with an HDD and HDMI upgrade.

ElementalFire
ElementalFire

I'm gonna hold off on buying a 360 till I know for sure that the 2nd gen 360's will or will not have built-in HD-DVD drives.

kevin73166
kevin73166

Most of us already own a Xbox 360 and getting a HD-DVD drive a year later for $200 sounds like a better deal than paying $600 all at once for a Playstation 3. I don't like the fact that Sony is trying to force Blue-Ray down our throats. Blue-Ray could turn out like Sony's PSP UMD movies did. We all know where the support for that is now. Buying a HD-DVD drive for your Xbox 360; is like buying an upgrade for your computer; you buy it when you are ready or need it. I don't have much interest in buying a HD-DVD drive yet, because I don't have the TV for it , the movies cost too much and most of the movies stink that are out. I hope Microsoft will make this drive able to load games in the future or we may be looking at multiple DVDs with some games in the future. The thing I want the most right now for my Xbox 360 is a bigger hard drive.

Yuck_Too
Yuck_Too

--UmonDaisuke-- You are wrong on almost every point you made. You do not need HDMI for 1080p output. The only reason you did was because it supported the DHCP and ICT. As for DVD's they are only single sided. Several actually have 4:3 on one side and 16:9 on the other. Or in the case of TV serries multi-episodes on both sides.

ewjim
ewjim

Even if it's not a rumor - WHO NEED IT??? :lol:

faizali86
faizali86

dont understand why its being released in japan first

thekey
thekey

Even though I could careless about an HD DVD add on. I hope it succeeds, so that it could keep the Sony fanboys nervous.

shizwill03
shizwill03

200 bucks. Not a bad price for new technology...and a kick in the gonads for Sony. Sort of.

Drudaddy
Drudaddy

people are comparing the price to = the ps3 but guess what your all wrong, because when the price drops spring 07 it will be cheaper by $100

e1viento
e1viento

LOL @ the people who say at least they have a choice... It is a rather base argument justifying what they currently own... unable to come to grips with reality which is:...Yes, everyone DOES have a choice...either you buy what you like, or you don't. And no one is 'forcing anyone'... I take that back.. if the two parties who developed HD-DVD and Blu-Ray collaborated with each other to bring US the consumers a single format.. this whole ridiculous scenario coupled with rampant fanboyism would not have surfaced AT ALL.... and we would not be FORCED into choosing a stupid format. I love Sony products (get that.. products, not the company)... however.. I blame Toshiba AND Sony for creating this mess. In the end, we the consumers will suffer. .

2TrickedOut
2TrickedOut

The addon is cheaper then buying a regular HDdrive and it works as a hub with 2 usb ports for the 360. I think its a fair price and option. I don't see bluray taking off right away. Its to far from being a standard. some people don't even own dvd players yet so its not like there will be a huge market for blueray right away. Movies on the 360 with an Hdtv already look great so this is not a needed addon for most.

e1viento
e1viento

Raptor-DP It's bull***t to the max.. ----------------------------------------- Read your entire post...I agree 100%. It is bull to the max, and Sony and Toshiba should have brokered a deal. If not for the money hungry nature of corporations, we the consumers would not have to suffer.

JahRage
JahRage

Its probably an easy decision for me. I WILL buy an HD player soon, that has nothing to do with gaming. HD looks better. If you cant see that, you may need glasses. Of the two formats the hd-dvd is the cheaper option(stand alone player) and the xbox add on is even cheaper still. $200 for HD DVD sounds good to me. Non wastus, Diem Est.

teknocack
teknocack

You know what? Here's the deal guys: If you have a 360, and want to watch movies in true high definition,..........for less than four hundred dollars!! ($400 is about the current lowest price for an HD-DVD player at retail), then buy this add on. Stand-alone HD players will not be that price until next year or the year after that. Blu-ray players won't be that price for an additional year after that at least!! To me, this seems like a good opportunity for a lot of people. To me, it also sounds better to have an external drive to play movies than to have to use my main drive to perform that task. Hey, if I'm gonna spend $600 on a game system then I want it to spend it's useful life playing games, and not playing Conan the Barbarian, the Directors Cut. Even now with my Xbox and my 360 able to play DVD movies, I still use my JVC DVD player to play them for the aforementioned reason. In my opinion, the only thing that including DVD playback in the PS2 and the Xbox did, was put DVD players in kids rooms. Did DVD need this to survive,.....no. Did PS2 gain market share because of the feature,......possibly, but not a great percentage(this is actually speculation and reasoning on my part, and in no way, fact). Remember that PS2 was a "big kids" toy and probably didn't get into little brother or sisters anxious paws except as a hand me down. Also, PS2 was primarily a game system, and not a movie player. Playing movies is merely a 'feature' of the system and in no way intetgral to it's success as a game platform. Sony would have sold just as many systems even if they didn't have DVD playback. As Nintendo used to say, "The name of the game, is games", and PS2 always had that. Microsoft has attempted to take advantage of the looming format war to take a side with little to no consequences to the company. If HD-DVD fails, then MS will have sold hardware of this type at a profit for the first time in their existence(and believe you me, they 'are' making money off this peripheral. If HD-DVD succeeds then they will have added a low cost 'optional' reason to buy a 360 which,might, at that time period in HD-DVD's life cycle, be an enormous boon to killing Blu-Ray for good. Also, MS will benefit from the proliferation of HD-DVD, which might just in turn sell Xbox360s. I think they may even have their sights set on aquiring movie stuidios and such to gain a presence in other areas of consumer media. Beware Sony, someone else has the same plan as you! Just a different approach:) Either way, it's gonna be fun to watch!!

