1080p for all? Performance gap between Xbox One and PS4 is fading away, Oddworld dev says

"I think they're getting comparable," Lorne Lanning says.

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Right now, more high-profile games run in 1080p on PlayStation 4 than Xbox One, but the performance gap between the two competing systems is narrowing, according to Oddworld creator Lorne Lanning. Speaking with Xbox360Achievements, Lanning said the two consoles are "getting comparable."

"So I would say, months ago, there was a wider gap," Lanning said. "Part of it was the development systems." Lanning explained that he often heard developers lament that it took "twice as long" in some cases to get assets on Xbox One compared to PS4.

But as developers have gotten accustomed to the Xbox One and its development architecture, they are learning how to better take advantage of the system to maximize its potential, Lanning said.

"We're hearing and seeing that that curve is getting closer," Lanning said. "I think they've been improving the toolset really fast, improving the development environment, and shaving that curve down… I think they're getting comparable."

Lanning described the PS4 as an "amazing" system, from a technical standpoint, but pointed out that Sony's console and the Xbox One are now closer than ever before.

"I have to say, the PlayStation 4 has been pretty amazing and that's where we've been spending a lot of our time," he said. "But I don't see a huge gap like there used to be. There used to be a significant gap."

Lanning and developer Oddworld Inhabitants are currently working on an Oddworld: New 'n Tasty remake for the PS4. The studio is speaking with Microsoft about a potential Xbox One version to be published through ID@Xbox, and if this does happen, Lanning said he doesn't expect there will be major differences in resolution or performance between the PS4 and Xbox One versions.

Lanning is an outspoken industry veteran, who most recently made headlines for saying Electronic Arts' multiplayer shooter Battlefield 4 shipped with "dirt all over it." He went on to express his dissatisfaction for the AAA game market, saying "F**k that business."

Eddie Makuch is a news editor at GameSpot, and you can follow him on Twitter @EddieMakuch
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1003 comments
Diernes
Diernes

The hilarious thing about this article is it is misquoted, he didn't say this at all, he actually said the opposite. there is no closing of the gap and if you go by this logic it can also be applied to the ps4 development meaning things will get better on both platforms ultimately the gap remains the same and will probably be even more apparent over time as developers get mastery over the ps4 hardware

Dasim64
Dasim64

So basically he's saying that developers have learned to cut corners on the XB1 so that they can run at 1080 so they look like they don't have a disadvantage over the PS4. But this is just window dressing because it's an undeniable fact that the PS4 has better hardware. So unless the XB1 has somehow magically been upgraded then what he's talking about is cutting back here and there in order to post consumer friendly numbers. That isn't really bringing XB1 games up to the same level as PS4 games. 

Aengelus
Aengelus

They're forgetting the fact that the PS4 has more raw power than the Xbox One, that's not going to change. You can update the software to better utilize the hardware, but any performance update could also be achieved on the PS4 with a similar update thus maintaining the gap. Plus, how can so many developers claim they don't know how to program for x86 architecture properly and that they're just now figuring it out?

jimmy_russell
jimmy_russell

Hardware is unchangeable. Sure, you can update software to utilize the hardware in different ways, but the PS4 will always be superior to the Xbox One regardless of any software updates. Is anyone really this stupid? These fluff pieces are getting annoying, I might just ignore everything Microsoft and their constituents say from now on.

thebastardsword
thebastardsword

Sure... It is possible to take a game and make it run the same on both systems, but lets be honest, that's welfare gaming.


Pretty much if both versions of any game will run at 1080p, and same frame rate, on both the Xbox 1 and Ps4...

Then the developers are not taking full advantage of the PS4s hardware with the software. It would be lowering graphical details in order to give the illusion that the Xbox 1 is up to par, though its not technically too far behind the ps4 spec wise, the fact that 10% of the graphics processing power is reserved for the kinect means developers would have to be short changing the PS4 version by that 10% and then some more to make up for the gap in hardware specs in order to get the games to look and run the exact same on both systems..

In short any game running at 1080p 60 fps with the same exact graphics, was either optimized for the weaker system, or  it just never had great graphics to begin with.  It would be like porting a last gen game to both consoles with no graphical upgrade whatsoever and saying "WOW 1080p finally".  

Why try to mask it?  That would be shady of any 3rd party dev to try, and earn them an instant boycott from me.  It's like saying "Hey we know you can have a better looking game on your PS4, and that's why you waited months to get your system, but these poor XB1 kids don't got any 1080p games that look as good as the PS4 port so we have to lessen your experience on PS4 so they don't have to feel left out". 

I just hope most 3rd party developers do not think most gamers are too dumb to figure this out.

failrunner
failrunner

And my nvidia gt 640 is actually magically becoming as powerful as a titan. Lol.

nhall00195
nhall00195

the gap will never close...while they get better at xbone, the also get better at ps4. It's that simple

nhall00195
nhall00195

then it's lucky I'm loaded and don't care about the $$

crymore_noob
crymore_noob

but there still is a gap, a gap that never will disappear.. Besides, PS4 is cheaper than Xbox one. A motion sensor camera? I don't use it anyways. 

