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  • Feb 1, 2013 12:24 pm GMT
    1.) Actually I do. Which is why inside the alien makes no sense. The alien has concentrated sulfuric acid for blood I believe, however any acid of that concentration would dissolve DNA pretty quickly. Psst we do this all the time to get DNA fragments... Which is great, unless of course you want DNA to exist in a usable form.

    It makes far more sense, that the alien is more akin to a virus that constructs itself by hijacking the hosts cells and buildign itself that way. This also makes a far better explanation of why the DNA's mix in the first place and also why they could find some "cells" containing mixed DNA. Also why they position themselves where they do, the central most point in the human body with access to almost all chemical exchange points and types of cells.

    Your version of the alien would be like AvP 2. Where in aliens would burst out of women only.

    2.)Yes most of the movie is her cowering in the armored vehicle. Well until she kills more aliens than any other marine (well except for maybe vasquez/drake), she manages to wipe out an entire clutch of eggs, run away from aliens chasing her, then kill the queen solo, and then of course somehow perform a climb up a ladder while the vaccuum of space pulls items 3-5x her weight out with it. She was uber in Aliens. Even at the time she was declared a female super hero.

    Lets not forget constructed and carrying a super death gun. using them all proficiently, knowing how to navigate a labrythinine of corridors, and getting ridiculously lucky.

    The only thing added in this one was her acid for blood, which was odd, but that's the route they wanted to go.

    3.)You realize you proved my point by posting that the aliens did indeed kill people when they needed to right? Which depends on the canon your using, but basically anytime the queen thought it was neccesary. Which could be revenge oriented, she showed that level of thought in Aliens for example.

    Also the head bite can only result in death. Here fun experiment get a jack hammer, place head under it and fire it once into the back of your skulll, then when you recover come post on the topic. I'm guessing you might get a scream off too, but it'll be the last thing you do.

    4.)OH I see. Because the seen with massive amounts of chestbursted scientists and soldiers corpses, and the extended dialogue scene with one cocooned character and Ripley explaining a plot point wasn't enough for you to understand that the aliens were capturing people. They needed to do it on screen! Oh and lets not forget all the times guns were found without bodies around, the aliens must've just cleaned up after themselves.

    If anything this was the "smart" queen. In Aliens it always made no sense that they would even care about abducting the marines after they realized the marines are capable of killing 10-20 of them in the attempt. They would either leave them alone or focus only on killing them. I'm not an alien queen, but even I know if I kill 10 drones to make 1 drone I just cost my hive 9 drones. In Aliens Resurrection, the captures were the easy ones to pick off, the deaths were the ones that fought back. Aka the logical and sound choice. But if you prefer the unintelligent version of the aliens, I can point you to the AvP series.

    Seriously I'm not saying it's the best one, but your reasons are so not right it's laughable.
  • Feb 1, 2013 12:38 pm GMT
    julbull73 posted...
    Then you put a french guy in charge of it and you get Ripley and the queen lesbian sex....


    ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!
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    Your precious K/D ratio doesn't mean crap. That and $3 will get you a coffee from Starbucks.
  • Feb 1, 2013 1:04 pm GMT
    julbull73 posted...
    1.) Actually I do. Which is why inside the alien makes no sense. The alien has concentrated sulfuric acid for blood I believe, however any acid of that concentration would dissolve DNA pretty quickly.


    Which means either the acid is a defensive function held only in pouches or the aliens have some sort of method of writing DNA into such structures. Unless you would like to believe aliens have no DNA to speak of.

    It makes far more sense, that the alien is more akin to a virus that constructs itself by hijacking the hosts cells and buildign itself that way. This also makes a far better explanation of why the DNA's mix in the first place and also why they could find some "cells" containing mixed DNA. Also why they position themselves where they do, the central most point in the human body with access to almost all chemical exchange points and types of cells.


    Completely rewriting the entire genetic strain throughout the host instead of simply gathering samples to build on top of itself? Please.

    2.)Yes most of the movie is her cowering in the armored vehicle. Well until she kills more aliens than any other marine (well except for maybe vasquez/drake),


    Four?

    she manages to wipe out an entire clutch of eggs, run away from aliens chasing her,


    What aliens chasing her? There were none there, and all of two protecting the hive with any other probably off still diddling around in Operations.

    then kill the queen solo,


    With a mech.

    and then of course somehow perform a climb up a ladder while the vaccuum of space pulls items 3-5x her weight out with it.