PS24EVR
PS24EVR

Well to the person who stated that BluRay is not Backwards Compatible they are but the Studios need to choose that option. The First Layer would be DVD and the Second would be HD. Also The Smount of Space Needed for HD Content it is necessary to have 50Gb to hold HD Content and the Extras that we are fond of. I am not a Fan Boy but I admit I own both a PS2 and a 360. I will buy a PS3 if I can get my hands on one, I will also Buy a Wii. But for Me having a 60inch Sony XBR 1080P TV the BluRay I have seen at my local Circuit City is Incredible in detail granted I have only seen it on the Samsung TV and Player but it looked great. I may also buy a BluRay Player by itself but the PS3 will give me what I want for half the cost. The Amount of Space Available on the BDRom Disc is Great for Games Giving you Larger Maps More of the HD Realistic Content in the Game, Different Enemies Different textures more of Everything that will give you more of a realistic Impression. Just my Opinion. Joe

K1LLSWITCH
K1LLSWITCH

If Microsoft doesn't intend to use the external HD-DVD drive for games, then what is the point of picking one up? If a peripheral doesn't benefit the games then why are we willing to shell out extra cash, again, for something that will most likely be useless in the future because of not having the support of games? Also what is wrong with the DVD drive already installed onto the 360 for us to buy another ROM drive for DVD playback?

It sounds to me that Microsoft is trying to sell this device as if we need it, in which we don't. If people are complaining about the price of the PS3, they need to reconsider they're priority's if considering picking up this device.

kenbub1
kenbub1

A $499 system with an Internal bluray/hd-dvd is way cooler than a system with an external drive. Cool factor considered, I'll take a premium 360 + hd-dvd drive for $449 please.

tartar23
tartar23

No Complaints about the price - ever , charge me a $500 for the HD-DVD drive , but plz , make it a gameplay worthy one . I don wanna spend even 1$ on some add-on that enhances movie playback , I will spend a 100$ on cables just to get a better HD . Right now with the dual-layer DVD it is possible to pack maximum 9.5 GB of data - which is not enough for really hi-res & content worthy game , but the HD-DVD can pack 15GB+15GB data (max) - games would be much much better if M$ took benefit of that , think - we would get more depth in games .

OmegaArchetype
OmegaArchetype

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OmegaArchetype
OmegaArchetype

Well I read a comparison between the two formats and HD-DVD was the better of the two, though not by much, but it doesn't matter to me I don't have a 360 yet, and it'll be awhile before I get a PS3, and by that time both consoles will be cheaper.

grnidbandit
grnidbandit

Bronson2k3 That's not true Incubus420. How can u say that bunch of crap when you won't get your grubs on a crapstation 3 unless you have $1500+ to blow till the middle of next year. Sony and there blu-ray suck and will fail in their conquest just like beta-max did vs. vhs.-----------------------------------------------------------------Whoa where did you get $1500 tag from, maybe thats how much you pay for your games

Atomic_Mutant
Atomic_Mutant

$200.00 is certainly cheaper than what a MSRP for a standalone HD DVD player is going for right now (regardless of all other perks that one can get from the standalone player, like updated connectivity, remote, etc.)...it is an add on that allows more functionality, and it is quite different from the other peripherals in the past in that for what it intends to do, it will garner some support, such as from some film studios, just as Blueray is ready to tap into the vault of Sony Pictures and its subsidiaries' archives. HD-DVD add on is to play movies, not play tech demos exclusive on it... But I don't understand how some userbase will be left out even if MS does decide to expand HD-DVD format to include gaming. They can very well release two versions, one for the DVD and another for HD version, which is quite similar to how PC gaming utilized the CD/DVD format dichotomy, which essentially combined the number of discs comprising the game content into one. Besides, using these new formats for gaming purpose will be quite expensive, to the extent of incurring 5 to 10% premium to already bloated prices...we are waiting for the prices to GO DOWN, right? Not that PS3 will only be compatible with Blueray format...it's got to play PS2 games also! I would not be surprised if some of the games at the initial phase of the launch, if not far past its release, would still use the compatible & venerable DVD format...all that theoretical capped capacity for Blue Ray won't be used for a while as far as gaming is concerned, unless it is Final Fantasy we are talking about, with all its HD CGI cutscenes...