Depresso
Depresso

All these comments are pointless as games is what sells consoles. The future will tell which machine has the best, right now there's sod all in both of them !

torreth1
torreth1

You see, you can obviously tell who the fanboys are because they will take a reputable game developer and call him a liar simply for saying something they dont like. As if they'd know precisely how the power of these machines work. I'd say it is far more likely that its true that both these systems are going to perform the same, than for the gap to widen as developers start putting both through their paces. That said, as an owner of both consoles, even a  small graphical advantage keeps me selecting my PS4 for multiplats. It will take more than evening out the power differences between the two systems to make gamers think twice about which one to get. This article also makes me think the game developers simply had more enjoyment developing on the PS4 calling it "amazing". At the first product announcement reveal for the PS4 I remember they shown various game studios saying how much they like working on it. The devs working on X1 games havent done that to my knowledge. Reading this article makes me feel like as soon as the right tools are available there wont be much performance disparity at all anyway, but it does show you what can happen when you make developers work too hard. It has created the Resolution Wars and damaged the appearance of the hardware design .

Ayato_Kamina_1
Ayato_Kamina_1

More click-bait from the Makuch troll.


And I've seen the screens for oddworld... whilst it looks great compared to the original game it hardly looks particularly taxing on a system. About as much as Rayman's legends was... and that thing was running fine on the Wii U :p

Leeric420
Leeric420

Another Microsoft paid add, move along.

Aphyosemion
Aphyosemion

Performance gap between Xbox One and PS4 is fading away, Oddworld dev says.  Dev also says that Bigfoot was last seen flying a UFO into the Bermuda Triangle.

mikemaj82
mikemaj82

Well there may not be much of a performance gap, but with the PS4 almost 3M units ahead, there sure as hell is a sales gap lol

Ghost3436
Ghost3436

What happens when devs learn tricks for ps4? Gap widens again. And I'm not on a fanboy thing here bit if the devs have already started trying to find ways to push the x bone that' not good. Where's the longevity? I imagine they are still using raw power from ps4......dam

senjutsu
senjutsu

LOL, yeah they'll get used to the esram lame trick, but it won't help the xbo that much. The PS4 doesn't only have faster memory speed, it has 50% more graphics cores (18 instead of 12) on the same exact graphics card... It's the reverse situation that will happen I'd say. 1st they couldn't use the esram at all as they didn't have much time to play with it before shipping the launch games, now the gap narrows, but later the gap with get huge again as the devs will use the full potential of both consoles...  

the_specialist4
the_specialist4

Not sure why everyone is talking about performance numbers, GPU speed etc. This article isn't about that. Its saying that Xbox developers are getting comfortable with the development process. Hardware wise the PS4 is an absolute juggernaut of a console but if done games are developed well for the Xbox the differences in the final product will be minimal. 

megakick
megakick

Sony been blowing SMOKE since 1999.

Lykanthropie
Lykanthropie

1080p doesnt say anything about the quality, i can play mario bros in a higher resolution and it simply won't be any better then PS4 or Xone now ...

wa128
wa128

In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king...


come on guys... ps4 sucks donkey balls as well.... 


I haven't played games in 1080p for years... Been using 2560x1440, its way better. 



Stop buying this console crap and support the pc platform so that even more games come to pc!

nhall00195
nhall00195

and my $4000 rig will own your old PC...not the point. The article is about xbone catching the PS4...which will NEVER happen.

zoopsat
zoopsat

@Dasim64  The average Joe won't know or care about this and it will end up being the say way it was for last gen. PS3 exclusives look great but multiplaform look the same on all consoles. 

incredibilistic
incredibilistic

@Dasim64  Exactly. Like somehow the Xbox One got faster, better RAM overnight just because of some fancy coding. 


I'd be more interested to know if the install process is any faster for the XB1 than it was at launch. When the consoles first launched the XB1 was taking an average of 10 minutes to install a game to the HDD before it was ready to play while the PS4 was ready in about 40 seconds... or less. That's a HUGE disparity between the two consoles. 


http://ps4daily.com/2013/11/ps4-install-times-fast/

Shooter747
Shooter747

@jimmy_russell No, but we are not as stupid as you. Performance is achieved by both software and hardware. Software is a critical factor in performance. Say, use Windows XP on PS4 and Windows 8 x64 on Xbox one, will PS4 still have better performance?

If MS can take advantage more of the hardware because of its software, then Xbox one will have better performance. Besides, the hardware spec difference between PS4 and X1 is not that significant. If both consoles output  the same spec for a game, hardware superiority is irrelevant.

light_spartan
light_spartan

@thebastardsword  I agree for the most part, but xbox has already let the devs choose to not use the kinect meaning that cpu would be freed up of the kinect. They've talked about that plus the devs are trying to get more acquainted with ES-Ram. Which they are learning very quickly that its much faster than they thought. Beside if a game is for both X1 and PS4 it wont matter cuz the graphics and everything will be the same soon. Because the consoles excel in different areas we only be able to see a true different between exclusives, which is hard to judge games they are completely different.