    ...this never happens. The only objects heavier than her which fly out are the loader, which isn't attached to anything and is sitting right next to the door, and the queen, whose grip didn't fail so much as the shoe it was hanging onto.

    She was uber in Aliens.

    So in Aliens she had the prenatural ability to sense where people and things are, bleeds acid, has super-strength, super-reflexes, and super-coordination, very similarly to some character or another in most all of Whedon's works? I'd compare her more to John McClane in Die Hard than Alice in Resident Evil up to that point.

    Lets not forget constructed and carrying a super death gun.

    ...did you just call duct taping two weapons together constructing a super death gun?

    using them all proficiently,

    Barely.

    knowing how to navigate a labrythinine of corridors,

    Which are numbered, labeled, and she has seen maps to.

    3.)You realize you proved my point by posting that the aliens did indeed kill people when they needed to right?

    No. That is not what happened at all. That you got this of of what I said only goes to show how useless discussion with you is. Ignored.
  • Feb 4, 2013 10:58 am GMT
    No. That is not what happened at all. That you got this of of what I said only goes to show how useless discussion with you is. Ignored.


    Wow you got way too excited there... calm down calm down. We're discussing a fictional creature and it's representation in a movie.

    Now back on topic. I apologize if I took this away from civil discourse and made you upset.

    1.)The pouch idea is a decent one, however, in the movies they make it clear the blood is acid. I'm trying to stick to movie canon.

    Also I never said it rewrites the whole code. I'm saying that the "egg" the facehugger implants is a base "incubator" then it acts as a virus and changes the cells coming to and going from it. Which almost all viruses do. They either change the DNA strand in the cell or alter it after it's been made.

    So while, the whole code isn't changed, individual DNA-altered cells could be in the blood stream. This is also supported by the Prometheus version of the "not an alien" alien. The human DNA was changed by the "liquid" as a whole.

    2.)I'll admit it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure she blasts a few more than that. Even four is quite a bit considering very skilled and highly trained marines totaled zero. Also almost all of the plans for "Defence/escape" are hers not any of the marines. Either way she is way above average of the marines.

    With a mech....made for loading/unloading cargo. She also shows martial art level reflexes in dodging the mouth and the tail. For a creature no-ones ever seen before and at this point she's never even seen a drone do these things.

    Also, the queen had a hold of her for at least 10-20 seconds. Hang from a chin-up bar and have some one jump on and grab you, if you are strong you might be ok. If you aren't your down instantly.

    Now the queen appeared to be an equivalent weight to the loader as her weight falling pulls the loader into the airlock. Assume the loader was off balance or the queen got lucky in grabbing the pivot point of the loader, you'd still be talking in the 500-1000lb range. I'd assume the loader is at least the same weight as a standard forklift.

    But even if the queen is only 200+ pounds that's enough to dislocate Ripley's entire arm, assuming she lodged it good enough (however, I believe she's open handed when the queen grabs her and she pulls up to her elbow which is absurd). Not to mention, she then would have to climb up the ladder with a dislocated elbow/shoulder. Then factor in space vaccuum, yeah she just demonstrated hulk like strength there.

    I do think they took to an extreme in Resurrection, but she demonstrated all of those traits previously (well except for acid for blood and the weird psychic thing.)

    Finally, yeah taping a flame thrower and a pulse rifle with a grenade launcher together in such a way that you can hold them and use them together and not get either one to explode. Not block shell ejections (although I think they mentioned the pulse rifle was caseless), not overheat or jam either one, be able to handle/aim, not to mention lifting them.

    For reference a M16 (model the gun was based on) is ~10lbs, and while a standard flame thrower has a tank and the one doesn't you can still assume she's carrying around a 20 lb + weapon that she aims and uses damn well. Damn well meaning, hit something she pointed it at. Most trained soldiers can't even aim that heavy of a gun and just fire in that general direction. She uses very little ammo killing things aside from the "psycho" egg moment.

    Finally, she does have the tracker and sets flares. I'm willing to give her some benefit of a doubt, but it was quite clear the maps/plans are extremely lacking. Line proving the point, "There must be something else, something not in the plans. I don't know." Said by Ripley herself.
  • Feb 4, 2013 10:59 am GMT
    3.)My point is the aliens were split in ressurection as "capturers" or as "killers". We followed the killers, I assume there were others off hunting for new drones. Now, the captain that gets grabbed then, spinal "headbit" did hurt this, but maybe the time taken was too long, so the queen/drone said, "Remove the threat, not worth getting killed over it at this point."


    Also you've made me realize that I need to work on my quoting/html level of effort lol.
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