muscrat_01
muscrat_01

Screw 'choice', the 360 in two years time will have games on multiple disk's (higher prices, more inconvieniance?), and compressed textures and audio; Oblivion was the first victim - thats why it was only 4.5gb, result muddy textures, and not great audio (Test Drive is over 7, no heavy compression like Oblivion). Im glad Sony has stuck with Blu Ray; I couldent care less about movies, but the extra space is a dev's dream, and there spreading Blu Ray players, so when little timmy wants a PS3, and timmy's dad wants a High Def player, they can opt for the PS3; that has HDMI. Its just like DVD player in the PS2. When it came out, it was said that no one would ever use that much space on a disk. Now look what morons those people were :P Seriosuly though $200 for a HD DVD drive for the 360, that dosent haev HDMI..... If I owned a 360, id only use it for games, and buy a player on its own. Has anyone seen the 360's DVD playback quality.... Jeeesh, they really went stingy in that department, so i wouldent expect great things from the HD DVD player, and for that matter the PS3 Blu Ray aswell.....

joeamis
joeamis

I predicted a price of $179-$199, when I first heard MS would be making it. Good to hear!

sussexj
sussexj

I really dont care wich format is gonna "win" in the future. That wont be determined for year anyway. Since I have a plasma, im interested in takin advantage of HD movie playback, which is why ill eventually get a Ps3. Id rather have movie playback from a sony system than a microsoft system. And Blu Ray is just more capable than HD-DVD.

RahKayne
RahKayne

MOST PEOPLE HAVE DVD PLAYERS ANYWAYZ SO THAT DOESN"T MATTER if Blu ray goes under the games will still be coming out for PS3 in them.

WillowZeroOne
WillowZeroOne

Ok, so you get a 360 + HD-DVD = $598 or a PS3 = $599 now the ps3 comes with wireless in-built so add the cost of the wireless dongle for the 360 and the ps3 is suddenly looking like an attractive deal, providing that you actually want or can benefit from HD video. It all comes down to preference and how much you are willing to spend for the 'extra' features that aren't really contributing to the actual gameplay, or quality.

Rabbi_Gamer
Rabbi_Gamer

Japanese people are so lucky to get this. I hope they don't take it for granted.

2fistsintheair
2fistsintheair

I can't wait to get this thing! I just don't understand why so many are dogging it. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I mean, I'm sticking with the 360 only, but I don't hope that the PS3 or Wii fail. I just like the 360's games alot better. Can't we all just get along? : )

DiscGuru101
DiscGuru101

Dont forget, we are all going to want a HD and or Blu-Ray burner for our PC's after that. Maybe even a USB connecting one? =D

Darth_Tigris
Darth_Tigris

I will never understand why people are fanboys about these stupid formats. The reviews are out: HD-DVD is MUCH cheaper and the picture quality is better. Why would you as a consumer turn away from THAT product and support Blu Ray instead??? I will never, ever understand the mind of a fanboy. Anyway, as someone that already owns a 360 (12/22/05), this doesn't seem like a bad deal because I can look at it as a $200 or less HD-DVD player. Now if you haven't already bought a 360, yeah I could understand how you would look at the combined price and think the PS3 was a better deal. But since you don't HAVE to buy this, then technically that's a non-issue. Its all about the games, folks, not about the movies. Remember that.

Bathyj
Bathyj

Umm. sorry about the multiple post above. Stupid Fingers !

sigma8
sigma8

Combined...less than the PS3.. But geeze, not by much. If the drive is $199 like they suggest, the cheaper xbox360 would be $500 with the drive. The $399 xbox360 would be $599 with the drive. So, um, actually that's only less by one dollar.. The 360 will probably have a price cut by then, but still, it's going to really narrow the gap...

cypher50
cypher50

osxgp - "It wasn't all that great. The human eye can only see so much. Not worth the price considering the difference in resolution. Yeah, I know you enthusiast will complain, but I don't care. Face the facts." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Face the facts? You can't take your own small opinion about HD just from seeing one display in Circuit City and make a statement that there is no discernable difference...I've had HDTV for 3 years now and had many people buy an HD setup after they said the same type of "factual" statements you make. Movies are a bad example because they are usually not designed for HDTV...watching sports or newscasts recorded in HDTV is absolutely amazing and channels like Discovery HD really show how much of a difference there is between standard digital & HD. If you want to say that you still aren't willing to buy HD because of price or just because you still aren't interested in content then that is one thing but don't give asinine statements about how there is no difference.