Xmus942
Xmus942

@failrunner  

Yeah, cause that's totally a valid comparison. Nice job Einstein. 

auntyt
auntyt

@failrunner  Does your nvidia gt 640 run Titanfall on it's own or do you need the other bits as well?

zoopsat
zoopsat

@nhall00195  right but you won't even get to see how much better PS4 is but on their exclusives. The multiplatform will look the same, exactly like what happened this last gen. 

Xmus942
Xmus942

@nhall00195  

You can either tell the future, or you're a complete idiot. Gee, I wonder which it is. 

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

Hows about loading off a few $$$ to me.

light_spartan
light_spartan

@crymore_noob  Oh and you use the touch pad? Its just easier to say "i need a medic" instead of pulling up a menu. Stuff like that is also a really useful thing about the kinect man. Beside PS4 originally had camera bundled until they saw the uproar about xbox's


mashuu7
mashuu7

True. Look at the ps2, weaker than the Xbox and GC, but it had more games. Though personally, I loved my GameCube. The 360 is also weaker than the ps3, it only took up until last year for the ps3 to outsell it. It's all about the games. I love gaming, so hopefully developers soon take more advantage of the ps4 and xb1. We should all just be about the games.

Xmus942
Xmus942

@Leeric420  

Yeah, I'm sure you have tons of evidence to back of this accusation. You aren't just emitting diarrhea of the mouth because you're a biased, idiotic little fanboy are you? 

Depresso
Depresso

you obviously can't read, he said the the PS4 is an amazing machine, what more do you want, they are not even developing for the xbox right now. It's hard to please some people. Maybe you wanted him to say there can only one machine ! The PS4. Come on, he is not going to say that, the xbox ones also a great machine, does that worry you ? It shouldn't.

auntyt
auntyt

@mikemaj82  You get your figures from VGChartz? Stop believing what you read.

mos2000
mos2000

@mikemaj82 On the flip side Xbone has sold more games/software, which means it's bringing in more revenue (less investment on consoles sold; more money on revenue from software sold)


Both have their own advantage so far - too early to tell who is a "winner"

light_spartan
light_spartan

@Ghost3436  Well if they had full access to Ps4 power in the beginning then doesn't necessarily mean they will find anything. Also keep in mind that X1 just freed the kinect from the cpu (if chosen by dev) and esram hasnt really been used yet. So i imagine they will become even or to close to tell someday.

mos2000
mos2000

@senjutsu On paper that looks impressive and to those who know no better thinks that equates to 50% more graphical potential.  It doesn't.  The benchmark equivalents for both GPU's are fairly close.  Plus they both sport the same sh--Jaguar cores in the CPU.


Out the box - slight advantage graphically for PS4 to the naked eye, with a heavy emphasis on "slight"

jimmy_russell
jimmy_russell

@wa128 Newsflash, only 1% of the population can afford a high-end gaming PC. Get a grip on reality, not everyone has rich parents.

wa128
wa128

@nhall00195  Buying a 4000 dollar pc is just stupid



You are better off buying one for a 4th of that price and update it once in a while... Your 4000 dollar rig will be outdated in a year...



Leeric420
Leeric420

@bluefox755  Further proof Gamespot takes money from M$, and more than likely others...

nhall00195
nhall00195

@Xmus942 @nhall00195  So you're a whiny little bitch that purchased an xbone? Now you're on the ït'll get better with time and some fairy dust' band wagon...

mikemaj82
mikemaj82

@auntyt @mikemaj82 Ummm why? The last time Gamespot ran an article on PS4/XB1 sales from NPD it matched VGChartz exactly.

SIDEFX1
SIDEFX1

Nah he is right. It might not be 50% but it is sub. It is not the difference it makes now but it the long run and the ever lasting run, PS4 has the edge and that is what is was built on. Right now games won't make a difference. But these game gen consoles will only mature gamers.

mos2000
mos2000

@robotxander @wa128Actually no - Most console owners do NOT have a gaming rig.  The quality between the two is astronomical.  To assert this would imply that most console owners have multiple machines they routinely use - they don't.  If most console gamers not only were familiar with current PC gaming and had only system to invest into, especially at the beginning of a new console gen, it would be a PC.


With that said it is more fair to say most PC gamers have a console too.  That would be true.  Consoles do have their benefits as well.  The majority of PC gamers are more versed with system capabilities, and realize that not just one system is going to suit all of their gaming needs (online friends, multiplat exclusives)


Lastly - wth does being able to fit your pc "under" your tv have to do with anything???  Simply running an HDMI cord from your GPU to your tv is an option.  Also my rig just lays on the side under my tv.  I can control it with my smart phone (Unified Remote) or my Gamepad (Pinnacle Game Profiler).  


There's no difference in convenience as far as placement of a console over a pc

torreth1
torreth1

@Leeric420 @bluefox755 You just want it to be that way. Devs have been saying since these consoles were announced in specs that they were extremely similar in architecture. Did you really believe the devs wouldnt learn how to use the boxes power better as time went by?